Blackwell blocks precinct books viewing until AFTER Jan. 6th

[Imagevision]

The new Champaign County report describes how the precinct signature book, necessary to verify that the number of votes that were cast, will not be made available to recount observers until after January 10, per orders of Kenneth Blackwell (Secretary of State) (and, of course, Congress convenes on January 6 to receive the Electoral College votes, so irregularities discovered after that date are old news).
http://www.votecobb.org/

[SharonRB]

1. Can he legally do this -- during a recount? n/t

[benburch]

4. No. Not legally.

He is in violation of both federal and Ohio law.

Somebody needs to arrest him.

[SharonRB]

8. That's what I thought

For someone who claims that there was no hanky panky, he's doing a good job of trying to hide something.

[shance]

16. So call a press conference, send in police,lawyers and MAKE it happen

I can't believe we'd even think of taking no for an answer!

[me b zola]

23. I place the bastid under citizens arrest.

But seriously, WHY hasn't he been arrested??

[eowyn_of_rohan]

29. Who can have him arrested?

We've been talking about this for a month, almost :shrug: How many laws has he broken in that time, or how many times has he broken the same law(s)? He has NO RIGHT TO GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!

[bunny planet]

71. We need a lawyer to help us. Can't someone in Ohio do a citizen's arrest

if he's breaking the law? Oldleftielawyer where are you? Kenneth Cruella de Harris Wormtongue Blackwell must be arrested for breaking the law! There must be a way. He is in blatant disregard of Ohio law for like, the third or fourth time. Isn't someone else legally accountable if they let him get away with breaking the law? Can't that person or persons be pressured? This so sucks. HELP!

[Amaryllis]

24. They seem to operate entirely outside the law and get away with it. n/t

[ailsagirl]

60. Yes, hasn't Katherine committed a number of illegal acts and

nothing is being done about it??

I didn't realize being SOS meant that one is above the law?? Or it it just in Ohio and Florida??

[Amaryllis]

67. Something was done. She was rewarded with a senate seat.

[Carolab]

76. House seat n/t

[ailsagirl]

81. Right-- I meant Keith "Katherine" Blackwell...

[ailsagirl]

83. I mean "Kenneth" not "Keith"

[KansDem]

80. Remember the GOP "rent-a-mob" that shut down the Florida recount?

A recount that was legal and ordered by the FL Supreme Count (IIRC)?


http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blfloridagopmob.htm

I have often wondered why THEY weren't arrested...

[robbedvoter]

2. Next time, remember: fraud cancels an elections! REVOTE, not haggle

with thugs.

[BattyDem]

20. DU to Ukraine

:toast:

PS - Maybe you can give us a few pointers ...

[IndyOp]

49. The crowds in Ukraine protests were prepared before the election...

with major donations from the US. I saw one estimate of about $40 million poured into Ukraine by the International arms of the Democratic and Republican parties. Sizeable amounts were used before the election to plan for and talk up protests to happen immediately after the election if there was maybe, kind of, sort of any evidence of fraud that someone might someday find.

We had the Nov3 group that promised a response after the election if there was evidence of fraud -- it, of course, had nearly no funding and they waited several weeks for evidence to build. I think they are helping with the Jan 6th events in Washington.

My point is that we should want to emulate the Ukrainians, but that we ought not beat up on ourselves (or others) who haven't taken to the US streets in the millions.

:kick:

[Stand and Fight]

3. I think I am going to be ill...

What the hell is going on? Do people in Ohio have their fucking heads in the sand?

:puke:

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[Webster Green]

10. Eh? (n/t)

[txindy]

13. Try, again.

During a recount, it certainly is. When wouldn't it be?

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[me b zola]

33. Have the books been available at ANY time

since the election?

[txindy]

34. No. Try, again. This time use more than one sentence in the subject line.

Try typing in the message box, too.

Besides, even if the recount is over, the books are public records. We may view them whenever we like. So, why is it illegal? It isn't. Not now. Not ever. Try, again.

