Senators And Congressman Should Be Voted Out If They Don't Stand

[PennyMan]

I don't think they understand if and when this is uncovered as fraud which it will be.
That there is a good chance they will loose their seats anyway. Because there is going to
be so many people upset and mad over this that they didn't even try and do the will of
the people and stand up and challenge this electoral vote that they will be voted out of office anyway.
Why do we need them anyway if they are only going to think about themselfs and not the will of the people.
Thats why we put them in office anyway to speak and do the will of the people.

[mzmolly]

1. I just don't believe in the "think exactly like me or else" mentality.

Sorry. I am certain that any Senator who believes Fraud occurred will stand up and contest the election. Problem is who believes it at this point?

[KnowerOfLogic]

2. So why not just vote republican? I mean, why punish republicans for

not thinking like you?

[mzmolly]

8. Did the word "exactly" fail you? I vote for Democrats because MOST of

the time they represent my beliefs. Republicans do NOT represent my beliefs.

[KittyWampus]

14. Too Many Dems In Office Refuse To Face Facts- They Are Delivering

diminishing returns because of their obtuseness.

If they are too stupid or too deeply in denial about Election Fraud and the lengths that the GOP will go to maintain their now One Party Rule in the US... they are not representatives that can do anyone any good over the long term.

[mzmolly]

22. Election fraud is still being investigated, it has not been proven.

Further, Democrats get shit from both left and right. Both sides claim "Democrats are too far left/right" and that's why there loosing elections.

Democrats lost (either because of fraud) or because history repeats itself. In 4 years people will be sick to death of the R's and we'll see the Dems win again.

[Higans]

3. Perhaps you just don't get it.

Since they control the central tabulators, you can't vote them out of office. They don't care what you say or do. they don't care who you vote for because they don't count your votes any way. the only people they can't piss off are the Voting Machine Manufacturers AKA the Republican Party.

[Junkdrawer]

5. That would be correct...

It's kind of late in the game for that type of threat.

[KnowerOfLogic]

6. Who controls them? the dems? Don't think so. The dems are the ones

who need to be replaced first, because they are not doing their job representing the people and standing up for what's right, and justifying their occupation of the most important powerful positions of trust in this country. Yeah, they may not be able to reverse the election, but they can damn well speak out and try to create enough awareness of the problem that maybe some day it *will* be changed. The 'it doen't matter what we do/how we vote' cannard was BS when dems pulled it supporting the IWR, and it's BS now.

[genieroze]

15. I would NEVER vote rethugnakin unless he was a total RINO.

I would vote for a third party candidate though.

[In Truth We Trust]

13. Exactamundo! n/t

[EFerrari]

17. And they can't have it both ways. Either the machines are just

peachy and there's no fraud OR they're not and our votes don't count and they're in dereiliction.

[KnowerOfLogic]

4. Yes. It's clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that most dem reps/sens

have long since given up even pretending to have any principles or concern for america. They are in business for their own self-interest, nothing more. They are not doing the job and should be replaced.

[Higans]

9. I know it, You know it, the rest of the planet knows they should

be replaced, and the rest of the planet knows that Because We the People have lost our voice to a computer and lost our vote to Hackers, We are powerless to replace any of these thieves.

[cali]

19. Speak for your own reps and senators.

I'm happy with mine. I know none of them are going to refuse to certify and I don't have a problem with that. If someone provided proof, or at least massive evidence that the election was stolen, I'd feel differently. Evidence of fraud is not enough to indicate a stolen election. It is enough to make election reform a pressing matter, that should be addressed aggressively.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

23. Why Election Reform Can't Wait! ... Strong Statement Worth Reading!

I posted this the other day which I think sums the reality of the situation -- sadly :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=204427

Check it out and tell if you change your mind! :)

All the best,
FMH

[Cheswick2.0]

7. only in the primaries

I am not going to participate in making the congress or senate MORE republican.
But I would be in favor of all of them having primary challengers.

[mzmolly]

10. Exactly.

:hi:

[Junkdrawer]

12. And who will be counting the votes in those primaries?

Enough Said.

[EFerrari]

11. I agree. In not actively protecting the vote, they violate their

oath of office AND the public trust.

[Higans]

16. Yup Election law violation Big time.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

There are several important considerations you should be aware of with respect to this matter. First, this course of conduct would appear to violate several provisions of federal law, in addition to the constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process. 42 U.S.C. §1973 provides for criminal penalties against any person who, in any election for federal office, "knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by . . . the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held." 42 U.S.C. § 1974 also requires the retention and preservation, for a period of twenty-two months from the date of a federal election, of all voting records and papers and makes it a felony for any person to "willfully steal, destroy, conceal, mutilate, or alter" any such record. Further, any tampering with ballots and/or election machinery would violate the constitutional rights of all citizens to vote and have their votes properly counted, as guaranteed by the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Second, the course of conduct would also appear to violate several provisions of Ohio law. No less than 4 provisions of the Ohio Revised Code make it a felony to tamper with or destroy election records or machines.1 Clearly, modifying election equipment in order to make sure that the hand count matches the machine count would appear to fall within these proscriptions.

Further more The Main Stream Media also with strong ties to the Republican Party refuses to cover issues like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x195180

Where the Hackers themselves say it is too easy to manipulate the vote. Not only that, but the media covers up America's Protest Movement:

http://colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/9777/index.php

[genius]

18. Amen

[Vidar]

20. If the dem leadership won't stand up, vote Green.

[The Judged]

21. I agree 100%. Can you make my vote actually count?