Votergate: we need just one major domino to fall

[Ugnmoose]

According to a recent DU post, Wayne Madsen is reported to have said that his ongoing investigations reveal a massive but tangled trail of voter fraud. Based on this I would suspect that there are many avenues to explore that can lead us all to the same place. I equate these leads to dominoes all lined up perfectly but moving in mulitple directions at the same time. It will only take one of these dominoes to fall to set off the the whole chain of reactions until they all fall down bringing with them the perpetrator treasonous thieves who are responsible. For those that remember Watergate, that crime is going to look penny ante compared to this one. This is going to be the fricking mother-lode. I only hope and pray that those who have been diligently investigating this fraud can tip the domino. With each passing day, my confidence grows. For all of us who have been writhing in anguish and frustration since the election, we won't have too much longer to wait. This upcoming week will be very telling indeed.

For all you constitutional scholars or wannabes, start dusting off your law books, this one is going to get damn interesting!

[drpdx]

1. I wish I could do more!

It is indeed very frustrating to sit by the sidelines and WAIT for those with the abilities to get this sorted out. Practically unbearable!

[Asa Gordon]

27. "I wish I could do more!"

To learn how Democratic Electors and progressives can challenge the electoral college vote on Jan. 6th without relying on Kerry or any Congressperson to act go to:

http://www.electors.us/

Asa Gordon,
Executive Director, Douglass Institute of Government
http://members.aol.com/digasa/dig.htm
Chair, DC Statehood Greenhood Party Electoral College Task Force
http://www.electors.us/

"Mal-Apportionment Penalty Civil Actions"
Douglass Institute of Government
http://members.aol.com/electorsus/map.htm

"A Color-blind Supreme Court?"
By Asa Gordon, February 2004 print issue of The World & I
http://members.aol.com/dignews/fdonct.htm

[corbett]

2. Right On! That's Why January 20th Won't Happen!

You have a very keen perspective! Kerry will be inaugurated the 44th president but perhaps not on 1/20/2005. Those dusty law book will have to be flexed a bit first. As for which domino falls first (you are correct that we have rows and rows of them from which to choose), I'll allow this piece to speak for me:

http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/KerryPreparingGroundsToUnconcede.htm

Kick for Kerry!

[merh]

7. I see your doubt and read the article you linked

and raise you an article in a thread that may provide you some insight into legal possibilities.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x197273

[phillipw]

18. Here's what you can do!! Go through EIRS data for your area for fraud pat

patterns:
People should go through the EIRS incidence report data in their state and swing states for fraud patterns similar to the default to Bush, and other default patterns seen in RH Phillips Ohio Mahoning County study, http://northnet.org/minstel/alpage.htm Youngstown
and the Florida and New Mexico studies http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

You can find the EIRS data and votersunite.org indidence cases for your area at
http://www.voteprotect.org

and http://www.votersunite.org

go to their indcidents reports section

review or do searches through the cases for indications of fraud patterns

[emlev]

23. This is only useful if people know what to do with what they find

Do you have particular suggestions?

Also, there are many different fraud patterns, and if you look through the EIRS data you may find something other than what's been found by others. Be prepared to go where the data leads you.

[phillipw]

25. You can post to this list and we will see and use it; or contact RH Philli

Phillips at his website if you find something useful
or CommonCause Ohio [e-mail]
or Arnebeck at [e-mail]

[Quakerfriend]

3. Thx for posting Ugnmoose!

I'm getting anxious. I thought that the Curtis testimony would start the process...What do you think...Why hasn't it?

I'm beginning to think that the MSM are much too frightened! Can it be?

[Ugnmoose]

5. Here's my take on Curtis

I think Curtis is just leading us down one path, principally the one that created the Florida fiasco and was probably the birthing place for Votergate 2004. Since it involves a prominent Repuke politician it is very spicy indeed, but it is also why the MSM is treading lightly with it.

I think Curtis will resurface but only after the big dominoes in Ohio start to fall. I think Ohio is the key that will set everything else into motion. However, once things start moving, they will start to accelerate and it will become a media feeding frenzy. Oh how delightful it will be. I love it when the rats start to panic and flee the scene.

[Quakerfriend]

8. I think you are right about things resurfacing

We have been so focused on the details for the past couple of weeks that it all seems so obvious and clear to us. It will take some time to start rumbling!!:bounce:

[IndyOp]

12. Curtis' allegations are getting Feeney to react publicly --

If he reacts publicly, he could slip and reveal more than he intended. People may start to 'get it' -- The Congressman Doth Protest Too Much...

BRAD BLOG: FEENEY ATTORNEY THREATENS HOMETOWN PAPER WITH LEGAL ACTION!
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=194674>

:kick:

[Clark2008]

4. Shouldn't that read "election fraud?"

"Voter fraud" is when the voter does something fradulent. In this case, voters were duped.

Just trying to make sure it doesn't get passed off as a problem with the voting public - they did the right thing and voted against Bush, but their votes weren't counted.

[Fly by night]

6. Here in Tennessee, we're using the phrase "election theft"

[Clark2008]

15. I'm in Tennessee.

:hi:

[Fly by night]

16. Hey there, neighbor

Maybe I should say "here in middle Tennessee". Though with the press coverage that's beginning to build around here, maybe we can make the "F" word and the "T" word interchangeable in the "Orange State".