[TexasChick]

37. It can't txindy. Looks like this Freeptard has bit the dust. Check out

its profile:

[txindy]

41. Well, now. That may be a mod record!

I'm impressed. And slightly disappointed. :evilgrin:

These disruptors get more pitiful every day, don't they?

[TexasChick]

44. It's more like pitiful and desperate! Gee, Freepers, if you're gonna be

disruptors, be creative for Heaven's sake!

:boring:

[ailsagirl]

61. Creative?? Those people don't have an original thought in

their tiny little brains!! They wouldn't know "creative" if it bit them on the ass!!

[merh]

17. Please enlighten us . . .

Why can you say with such emotion that it is not illegal? Share the information you have or a link to your source OR STFU!

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[me b zola]

25. Will you be joining him in wearing an orange jumpsuit?

n/t

[Darkhawk32]

27. Well then, what are you hiding?

Mr. "Ad Asst"?

[Stand and Fight]

28. Oh bug off already!

You make me :puke:

[KittyWampus]

30. Then You're Most Likely Complicit. Hope You Consider Testifying Against

him... when the time comes.

It's called 'Doing the Right Thing'.

This isn't a fucking football game. It's an Election in a Democracy.

[Boswells_Johnson]

31. LOL...and I'm his proctologist.

[BattyDem]

48. Next time he visits ...

could you shove a Diebold machine up his ass? :P

[buddysmellgood]

51. Ha! Lol.

[Boswells_Johnson]

79. I'll see what I can do, but pulling an election out of his ass has

caused him some discomfort:)

[SharonRB]

32. If that's true...

...what are you doing here besides trolling?

[txindy]

36. His "ad asst" can't punctuate properly? That explains a great deal.

:eyes:

Puh-leaze tell us you're kidding.

[TexasChick]

39. LOL! n/t

[merh]

38. Okay ad assistant, what law says Blackwell can withhold the books

impress me with your knowledge, back up your position with some real law.

[The Straight Story]

53. Out of curiosity, do we have the law reference that say's he can't?

Cause I would like to cite it in some emails I will be sending today on this. Not trying to be nit-picking, I just want to build a case and use that in phone calls and emails to local media and reps.

This needs media play, asap. So far our media has sucked completely on this, let's hope this week someone with some damn balls breaks it wide open.

[merh]

56. Go to Conyer's letter (12/15) to the FBI - I believe he sites the

law in his letter.

[The Straight Story]

57. Thank You! (n/t)

[me b zola]

43. You sound so pleased with yourself

How does it feel to subvert the Constitution, the American people's will?
I have worked quite a bit with the elderly in the final years of their lives. EVERYONE reviews their life, thinking about how they have lived it, things they would do over, things they would do differently. NEVER has ANY of the hundreds of people that I have worked with remembered a wrong deed with fondness. I have spent many an hour comforting those whose regrets make them fear their death/maker (God).
I would pity you, but I have no time for you since my heart is breaking for America.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

6. You have got to be kidding me!

Does this restriction apply only to Champaign County, or to all 88 Ohio counties?

The media need to latch onto this. It is clearly behavior designed to hide evidence of wrongdoing.

[bmoney07]

7. Wow I'm suprised - Fuckwell blocking the voting/recount process

this guy needs his skull cracked with a baseball bat.

[Webster Green]

9. Gee Katherine, what are you afraid of? (n/t)

[warrior1]

12. we zig

they zag.

You know all of these thugs have been 15 steps ahead of us before the game even started. They've buried the bodies and we can't even find the stink.

[mousie]

11. This man is evil...

writes his own laws it seems,and gets away with it? I hope not! Can he? I mean, could it be more obvious that the guy is definitely part of the evil plot here! On the other hand, it is only more and more assuring that he sure does have a LOT to hide! I hope he cannot get away with this stuff, the things he pulls are just too amazing.

[impeachthescoundrel]

21. Keep it up Katherine

Keep digging that deep grave for yourself and your vote robbing cronies. You just made my day.

[me b zola]

46. Just remember that it wasn't Nixon who went to prison

it was his knucklehead minions who did his evil deeds for him:evilgrin:

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. Ha!

"Keep digging that grave for yourself and your vote robbing cronies." He'll be rewarded for his vote robbing tactics, just like his counter part in Florida was. :mad:

[buddysmellgood]

59. Amen. I think this is great news. In fact, I think Blackwell is crying out

for help. I think he has seen the error of his ways and desperately wants someone to save him. He is committing more and more outrageous crimes hoping someone will stop him. Only a congress of criminals could accept a crooked election like 2004.

[pick_a_dilly]

14. [phone] toll free # to mr blackheart . . .

i just left him a message . . .

YOU CAN TOO . . . it's fun!

[phone]

[phone]

[progressoid]

45. How about the number for the Ohio Atty General instead?

And don't tell me (s)he's a republican.

[The Doctor.]

55. Jim Petro is indeed a Republican...

http://www.thelantern.com/news/2002/11/06/Campus/Petro.Wins.Attorney.General-316123.shtml

But that doesn't mean you can't call him.

http://www.ag.state.oh.us/index.asp

[lonestarnot]

15. How is he getting away with this shit?

[KaryninMiami]

18. Maybe a few hundred emails to Keith O would make sense now?

Perhaps he can schedule an on-air interview with Katherine Blackwell to ask what it is he is afraid of showing to the world? After all, if he is not hiding anything, then all of this information should be part of the recount proceedings. Otherwise, I'd say that he is indeed hiding something and the American public. Any other ideas on how we can spread the word about this absurd decision?

How about using one of those email blasters to send notes to all of those mainstream media contacts to let them know about this?

Any other ideas? I really believe that this needs to get out to the public and to the media (for whatever that's worth).

[Imagevision]

Bush & Rove feeling the heat...and act accordingly!-- what else is new?

[Turn CO Blue]

26. Media contact for Ohio Election law:

Professor S. Candice Hoke
Associate Professor of Law
<http://www.law.csuohio.edu/faculty/hoke/>


J.D., Yale Law School
M.A. expected, University of Chicago, Graduate Faculty of Political Science
B.A., Hollins College

Professor Hoke specializes in the constitutional law governing legal relations between the federal and state governments, including in such regulatory areas as election law, welfare and public assistance programs, health/medical insurance, and employment law. She has served as a pro bono consultant to the US Senate Judiciary Committee and to the White House. Pertinent for the 2004 Ohio election litigation, Professor Hoke was an observer of many polling places in Cuyahoga County and personally witnessed poll workers issuing erroneous instructions to provisional ballot voters. Previously, Prof. Hoke taught law at the University of Pittsburgh and Case Western Reserve University law schools, litigated for both corporate and public interest firms, and served as a federal appellate law clerk. Her published work on constitutional and regulatory federalism issues is widely cited, and she serves as a media consultant on issues including the election law applicable in Ohio's 2004 election. Prof. Hoke was present at Cuyahoga County polling places on November 2, 2004, and personally witnessed poll workers giving voters erroneous instructions on how to complete provisional ballots.

_________________________________

I'll be stuck at work the rest of the day - so please somebody email her for me and ask her if Blackwell's NOT ALLOWING the signature books to be available during a recount is legal or not...


her email is on the link above

[EMunster]

35. No one seems to HAVE A CLUE as to what EFFECTIVE immediate action

s possible....that he's violating the law seems clear. But apparently no one is inclined to do anything about it. Another law suit I suppose?

Isn't there anything or any entity that's going to make him follow the law? Or throw him into jail before 2007?

[KoKo]

42. If it's illegal why don't the lawyers know what to do about it???

Same thing with New Mexico recount. According to Cobb Website, asking for the 1.5 mil. for recount is illegal...but what to do about it? Shouldn't govenor Richardson intervene in New Mexico? But, how can he intervene with his state Supreme Court who refused to allow the recount to go forward?

It says it has to be taken to the US Supreme Court which will then in turn refuse to hear it...Yet if it's against state law WHO has jurisdiction in NM? Kerry will have to intervene in New Mexico just as Gore's lawyers did in Florida. Will he be willing to do that, given that Richardson is a fellow Dem?

It's all very complicated and seems that we aren't getting the help we need in time to do anything? :eyes:

[Pacifist Patriot]

69. Add me to the list of people who don't understand.

If an action is illegal it would seem to require an immediate legal response. Criminal or civil? *shrug*

[Pithy Cherub]

40. Blackwell is A 21st century robber baron of democracy.

This actually heavily taints * because if it was legit he would open everything up to inspection.

[Karenca]

47. oh man

fuck this.

are we screwed or what?
I am getting so depressed.

[fooj]

52. Please don't let them get to you...

that's their plan!!! They want to frustrate and discourage us from moving forward. But we have STRENGTH in numbers and they don't know what they are up against! They are so self-consumed that they have completely dismissed the indomitable strength of the American Spirit! Have Faith! PEACE!
:)

[Karenca]

63. Thanks fooj.. I may get depressed, but I'll NEVER give up :)) eom

[madison2000]

54. Rove has got to be pressuring Blackwell to resist in every way possible

The White House has to know what is going on and this is part of their strategy. They don't give a flying *&#@! what the law says. They think that they OWN THE LAW!!!

[fooj]

75. Good point! However,

I sincerely believe that they have seriously miscalculated and dismissed the indominable strength of the American Spirit! Oops!!!:)

[Amaryllis]

77. Thank you. I am feeling discouraged...

[Vektor]

58. Ick

BlackHELL needs to be tarred and feathered.

[Higans]

62. He should be sued under thease grounds:

Taken from: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

There are several important considerations you should be aware of with respect to this matter. First, this course of conduct would appear to violate several provisions of federal law, in addition to the constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process. 42 U.S.C. §1973 provides for criminal penalties against any person who, in any election for federal office, "knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by . . . the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held." 42 U.S.C. § 1974 also requires the retention and preservation, for a period of twenty-two months from the date of a federal election, of all voting records and papers and makes it a felony for any person to "willfully steal, destroy, conceal, mutilate, or alter" any such record. Further, any tampering with ballots and/or election machinery would violate the constitutional rights of all citizens to vote and have their votes properly counted, as guaranteed by the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

http://colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/9777/inde...

[Amaryllis]

78. What good are lawsuits if they go before a rigged court? I am feeling so

FRUSTRATED!!!!

[livvy]

64. I thought this part was interesting from the link.

In Van Wert County, for example, our observer reported:

"When asked if Triad had serviced the machine, the deputy director and a board member stated that they had serviced the machine over the phone via modem on December 9th."

Doesn't this prove that they have distance access to the machines? If they can service the machine over the phone, what else can they do over...the...phone?:think:

[Karenca]

66. they could do like bill o'lielly and have a sex abuse conversation......

just kidding.

That IS very interesting....

[livvy]

70. They could virtually loofah the machine. LOL

[Imagevision]

65. Diversion time!--New OBL tape: pre-emptive news diversion for the MSM?

They've given up on the raise the color code scheme of things -- the proverbial sh*t is about to hit the fan!

[Imagevision]

68. Lets all send the Cobb link to Olbermann now!

http://www.votecobb.org /

[Karenca]

72. YES!!!!!! LETS DO THAT!!!!

Everyone, please??

[Imagevision]

73. Done!

[Alizaryn]

74. A bolt of lightning needs to strike that man down.

One can only hope.......

[in_cog_ni_to]

82. ARREST HIS ASS!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!

He's breaking the law and we can't let him get away with it!!! WHO is going to arrest him??? How can we do this???? :grr:

[rumpel]

84. He obviously believes he is above law, as long he is with the

the adminsitration

[GetTheRightVote]

85. I find that strange when Allen County told us recounters that we could

have them this week for our own recounts from the area. I am surprised to hear this fact, really I am, I will have to phone my contacts over there tomorrow and see what is going on with that ??

:kick: