Whats the latest on New Mexico Recount? Fraud is clear there-Kerry won

[phillipw]

Anything new of whats going on there??

Why are the Dems there also trying to prevent a recount?

Why don't the Greens/Common Cause/etc. or Dems do a suit like the Arneberck suit in Ohio to overturn the election; without a full recount; looking at a few counties should be enough


fraud documentation:
http://flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[goclark]

1. I don't know. Are they wimps?

[NMDemDist2]

2. didn't I read the state wants 1.4 million to recount?

that's a lot of cash

Meanwhile, the New Mexico Supreme Court declined to hear our petition for a writ of mandamus, upholding a State Canvassing Board decision that Cobb and Libertarian Michael Badnarik pay the full cost of the New Mexico recount in advance (estimated by the Board at $1.4 million). That decision was contrary to New Mexico law, because there is no legal requirement that campaigns pay the full cost in advance, nor any way to accurately estimate the cost of the recount before it is completed.

http://www.votecobb.org/

[politicasista]

3. That's a joke!

Why are the Dems being so silent? Probably to protect their own behinds. This whole election is joke period!

[IowaGuy]

4. Not to be adversarial, but...

how is it that the "Dems" being silent is "protecting their behinds"?

I understand your frustration, I share it too. It seems though, if you are going to get out in front on this, we need something more than supposition, no matter how well reasoned it is.

There does seem to be a lot of smoke here with the alleged fraud and obvious mismanagement (to put a kind spin on it) from election officials. We are going to have to actually see the flames though in order to fight this, being impatient does not make the smoke clear any faster.

[phillipw]

14. Have you checked the EIRS data for Iowa, for fraud patterns- Iowa was clos

have you checked the election incident report data at
www.voteprotect.org for fraud patterns in Iowa

electronic machines votes switching from Kerry to Bush or something else
Someone should do this?

[IowaGuy]

16. Yeah, I've kind of cruised through their incident reports...

maybe a few dirty tricks here and there, inconclusive evidence, nothing that strikes me as widespread fraud or any monkeying with the actual vote count in Iowa. Doesn't mean it couldn't of happened, I just don't see any real evidence of it.

Would have been kind of tough for the Repugs to actually pull off, what with the generally consistent ethos and culture from both sides here in Iowa re: running a fair election, on top of it was a Dem, Chet Culver, who's a good guy, running the election.

Most of the incidents (only 36 reported statewide) were prior to election regarding registering, absentee ballots, etc....pretty normal stuff for any election. The reality is we Dems just did not do enough to combat the effects of the fundies in the west and the huge financial outlay in ngative advertising that blitzed our state from the Repugs and their associates in crime. I shall go to my grave wondering what else I could have done.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. By how many votes did Kerry win?

:shrug:

[berniew1]

19. Official result put Bush ahead by 6,000; but lots of fraud and problems ob

obvious in the posted threads

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. 6000 votes of fraud?

:shrug:

[MissBrooks]

6. Frustrating

I am really frustrated about the inactivity of the Dems.
Where is everyone?
Why are they waiting?

We can't do it all ourselves!

[zbdent]

13. A thought just occurred to me as to why the Dems are silent

Remember, in 2000, we were the "party of the whining sore losers trying to steal the election in the courts".

So, the Dems are keeping quiet.

Until January 3, 2005.

When they count the Electoral votes.

In Congress.

On the "boring political channels" THAT NOBODY REALLY WATCHES!

Ergo, we will not be losing the battle in the "court of public opinion" by "appearing as a bunch of sore losers who can't stay out of the courts to try to steal the election".

When the electoral votes are counted, then, hopefully, at least one senator will join with the protesting House Dems and sign the document, unlike the appeasers did in January 2001.

[mdb]

15. It's not over when an objection is signed.

Both houses of Congress have to agree to the objections to the electoral vote that are signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

If both houses do agree, the objection stands and the disputed votes are not counted.

If after the objections dealt with, no candidate has a majority (now 270) of electoral votes, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that the House and Senate must choose the president and vice president under a procedure formally called a "Contingent Election."

In the Contingent Election, the House chooses the president while the Senate chooses the vice president.

In the House, votes for president are cast by state, with each state getting one vote. A simple majority -- 26 states -- wins.

In the Senate, the vote for vice president is taken member-by-member. A majority -- 51 Senators -- wins.

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Now what is the scenario?

[dzika]

7. Update posted on 12/25

The Democracy for New Mexico site published this yesterday:

The latest twists in this story of Gov. Richardson's refusal to follow the law, in collusion with Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Griron and other high-ranking Democrats, is revealed in a 12/24 Albuquerque Journal story detailing a high percentage of so-called overvotes and "phantom" votes in New Mexico.
(see: http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/278376elex12-24-04.htm)

http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/democracy_for_new_mexico/2004/12/recap_on_nm_rec.html

They also suggest checking out Claude's Diary on Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/24/154944/47

[IndyOp]

18. Good deal!

I did not know that DFA was this involved --

:bounce:

[proudbluestater]

8. Seriously, I read on the Internets that the DEMOCRATIC

governor, Bill Richardson is obstructing progress on this! That, to me, is inexplicable! I'll Google it up and post a source if I can.

Best info is on Dailykos. Also found some info on Bellacio.com. I thought at one time Richardson was one of the rising stars of the party. Something must not have gone his way.

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. Well, of course he is.

How else is he going to get on the ticket with Hillary in '08?

:eyes: sigh

[mdb]

10. I understand

Kerry could be donating his excess presidential campaign cash to help Democratic candidates in the future.

I can see how this will help them in the future. But what about right now?

Help in New Mexico is needed right now. I think if you were to ask campaign contributers what they would want Kerry to do with this excess money, it would be to either spend it on this Presidency or donate to the next election. Should we ask Kerry to ask us all what we would prefer?

Most all who donated would prefer using this money on it's intended purpose. That is to put the right person in office by counting all the votes in THIS election.

All we can ask is for JFK to do the right thing.

[Carolab]

12. I agree

we should contact the DNC and Kerry to ask for them to fund New Mexico.

[Peace Patriot]

11. It's called protecting your little fiefdom.

We have to beware of this, and also of the country's Left getting fractured ("circular firing squad") before the Election Fraud fight is over. Although grass roots and progressive groups allied with the Dem leadership to oust Bush (and succeeded wonderfully, if the truth were known), the Dems were guilty of catastrophic failure of leadership on electronic voting (Republican-owned secret source code, paperless voting--jeez!) And I think this had to do with porkbarrel (HAVA money), corruption (Diebold spending zillions wining and dining election officials of both parties), living in the DC "bubble" of the rich and the powerful (or being a wannabe), and also ignorance and lack of attention. Even if Tom Delay wanted to set it up for fraud (which he clearly did) and blocked efforts of Dems at a transparent election, they should have screamed bloody murder about this, and should have shut down Capitol Hill until it was changed. And at the very least, they should have warned voters and volunteers.

Also, the vote suppression against black voters in Ohio and Florida was a disgrace to this nation. Why aren't the Dems saying so? Why aren't they on every news program in the MSM yelling about this?

With a fascist coup coming down, some Dems may think they can circle the wagons and protect their little kingdoms. Very foolish. Dems should be united on this stolen election--strength in numbers. I am appalled, but not very surprised, that some refuse to see the absolute, fundamental importance of this matter. Gov. Richardson deserves to lose his office for requiring that much money from the Greens, who are carrying the load in Ohio, too. It's truly disgusting.

Maybe think of it this way: This is our moment to separate "the wheat from the chaff"--which Dems are worthy of our support and which are not? I think we should spend our time right now on those who are worthy--getting them on board, bolstering them with support--because there is a hard deadline in the immediate future (Jan. 6)--and take names and deal out the consequences later.

[GetTheRightVote]

17. The whole NM elections is starting to really smell, badly too

Time to take out the garbage it seems.

:grr:

[berniew1]

20. Anyone heard anything new on the recount? What are plans?

[proudbluestater]

21. Update of sorts on Richardson

Mock the Vote
By Blair Bobier, Common Dreams

Some people just have no respect for the law these days. Unfortunately, they happen to be in charge of our elections.

Ohio’s Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell and New Mexico’s Democratic Governor Bill Richardson are two elected officials who seem to care little for the laws governing elections or the people who put them in office. Both Ohio and New Mexico had more than their share of problems on Election Day—problems with electronic voting machines, problems with provisional and absentee ballots and, in Ohio, numerous allegations of racially-based voter suppression and intimidation. That’s why Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb has demanded a recount in these two states.

You’d think that public servants—responsible for administering elections and sworn to uphold the law—would want to get to the bottom of these allegations.

You’d be wrong.

While much attention has been focused on Mr. Blackwell, as the Katharine Harris clone of 2004, Governor Richardson has also done his utmost to delay and obstruct the initiation of a duly requested recount in New Mexico. The fate of the New Mexico recount is now up in the air after that state’s Supreme Court declined to force Richardson and the state canvassing board to follow New Mexico law and get the recount started immediately.

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1349&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. WTF is he doing THAT for???!!!

What is going on behind closed doors?? Man, this shit has got to stop! We need to purge the Dem elites and get them the hell out of office. I'm so sick of this. People are working their asses off to save our Democracy and Richardson is pulling that crap? :wtf:

[Niche]

23. Upped fee to 1.4mil... got email from Greens that they are...

hoping to take it to S. Court.

[dzika]

24. Cobb Considering Federal Appeal?

This page says that Cobb is considering an appeal.
http://www.augustafreepress.com/stories/storyReader$30133

Is this option still open?