Prediction: Bush will be inaugurated in Jan......however

[Cheswick2.0]

He will leave office in disgrace much like Nixon did. It won't be because of the efforts of Kerry/Edwards or the DNC. He will leave office in disgrace because his fraud will finally be exposed through the efforts of people like Conyers et al...who are finally so fed up they refuse to give in. Eventually even republicans will be happy to get rid of him and his rotten economy, so they will join in the fight and allow him to be exposed.

When that happens there will be a crisis, but I do not see Kerry becoming President. Instead we will likely get Hastert or some other pasty faced fascist (though one who is chastened and afraid to govern to far to the right)

DU, the blogs, PDA, DFA and the Progressive community in general (greens and indies) will put our democratic politicians to shame until they finally decide to jump out in front and decide they are leading. But we will remember who stood in the senate and congress and declared the election fraudulent regardless of the outcome of their actions. Those people will win our everlasting gratitude and support.

[molly]

1. 49% approval and falling - how many that voted for the idiot

are now sorry and ashamed? I predict that history will soon be rewritten.

[whometense]

9. I'd still like to know

how many actually did vote for that idiot.

[Ilsa]

11. I think too many of them drank the koolaid and believe

that this incompetent Fraud is "keeping us safe". They are a stubborn bunch and refuse to admit that voting for him was wrong or detrimental to their own best interests.

I wish everything optimistic being said in this thread was true, but I don't hold much hope for people moving out of denial.

[Cheswick2.0]

14. the people won't ...the politicians will

Do you remmember WaterGate? There were a ton of people who simply refused to see that Nixon did anything wrong. But the congress and the senate knew and his advisors knew it was over eventually.

Regular people.. they just kept saying the only thing he did wrong was get caught.

[Arbustosux]

15. That was back when

politicians first loyalty wasn't to their party and the media actually reported crimes as they should

[Warren Stupidity]

16. there was this little difference back then...

Congress was Democratic and the committees investigating watergate, with subpoena power and all, were run by Democrats. It is an exercise in wishful thinking, and our perpetually mistaken belief that our enemies share our values with respect to honesty and integrity, that somehow the shitheads in congress will suddenly do an about face and evict their fearless leader. He would have to be found in bed with a juvenile male baboon before this would happen. Even then I suspect that somehow Clinton would be held responsible.

[aquart]

30. I don't believe they voted for him.

The Miracle of the Religious Bigots was just a cover story.

[bush_is_wacko]

13. This number is just as subject to scrutiny as the election numbers!

I think it's likely quite a bit lower. Remember this is a MSM number.

[valis]

27. Still too many!!!!

[jmannatl]

2. "his rotten economy"

Good points, although the economy isn't rotten to those who would have the means to remove him. Just a thought.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

6. Welcome to DU, jmannatl...great observation.

Sickening and unfortunate observation, but a very accurate one. In order for Bush to be removed from power, the people in his own party who are "lining up to take the reins"...like Bill "Cat Killer" Frist, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani...would have to believe that the party would be SO damaged by Bush's incompetence that it would ruin THEIR ambitions, too.

Karl Rove would have to believe that there would be SUCH a stain on the GOP that he couldn't maneuver ANYONE into the position.

Of course, that COULD happen...but the GOP will have to devour its own.

:toast:

[loudsue]

42. How could bush "ruin" any other GOPer's Ambitions? They own the machines

that count the votes. Not ONE....NOT ONE repuke neocon is "worried".....because Diebold and ES&S and Triad will keep putting them in office as long as we don't correct the voting machine fiasco!

:kick::kick:

[Cheswick2.0]

7. I think it is rotten for them too......... the ones with vision

They can see the writing on the wall. They can see the European union growing stronger. As stupid as I think the republican mindset is about most things political, there are decent human beings amoung their ranks and I don't think they want to see this country fall behind and fall apart. Congress has the ultimate power, it's just that they don't often have the guts to use that power.

