Arnebeck suit NOT THE SAME as the Green/Lib/Kerry suit

[WilliamPitt]

OK, I lied. One last.

Arnebeck's suit was filed before the Ohio Supreme Court, and was intended to go after the Electors and get Kerry into the Oval.

Kerry filed with the Green/Libertarian Party suit to get a recount in Federal court.

Two separate cases, but with some of the same people involved. Jon Bonifaz, for one, is working both.

Important distinction

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. I wish I had your sources.

Or a phone extension line from your place. ;-)

[KoKo]

4. You Lied? WHAT? Could you run that buy one more time for the "clueless"

like me...what lie?? :eyes:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. He lied when...

He said his previous post was his last post. That's all.

[WilliamPitt]

9. No, I lied about everything

There is no Kerry filing. Kerry is, in fact, Karl Rove in a rubber suit with stilts in the legs. It's so obvious. You think that hair is *real*?

MWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. Rubber? RUBBER!!!

The kinky, kinky BAHSTAHD!!!

I knew that man had klyster on the breath, the minute I saw him.

[seito]

23. I KNEW IT

Will, you are an evil fiend

[SueZhope]

28. LOL that is not a very attractive visual n/t

[delphine]

34. Okay, now I really am

in love Will.

LOL!!!

Is this like Mission Impossible? Where the short guy puts on a rubber mask and is suddenly taller and his head is bigger and he has a different voice?

[anamandujano]

38. And your name is really Brad?

pretty please

[bear425]

6. It's only that he said his last post would be his last for the night

no biggy. He just realized he had more to say tonight is all. Okay?

[GetTheRightVote]

2. Why would Kerry sign up on one but not the other ??

Reasons please.

:bounce:

Perhaps does not want to look like grabbing for Oval Office ??

[WilliamPitt]

3. One case is stronger than the other, and in Federal Court

so the judges are appointed for life and not politicians who have to run for their seat. Less politics.

[GetTheRightVote]

8. When can we expect to hear anything concerning them ??

Praying, just Praying.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. That's IT young man!!

Turn off that computer and get to bed! LOL!

Thanks for shuttin up them chickens! :7

[Amaryllis]

26. Hiya Viva. Lotsa stuff coming down today.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

30. So I see!

I checked the board at 5, everytbing was fine.....
By 6 everyone had gone batty!! Thank Jeebus for Will, otherwise this could have gone on for hours!!

How ya doing? Me<---- going crazy at work!

[troubleinwinter]

18. Ahhh.... that is interesting! Damn... I learnt sumthin else new!

Thanks. I have something new to mull.

[Carolab]

7. Okay, now I AM confused

I thought there were three cases. That Bonifaz was working on a third, unrelated to Arnebeck's. Guess not.

[read the law first]

37. There are at least FOUR suits

One in Federal Court in the Northern District of Ohio
One in Federal Court in the Southern District of Ohio
Two in the Ohio Supreme Court (the two Arnebecks)

I've got a total of four going so far.

[mousie]

10. I just don't get

with all this going on, how ANYone from the Kerry camp could make a statement like "there was no fraud, the election is over, Bush won."

[WilliamPitt]

12. They don't sit in this forum all day

[delphine]

35. Even so, they are sort of involved with the issue, and there's no

shortage of information from complete tin foil hat to videos of people waiting in the rain for hours only to be turned away at the polls.

Something went wrong, and whether it was fraud or incompetence it could very well have a real effect on the outcome.

[Up2Late]

11. Where do you get this stuff?

Lexus/Nexus? I'd like to have those, but that cost to much casual non-work related searches B-)

[WilliamPitt]

15. I talk to the people involved

and really, just read the stories. The fact that one case is in the Ohio SC and the other is in the Federal means they are two different cases.

[KittyWampus]

24. Oooo! INDUCTIVE REASONING.

Awesome.

[lonestarnot]

14. Love you William Pitt and how's that Hairy Bastard!

Bet his tailed fuzzed out when he heard of everyone here wigging out.
I think it has been a fantastic day and I am going to retire with a smile on my face in preparation for tomorrow's events. Thank you and thank you again for all of your outstanding effort in the name of freedom and democracy!

[WilliamPitt]

17. He's sacked out on the couch

and hogging the covers. Bastid.

[GetTheRightVote]

25. another thread mentioned not filing lawsuit but putting in motion

what is the difference between the two factors ??

Just Curious.

[WilliamPitt]

27. Read

"The filing by the Kerry/Edwards campaign is significant. The Yost matter deals with a recount of the votes cast in Ohio during the election. In order for a judge to consider such a motion, the plaintiff must be able to prove irreparable harm in the matter at hand, and must also be able to prove a significant chance that the case will succeed on the merits. The stumbling point for the Green Party and Libertarian Party in this matter has been the ability to prove that potential for success, because no recount would deliver an Ohio victory to them. A recount could very well deliver Ohio to Kerry, thus fulfilling the success on the merits requirement.

In the end, this filing amounts to a "Me, too" from the Kerry/Edwards campaign. This case would not exist in any form without the dedicated efforts of Green Party candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik. Though the inclusion of Kerry into this matter strengthens the case significantly, Cobb and Badnarik deserve the lion's share of credit for carrying the matter to this point."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122804V.shtml

[read the law first]

39. It depends on what "filing" means

They're confused about the word "filing." They think it only means filing a lawsuit but actually one files a motion as well. Anything that you hand to the clerk of the court which is stamped in as filed is "filed." Some people joke that if it's in the proper format the clerk will "file" a restaurant menu (it's just a joke).

Answer: You don't just file suits. Anything that you give to the clerk that is stamped in is "filed."

[delphine]

36. Achooo! Scuze me.

[GetTheRightVote]

19. I too am happy to end the day on a more positive note .....

I have been so worried, it will be nice to have this all work out for the best of all involved, of course this means with * and Co. not of our house on Capital Hill.

:kick:

[Doctor O]

20. What is the federal lawsuit for a recount? I am only aware of the motions

which are requests to the court for discovery and preservation of evidence.
If you are referring to the Delaware case, it was settled.

[read the law first]

40. That's news to me, how was the Delaware suit settled?

Last I heard motion denied for preliminary injunctions, etc. denied, Ohio Pukes had a motion to intervene, and the case was very much alive.

What were the terms of the settlement if you know and if you can say?

[WebeBlue]

21. Giggle..I was gonna say Hey Will you lied..not your last post for tonite..

but you said it yourself, so I didn't need to say it again, but I did. Tx for staying on top of the chicken coop, feathers flying every which way. Skitterish cats here, and you're doing a good job of herding.

[understandinglife]

22. Hey Will; why rest? We're living through something that all kinds...

...of graduate students, professors, pundits, ....., will be writing about for the next 100 years, or more!!!

And, as to all the 'dimensions' of how folk are responding, as you know, it's totally to be expected. It's called chaos and it's going to get even more chaotic as 200+ million of our fellow citizens awaken to the realization that someone is stealing their democracy.

Coupled with all the good news Shrub has been generating since 3 Nov 2004 and the next 10-20 days are going to be like a civics class with 200+ million third graders and very few seasoned, reasoned teachers (Kerry, Byrd, Conyers, Carter, Jackson being among the best, for sure).

It's gonna be wild.

Good wine, good food, lot's of water and good exercise, plus an occasional nap is my protocol for not missing a moment of the greatest Constitutional-awareness event in the history of America.

Peace.

[senseandsensibility]

29. Wow!

I need some of what you're drinking. And I don't mean that in a bad way.:-)

[understandinglife]

31. Just now, it's an Andrew Will 2000 Klipsun Vineyard Merlot ;-)

Peace.

[senseandsensibility]

32. OK

That explains it. I'm on my third Sam Adam's Winter Lager. Obviously not having the same effect. Cheers.:toast:

[anamandujano]

41. As long as you stay cheerful and optimistic,

I think I'll be okay. You're one of my barometers.

[understandinglife]

45. Thank you & my optimism is firmly rooted in the fact that...

....most thinking folk in the Nation are piss'd in an unprecedented way with the ostensible inauguree and that's before they all "attend" an equally unprecedented 'civics class' on 6 Jan 2005.

By the time all our fellow citizens take a break for recess on 6 Jan 2005, shrub might be skedaddling to his bunker in crawford and someone should be sure to not let rove and cheney leave the country.:evilgrin:

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[housewolf]

33. DUers - You guys are THE GREATEST!!!!

I haven't laughed so hard in ages as I've laughed tonight!

Thank you, all of you, for your commitment, persistence and good humor. I'd be in the dumps if it weren't for you.

:toast:

[Dancing_Dave]

42. If Kerry really intended to contest the election, he would back Arnebeck

Because that's the one that could actually counter all the disenfranchizement and fraud the Repukes used to steal the Ohio presidential race.

If Kerry doesn't back Arnebeck, we know he has absolutely no intention of contesting the 2004 election in a way that could actually overturn it.

That's exactly how it looks now. I would be happy to be proven wrong in the next few days, but EVERYTHING up to now has pointed in that direction.

Any symbolic moves he makes to the contest the election will probably only be done to prevent a mass exodus of black voters from the Democratic Party.

[WilliamPitt]

44. Not necessarily true

Each case has their own strengths and weaknesses. The judge may decide Arnebeck has no standing to file and toss the case.

[WilliamPitt]

43. .

[bunny planet]

46. I know that.