Hope you got a chance to see my Christmas eve post: "A Nashville holiday gift" describing what we've been doing here in middle Tennessee. (It's dropped down to page 3 now.) Just today (Sunday, 12/26), I was part of an hour long live radio program on election theft that was simul-broadcast on five East Tennessee stations. Hopefully, we'll finalize arrangements tomorrow for our third Gathering To Save Our Democracy next Sunday (1/2/05). By any chance, do you think we could interest John Kerry's campaign guru and our next U.S. Senator, Harold Ford Jr., to join us and speak? (I hope, I hope). We're working to get some veterans from the 60s civil rights movement to show us how it's done. We also hope to do a rousing send-off to Tennesseans heading to Columbus, OH for the 1/3/05 rally. PM me if you think that might be possible, or read and comment on my Christmas eve post. Hope to meet you soon.

[Ugnmoose]

20. I have a direct connection into Harold Ford, Jr.

PM with details and I will see what I can do for us.

[Ugnmoose]

21. Remember it is never the crime...

it is always the coverup that nails them. I say they will work on the lowest level people in Ohio, elections workers and Triad employees to get them to give up Blackwell and friends, who will ultimately lead to the White House and Karl Rove. Whether they can bring Bush and Cheney into this one might take alot more prodding, but it is possible. I suspect they already have people ready to testify with strong evidence of fraud.

[Quakerfriend]

9. Do you think that they'll be evil enough

to "use" the tragic earthquake that's occured in Asia to coverup the election fraud?

[Nothing Without Hope]

10. Callous enough, if sufficiently broad public interest grows

The massively tragic effects of this earthquake are far away from the continental US and involved a lot of people with brown skins and a lack of interest in fundie "Christianity." Will there be enough widespread public interest in this country for the cartel to consider it worth their while to attempt the manipulation you suggest? Ugly implications either way.

[Chipper Chat]

11. Best quote of the year 50BC - "All roads lead to Rome"

Best quote of the year 2005AD - "All roads lead to Rove"

[Dancing_Dave]

13. Backwell is the name of the Domino!

His massive electoral crimes in Ohio against our whole Democracy must be prosecuted! That traitor against Democracy must be sent to prison to give others something to think about!

[McCamy Taylor]

14. nobody is going to jail, Bush will pardon them all

[Pithy Cherub]

17. But no one left to pardon *...

:)

[Jimdish25]

19. The domino theory is a good one, served best when ....

one is under indictment. The loose configuration of true beleivers and tricksters (like the Texas swat team Delay sent to fool voters with fake calls) are the hardest to crack. Kind of like trying to deprogram a cult member, frustrating and unreliable.

The second and more organized group would be the ones who stood to profit from such a venture. This focus is the only one that leads to a real "conspiracy". It's somewhere in that business relationship of the Republican election "machine" that the cracks have to come from. Because of their sloppiness, the election companies have left the obvious anecdotal evidence. Now it's time to flip some insiders. I only wish they were in Connecticut where we have a real A.G. (Dick Blumenthal) to turn up the heat on these scoundrels. Just ask ex-Governor ("Hot-Tub-Johnny") Rowland.

Give us just one victory, and we're on our way!

[newyawker99]

29. Hi Jimdish25!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Unforgiven]

22. Kick

[lonestarnot]

24. Constitutional Crisis... Hope the Constitution Holds true to it's creation

Tyranny of the majority is difficult to overcome, but Constitution is a living breathing document that will hear freedom ring this week. Forefathers anticipated this crisis without element of computer involvement. Could be slippery.

[McCamy Taylor]

26. Has anyone combed the Breaking and entering arrests in Ohio/Florida/Penn?

The police might have accidently arrested someone who was burglarizing another Democratic headquarters or home of a Democratic bigwig not realizing that was what was going on. The police might not interfere if they knew it was GOP political dirty tricks but would definitely step in if they thought it was plain old economic criminal activity. Later, when Important People intervened the Perp would be released, but there would still be an arrest report.

One computer was stolen (sloppy!), how many others were simply turned on in the middle of the night and their contents downloaded onto discs?

Woulnt have to have been apprehended in the Dem headquarters itself, just in the building that houses it.

[Asa Gordon]

28. Votergate: we need just one major domino to fall

To learn how Democratic Electors and progressives can challenge the electoral college vote on Jan. 6th without relying on Kerry or any Congressperson to act go to:

http://www.electors.us/

Asa Gordon,
Executive Director, Douglass Institute of Government
http://members.aol.com/digasa/dig.htm
Chair, DC Statehood Greenhood Party Electoral College Task Force
http://www.electors.us/

"Mal-Apportionment Penalty Civil Actions"
Douglass Institute of Government
http://members.aol.com/electorsus/map.htm

"A Color-blind Supreme Court?"
By Asa Gordon, February 2004 print issue of The World & I
http://members.aol.com/dignews/fdonct.htm

[bmoney07]

30. I've been waiting for a game of Dominoes for almost 60 days now

n/t

[autorank]

31. Where is Madsen?

He came on like gang busters and then seemingly vanished. His DU appearance was well choreographed with the infamous "Jamboi" posting non stop around the clock. Kinda interesting but I wonder what happened to all those claims -- foreign programmers, etc.