[lonestarnot]

3. Well for sure not giving up even when the freak takes the lie of office

[Darkhawk32]

4. You can already see signs that Republicans are starting to distance....

themselves from Bush. It didn't even take two years (after 2006 elections) for it to happen.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think and feel that between 1 and 3 Republican Senators are going to jump ship within the next year and almost a dozen Republican Representatives will as well.

Just my prediction. Take it with a ton of salt.

[electropop]

5. Agreement with almost everything you say.

I have long believed that Bush would be inaugurated but eventually driven out in disgrace. The stolen election is way bigger than Watergate; even with the Dems and the media against us, it can't be covered up forever.

But I do believe that after Bush (perhaps 2 years Bush, 2 years of some other con or neo-con man), the GOP will be in the wilderness for decades again, huddled in shame.

In fact, once the abysmal behavior of both parties in this scandal is widely known, I think they will begin a long decline into irrelevance, making room for new major parties.

[roenyc]

8. if both the prez and VP are impeached

does the job go to secretary of state? a condi presidency? lol wow first woman and black president all in one.

look it cant happen that way. although astrology it might. his Majesty is under the same influences as Nixon was at the time of his downfall.

hmmm, and cheney is in deep trouble too with his halaburten connections. but thats another story.

it seems to me that Kerry doesn't want this presidency. i can understand that - hell i wouldn't want it either. but its his duty. things can only get worse with the neocons running things.

and i am afraid his career in politics is over if he doesn't come forward right now. i will not vote for him ever again. sorry JMO.

[Chimpanzee]

10. The Iraq fiasco alone makes him one of the worst presidents ever

[Cheswick2.0]

12. Yes and that fiasco will hurt him with his own party

Eventually they are going to refuse to continue to dump money down that bottomless pit of a war.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. why?

Eventually they are going to refuse to continue to dump money down that bottomless pit of a war.


The blue states pay for it and the red states get the benefits. Why would they want to stop pouring money into the coffers of the corporations that fund their election campaigns?

[Cheswick2.0]

19. because there are lots of republican congress people in blue states

If you insist on seeing this as a blue state red state issue.

But more importantly because there are still republicans who are republicans because they think it is wrong to waste tax payer dollars.

[Prodemsouth]

31. You are putting way too much faith in these blue state "moderate"

Republicans. That is part of the problem of why oppostion to Bush is so weak today. The lame ass Democratic Party has never challenged these blue state "moderate" Repugs in a serious manner the way the Republicans did Democrats in Red states. Here is what the Repugs did in the south: They assocaited them with unpopular national Democratic figures or pressured them to switch parties. That is why we are in the fix we are in today. Too many Democrats and "progressives" don't see moderate Republicans as part of the problem. These pro McCain Dems/progressives people are still living in lala land. His actions during the convention made no impression on them. You are also putting too much faith in the Democrats not to be a bunch of pink tutu goodie goodies and actually fight back for a change.

[Cheswick2.0]

39. I am putting hardly any faith into the democrats at all

Did you read my original post?

[Prodemsouth]

44. What about those moderate Republicans you seem to love so much.

n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

46. yes I did read your original post ...

and I continue to think it highly unlikely that:
a) Democratic congresspeople will suddenly grow balls,
b) they will be joined by enough Republican congresspeople who have discovered an unpleasant and uncontrollable tendency to act ethically to actually oppose anything the administration is doing.

I'm sorry but it seems even less likely to me that Bush will be derailed by congress than that election fraud will stop the annointment. I could be wrong, and as I observed elsewhere, events so embarassing that nobody could continue to support bush could occur. Continuing carnage in Iraq, mostly involving the slaughter of darkish third world types, is unlikely to be such a catalyst.

A draft might do it, but they are aware of that and will avoid it at all costs.

Another al qaeda strike inside the US would upset the 'firm leader protecting us from evildoers' image, but given the last go 'round would most likely plunge the surburban security mom types even deeper into their fear-induced lobotomy, and not lead to internal revolt against the continuing development of our little fascist-theocracy domestic nightmare. Quite the opposite result would transpire. I'd expect this blog to not survive. It would be "God Bless America" on the Capital Steps all over again as they signed off on the elimination of whatever political rights we still pretend to have.

I sure hope I'm wrong and you're right.

[Liberty Belle]

18. There could be other grounds for impeachment.

War crimes, signing the executive order authorizing torture at Abu Ghraib, etc.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. yes and all of those things will pile up

And everything will be exposed piece by piece. But this time instead of it being about blow jobs and personal finances it will be about all those things you mentioned and more.

[Prodemsouth]

25. it is not about sex.. Americans don't care. Please someone send me

a bumper sticker Wow...Barnum really got it right.

[Prodemsouth]

20. Sorry, too much wishful thinking here. Plame, survived that. 911-

bipartisan report basically said it was his fault - read chapter 8- he survived that. The list goes on and on. But I hope you are right and I am wrong. I tend to dismiss a thread predicting Bush leaving in disgrace that mentions Nixon. Nixon had a far stronger opposition-than Bush does today. The Democratic Party of that day was a very powerful force to be deal with. Even the "left" by itself was more powerful during that time than the Democratic Party is today. Though they were losing ground, young white man were beginning to leave because they no longer had a personal reason to be part of a left wing movement. (Nixon ended the draft). This is why Repugs want to avoid the draft they know they will lose young white men, their girlfriends, mothers. Rumsfeld remembers what happened after the draft ended.

[Prodemsouth]

22. BTW. anyone who thinks Bush is not going to be inaugrated in Jan

is living in complete LaLa land.

[molly]

23. The ultimate dream, however

he will be going down.

[Prodemsouth]

28. I will believe it when I see it. My money is on "it will not happen."

Reagan sold arms for hostages and survived with Democratic party in control of congress. Even if scandal breaks out and the Democrats regain control of congress in 06- I don't think it will happen. If it was ever going to happen it should have already occurred.

[molly]

29. Most pugs were Reagan loyalists - a lot are breaking

away from * - don't give up just yet.

[Prodemsouth]

34. Molly, I am not giving up, I just suggest we don't be beguiled by dreams

look at the people involved in a realistic manner. "Moderate" blue state Republicans are still Republicans and act like them when the chips are down. I see a little bitching about Bush that is all. You people that think Moderate Republicans are going to save the day kill me. Didn't there actions during the convention tell you anyting. These calls to moderation by Christie Todd Whitman and Arnold Schwarzenegger are for statewide consumption- for voters in their states. You don't beleieve that they actually think the national party is going to move left based on their advice.. Do You? As for the Democrats, a look at their most recent history should tell you that this is a party that is too cautious to take any risk. Impeachment of any president is a risk. On edit BTW, it did not matter what that most "Pubs were Reagan loyalist". Democrats controlled Congress anything happen to Reagan- NO! Bunch of no good pink tutu wearing...

[Virginian]

24. The line of Succession to be POTUS is:

The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Attorney General John Ashcroft
Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi
Secretary of Homeland Security2 Tom Ridge

So, in answer to the question about Condi becoming POTUS... After she takes over as Secretary of State, she will be 4th in line, behind the VP, The Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate.

[McCamy Taylor]

26. He may go back on the sauce and have to leave for that reason...

...the boy isn't real good at handling pressure. You can already see the strain, and the MSM is babying him right him. Imagine how he is going to react when the inaguration is over, the conservative judges are appointed, his job in DC is done and the MSM is finaly allowed to start covering the election theft story?

If I were W. I would PRAY that the GOP doesnt figure out a way to end Democratic fillubusters, because that is all that is keeping him useful to the far right. Once those conservative judges are in place, they wont care which GOPer is president. Hell. Joe Liebermann would suit them just fine.

[forksofbuffalo]

32. So, who is going to impeach him...?

The Republican controlled House or the Republican controlled Senate?

[Cheswick2.0]

35. Who said he was going to be impreached?

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. One big problem with your theory:

Even if you find 100% proof that there was fraud and the election was stolen, do you really think that there will be solid evidence that Bush had a hand in it? Remember that Nixon never would had left office if there wasn't evidence that he took part in the cover-up.

[Cheswick2.0]

36. what makes you think there is no evidence that bush was involved?

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. What makes you think that anyone will be able to PROVE that he was?

So far there has been no evidence that Bush has had any involvement in any voter fraud. It would probably take quite a few people in the chain of command spilling the beans to implicate Bush. And we won't have the advantage of an Oval Office recording system like we did during Watergate.

[Cheswick2.0]

38. So your purpose is to be negative and give up?

It's a theory and I stick by it. Let's review in 2008 and see if I was right or not.

[valis]

40. I like your theory Cheswick2. It's a plausible scenario.

[Cheswick2.0]

41. Thanks Valis

I have thought this since bush took office in 2000.

[Prodemsouth]

45. I hope you are. But I say that day dreaming about some wild senario is

also not productive

[Freddie Stubbs]

48. My prupose is not to get people's hopes up

There are a lot of people here who need to go through the grieving process. But dragging this thing out and stringing people along is going to cause some serious emotion problems for some people here.

I am talking from experience.

My roommate in coolege and I were active in politics. I was chairman of the College Democrats and he was an intern for the state Democratic party during the fall semester of our senior year. We had no idea what was about to happen. Republicans won control of both houses of Congress, both houses of the state legislature, and our sitting Democratic US Senator lost. We were crushed. We both started drinking heavily. He became profundly depressed, and started talking about suicide. Fortunately he got prefessional help. He is now married to a wonderful woman and they have just had a child. He also works for a Democratic US Senator.

Although I didn't get any counseling then, I wish that I have had. It took me a while to get back to normal (whatever that is).

So why wasn't I emotionally devastated this November. Because I was prepared for the worst. I saw that there was a very real possibility that Kerry would not win. Many DUers could not fathom that possibility. I don't know how many times I've read on DU a posting of someone who said that they didn't no a single person who was supporting Bush. This sentiment was echoed and gave people the impression that a Kerry landslide was imminent, despite every single poll showing that the electorate was split.

So, what do people to accomplish?

Some here think it about reforming elections so that they are more fair and harded to rig. That is the most realistic outcome.

Some think that it will result in Kerry being inaugriated on January 20. This would be brought about by a challenge of the certification of the electoral vote on January 6. What are the chances that a Republican controlled Congress is not going to certify the results when there is yet to be any solid evidence that that Kerry won? Very very slim. Those who believe that something wonderful will happen on January 6 are in for a huge dissappointment. At this point some people would be well served by seeking some counseling.

Some who have believed this are slowly moving away from the theory. They are reading the handwrighting on the wall and and aknowledging that Bush is going to be inaugriated, but holding out that once massive election fraud is uncovered, he will be impeached or forced to resign. For those who are looking forward to this highly unlikely event, I have two words for you: President Cheney.

[mzmolly]

43. Here here!

"DU, the blogs, PDA, DFA and the Progressive community in general (greens and indies) will put our democratic politicians to shame until they finally decide to jump out in front and decide they are leading. But we will remember who stood in the senate and congress and declared the election fraudulent regardless of the outcome of their actions. Those people will win our everlasting gratitude and support."

And WE will be there to remind "them" just WHO deserves our support!

[mother earth]

47. 100% Agree we are not getting the support we need from our

Dem. leaders, they are not being vocal enough, not speaking out and plain old not representing! Conyers & Jackson not included, they have stepped up and still fight for us. GW will not be able to continue the lies for four more years, disgrace will follow, hopefully sooner rather than later.

[Vinca]

49. I agree, Shrub will be sworn in, but . . .

sooner or later he's bound to take the perp walk (best case scenario) or Dick Nixon walk. As much joy as that would bring me, those who remain in power (aka the "unindicted") and might fill the office are equally frightening. They're just another group of terrorists. Knock off Usama and someone's there to replace him. Get rid of Dubya and someone's there to replace him. Maybe he won't be sworn in. Maybe a miracle will happen. Maybe Dove chocolate has no calories.:shrug: