Does Bush realize what will happen on the 6th?

[CoffeeCat]

I'm wondering if Bush understands what is being planned for the 6th?

Does he understand that many will be in DC, protesting his presence in the White House--and standing up against his fraudulent election?

Does Bush realize that (if Reps and Senators contest), his election and his presidency will be thrown into utter chaos.

Do you think he understands the gravity of what is impending?

[clydefrand]

1. I feel sure that there are those repugs who read all the progressive

blogs and know what people are about to do.

[mulethree]

6. I'm sure the secret service and police keep track

Just to know how much security is necessary.

They probably submit plans and estimates in writing, but
Bush has a team of people to read it for him and
translate it into short sentences and small words.

[The Judged]

76. ... of INTERNET forum members and their posts!

[EuroObserver]

85. Oh yes.

Our intelligence services are watching everything (or trying to) - that's their job.

I suspect they're watching their own backs, too.

[CoffeeCat]

8. I agree...

...that Reps read this blog, but I wonder if they take it seriously. Are they worried about the 6th?

If there are definite Reps who will stand with Conyers--then all we need is a Senator. I wonder if there are phone calls being made to Senators.

Rove to <insert Senator's name> "You aren't planning anything funny on the 6th, are you? Remember, we can election-fraud you out of office too!"

Or possibly, no one is concerned about what we're doing--because they deem us unimportant?

[cali]

22. You can't seriously believe

that Rove would make such a call to either of my Senators, or to many other blue state Senators? He has absolutely no power to "election fraud" them out of office. Really the level of tin foil hat thinking around here has reached an aburd level. Karl Rove is not possessed of the superhuman powers you're attributing to him. Before you tell me it could happen to my Senators, let me repeat that it couldn't. Leahy just got re-elected with over 70% of the vote. We mostly use paper ballots here. We're an overwhelmingly blue state. Neither Leahy or Jeffords has anything to fear. So why won't they refuse to certify? Perhaps because they believe that bushco won despite voting irregularities, perhaps because Kerry conceded, and they believe contesting the certification would do more harm than good to the cause of electoral reform.

[k8conant]

23. I don't understand how contesting the election would do harm

to the cause of election reform. Sweeping all this under the rug is the worst possible thing we or the Congress can do.

[SicTransit]

45. "the level of tin foil hat thinking has reached an aburd level"

you noticed :)

Next we will see posts that Karl Rove has caused the earthquake in Asia to distract from the election fraud investigations. Oh wait - I think I have seen a post or two about that already.

[bunny planet]

66. The most Rove could do to Leahy is to tell him to go'Cheney himself'

oh, somebody already did that.

[Raster]

32. First off, let's not tar all persons of the republican persuasion with the

same brush. There are MANY honest republicans that are having serious doubts about the bush* election legitimacy. Or at least there's enough of the street-savy ones that know if someone can come up with good hard dirt on one of the dirtiest elections in U.S. history, the whole house of cards can come fallin' down.

[Left coast liberal]

70. God, that would be great! Taped, of course! n/t

[Pam-Moby]

2. He thinks

he has a mandate and he is one of the untouchable guys. He thinks if the media don't publish it, it never happened. Lies, Lies and he sucks.

[Clark2008]

10. He thinks?

That's news to me!

:silly:

[proud patriot]

3. probably why he looks like crap

x(

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. His handlers probably don't tell him anything.

And since he apparently doesn't read the newspapers or watch anything but Pox News, he will remain oblivious to whatever happens -- if anything does. But will anything really happen that can make a difference?The media will ignore the protests and hardly any of the Democrats in Congress have the cojones to stand up for us. I'm not very optimistic.

[Chimpanzee]

7. I really don't care if nothing comes out of it - because

nothing probably will, but if the election is really contested, it will go down in the history books and Bush will be lessened because of it. Any little bit adds up in the end.

[SicTransit]

46. Let's reverse it -

just hypothetically. Let's say Kerry won the official count but during the electoral vote count in Congress one Republican senator and a couple of Republican representatives stand up and contest a state. You think that there was no significant fraud. Would this "lessen" Kerry's presidency in your eyes? I don't think so. So why do you think it will work the other way?

[Name removed]

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[SicTransit]

50. I guess shouting "freeper" is easier

than answering the question.

[Razorback_Democrat]

62. Actually, it depends on how it plays out!

as to whether it affects history or not.

In the end, the winners write history.

Then there is the old "is they, or isn't they?, only their hairdresser knows for sure"

[The Judged]

77. The truth is more important than the propaganda: Expose the fraud!

Re-uglican fraud and lawlessness exposed may not dethrone their illegitimate ruler, but it will leave no doubt as to how illegitimate and corrupt their power and his is.

Certainly, this ruler and his Re-uglicans would have no mandate, but instead an unlawful dictatorship approved by lawmakers.

[SicTransit]

79. it is a bit ironic

that under the heading "the truth is more important then the propaganda" you write a lot of propaganda but I don't see any facts.

Basically, my point is, if a Democratic Senator stands up on Jan 6th and as a reason for his objection gives nothing more than the "evidence" that we have so far seen, which IMO does not constitute proof of widespread fraud, it will be seen as a frivolous objection, and will certainly be dismissed by the Congress and by the MSM without causing any damage whatsoever to Bush's presidency, while possibly causing damage, after MSM gets done with the "tin foil hat" imagery, to the Senator in question and to the Democratic party.

If you think that the evidence presented so far leaves "no doubt as to how illegitimate and corrupt" the election was, you're fooling yourself.

[The Judged]

82. In Ohio, there's ample evidence, yet your response is opinion and slander!

This forum is rampant with both links to evidence and quotes attributed to those who are investigating clearly illegal actions that have been documented to have occurred in Ohio during Election 2004.

If you choose to dismiss the evidence, then of course you will choose to believe that no crimes were committed.

Also, the next time you put down someone for stating their opinion, at least have the courtesy to use facts supported by evidence and links in order to put forth your own contrarian opinion.

If you cannot accept that facts and evidence should be used to dispel another persons opinions a bunk, in this forum, then please refrain from posting your outrageous opinions as a rebuttal to what YOU consider to be another persons outrageous opinion.

Anything less, IMO, is just an act of harassment.

[SicTransit]

83. if there are "clearly illegal actions"

then go immediately to the attorney general and demand prosecution. If the AG does not do that, then the actions are not "clearly illegal", are they?

This exactly illustrates my point. Blackwell keeps doing things that are required by Ohio law, such as allowing the tabulators to be reprogrammed before the recounts, or not allowing access to poll books during "canvassing period", which people in this forum claim to be "clearly illegal". Just because you say so does not make it so.

Want another example of smoke blowing? People keep alluding that Republicans somehow caused the long lines in Democratic Franklin county.

The Franklin county Board of Elections chairman is William A. Anthony Jr., who is also the chairman of the Franklin County Democratic Party.

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/27/20041127-B1-02.html

"Board of Elections Chairman William A. Anthony Jr. said he’s offended by accusations from "a band of conspiracy theorists."
Anthony, chairman of the Franklin County Democratic Party, said long lines weren’t caused by the allocation of machines — a process controlled by a Democratic supervisor, he added — but by higher turnout, the overall lack of voting machines and a ballot that included more than 100 choices for some voters.

He said board members discussed renting punch-card machines to supplement the county’s 2,886 electronic voting booths, but they decided against the idea upon advice from Blackwell. LoParo said Blackwell would not have given such advice. "I doubt that was the case," he said yesterday.

A second type of machine would have been confusing, Anthony said, and the controversial punch cards likely would have brought objections from those asked to use them.

Anthony said he is personally offended by the allegations.

"I am a black man. Why would I sit there and disenfranchise voters in my own community?" he said. "I feel like they’re accusing me of suppressing the black vote. I’ve fought my whole life for people’s right to vote."

[The Judged]

84. Did you offer this article as evidence that no crime was committed?

You responded, "<...> Blackwell keeps doing things that are required by Ohio law, such as allowing the tabulators to be reprogrammed before the recounts <...>."

Doesn't Ohio law provide that following the election and prior to certification of the vote that any manipulation of the voting equipment must afford each candidate the opportunity to either observe or have a witness observe on their behalf such equipment manipulation?

Was the law followed? The Ohio AG <presumed to be Ohio AG, because you did not specify the US AG> is on it, right? He needs to be asked to prosecute, doesn't he? Oh, if he chooses not to prosecute, then it is to be ASSumed that no Ohio law was broken, right?

There is no controversy over the fact that Triad employees did, in fact, NOT follow the law when they reprogrammed the tabulators without either themselves, their employers, or the Boards of Elections in those counties either offering advance notice to or extending a real opportunity to the candidates to have their witnesses present to observe the work that they performed.

The fact that Ohio law allows for its own election's checks and balances to be meaningless by affording the Secretary of State the "opportunity" to delay meaningful discovery of election integrity and validity via hand-counts and recounts until after the certification of the election results is considered to be inconsistent with FEDERAL LAWS for due process and election laws, so the Ohio AG <presumed to be Ohio AG, because you did not specify the US AG> would not, as you insist, be either bringing charges on or prosecuting these violations of the federal law.

The fact that Ohio law allows for prejudicial distribution of election resources in such a way that violates federal law by ultimately proving to discriminate on the basis of race, whether or not those actual decisions took race into consideration, is against the federal laws against discrimination, so the Ohio AG <presumed to be Ohio AG, because you did not specify the US AG> would not, as you insist, be either bringing charges on or prosecuting these violations of the law.

Further, the link you provided requires registration for access. However, from what you have provided as a snip of the article at that link, the following statements can be made.

"<...> Board of Elections Chairman William A. Anthony Jr. said he’s offended by accusations from "a band of conspiracy theorists." <...>"

Where are the quotation marks that show that the context of this remark and the point made are journalistically valid as expressions of William A. Anthony Jr.? Did he really make this point or just say the phrase "band of conspiracy theorists" at some time during the interview and have this point made by the author, for him?

"<...> He said board members discussed renting punch-card machines to supplement the county’s 2,886 electronic voting booths, but they decided against the idea upon advice from Blackwell. LoParo said Blackwell would not have given such advice. "I doubt that was the case," he said yesterday. <...>"

It noticeably lacks quotations for most of William A. Anthony Jr.'s remarks while it provides such quotations for LoParo's remarks.

This is clearly manipulation of William A. Anthony Jr.'s actual remarks.

The author routinely DEPICTS what he says that William A. Anthony Jr. said.

It does provide some gossip that William A. Anthony Jr. was under the advice of Secretary of State Blackwell in reaching his decision not to provide the Franklin County voters with punch-card machines to supplement the county’s 2,886 electronic voting booths, but promptly adds a quote of LoParo's remarks, seemingly a rebuttal to William A. Anthony Jr.'s unquoted statement.

But it does not mention the factual failure on the part of the Ohio Secretary of State to deliver a substantial number of voting machines that are said to have been allocated to heavily minority and college precincts that were composed of, surprise, many more blacks than are needed in order to justify the claim of racism by prejudicial distribution and/or allocation of election resources by the Secretary of State of Ohio.

"<...> "I am a black man. Why would I sit there and disenfranchise voters in my own community?" he said. "I feel like they’re accusing me of suppressing the black vote. I’ve fought my whole life for people’s right to vote." <...>"

Finally, a real quote! Only thing is, what did William A. Anthony Jr. say this in response to? What was the context of this remark? Did the author accuse him of personally suppressing the black vote?

The quote is meaningful. However, like the rest of the snipped article you presented, it does little to bridge the gap between the authors depictions of what William A. Anthony Jr. has said and the actual statements made by William A. Anthony Jr.

Therefore, the journalistic integrity of the author and your description of the this article are questionable.

Did you offer this article as evidence that no crime was committed in Ohio on, following, or relating to Election Day 2004?

If so, then think again.

[SicTransit]

88. I offered this article as an indication

to people that claim that Blackwell is the one responsible for the long lines in Franklin county that it was actually a Democratic official who was responsible for the machine distribution there. You conveniently skipped the portion of the article where William A. Anthony Jr. says that.

[Wilms]

His head's still pounding from his holiday spree.

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[CoffeeCat]

9. He's sure been on "vacation" for a while...

It makes me nervous when he goes on vacation.

It's like Cheney vacates him out of the White House, so they can plan their next fiasco "Ok. Get Chimpy out. We've got dirty work to do."

Cheney's been notably absent--more like underground--for the past weeks.

[JoMama49]

14. Yes, Cheney is probably in the Bunker,

But you can bet he, Rove, Card and others know about the 6th, and are trying hard to ignore it or throw something out to distract from it!

[Yupster]

5. He's busy planning

and raising money to implement the strategy for the next big fight which will be social security. I don't think he minds election protests a bit. While the protestors are fighting the last battle, he's planning the next one.

[SueZhope]

11. he is safely in his bubble

tucked away from thinking about
issues that come from the REALITY based community :-)

His arrogance keeps him from worrying about much outside the bubble.

[henslee]

17. So safe. They have won. It's a brazen, demoralizing double theft.

And if they can minimalize the impact of the protest of 600,000. in NY during RNC, pulling it off in D.C. will b a stroll through the park. I predict, stepped up surveillence on protestors, maybe even singling them out. Just when we think it won't get worse it does get worse.

[roenyc]

12. He doesnt care right now but

bush goes into a deep depression during the spring. kind of like Nixon, starts talking to photos in the white house. tries to get some from hillarys photo. its disgusting really. laura catches him and beats him with a pretzel.

so many crimes so little time. yup the bell will toll for him middle of next year. but he will be too stoned to hear it.

[oneighty]

13. I sure hope Osama

does not bring a nuclear bomb bearing submarine up the Potomac river. There are a lot of innocent people in that area.

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[musette_sf]

18. Did you mean

"Osama"?

or Osama?

[Chimpanzee]

28. Good point!

It does seem a bit eerie that Bush is on vacation and Cheney is undercover. Something is about to happen - BIG TIME!

[musette_sf]

29. didn't * blather on

about how a submarine could make it up somewhere he was looking outside at, either before a debate or a press conference?

[oneighty]

53. Yes he did

at President Clinton's library thingy. That was my inspiration.

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[oneighty]

51. Is there a difference?

OBL--If there is a question.

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[Last Lemming]

15. Listen to his radio message today

--which NPR noted as being unusually short
he's reading in a monotone--he's obviously not registering a word he is saying--he knows the jig is up--even he figured it out when he realized he lost the election

No, it doesn't matter about Bush--it matters about Cheney--and I think right now Cheney is experiencing a little show of force on the part of the rest of the world

This really isn't about Bush--he's so expendible they could send him in as the bagman on election day

[forgethell]

16. Do you think

he cares what he considers to be powerless losers do?? Do you really think a Senator has the Balls to stand with Conyers? I'm not holding my breath, but then I have no respect for most of our Democratic leadership, to include each and every Dem Senator.

[Last Lemming]

21. Scoff if you like

but all signals from here--deep in the heart of the redneck South--is that they are taking Bush down

[politicasista]

24. What's going to happen?

I ain't heard squat dooley about us red states taking Smirky down? What's the deal?:shrug:

[Last Lemming]

35. Okay--

I'm typing out a something a little longer but for now let me ask you if you think Kofi Annan was really in Jackson Hole Until Dec 31st becuase of the skiing?

[rodeodance]

26. who is the "they" that you say are going to 'take Bush down"??

[Last Lemming]

36. Response in a moment n/t

[Clark2008]

33. Huh?

I'm down here in the redneck South and I haven't heard about this. To what are you referencing?

[buzzard]

34. Taking him down where?

[Last Lemming]

40. See below

I think a more important question is do WE understand what is going to happen on Jan 6th

[forgethell]

59. Well, we can

always hope. Can't we??

[rodeodance]

25. I do not think a Senator will stand up with Conyers!!

[burn the bush]

30. conyers is saying in interviews that he will have several senators stand

up.

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. He is PREDICTING that he will have several Senators

Which is a lot different than saying that he has several committments.

[PaganPreacher]

67. You forgot the caption!

"She has huge...... tracts of land!"

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.

[Pithy Cherub]

19. His briefers get their news from the media so...

he is either still deluded
he is in denial
he is disdainful

or as usual all of the above!

[txindy]

20. I doubt it

He's too isolated, if not too medicated/inebriated, to realize anything that is going on in the world, let alone this country. That would take interest, which he resolutely lacks.

[Northern Perspective]

27. Do you really think he cares?

This is the same man who laughed - as did his daughters - whenever they saw signs or demonstrations against them. They turned it into a "car game": "Daddy, I see one that calls you a ..." Terribly amusing when the serfs go wild.

The same man, who on that Larry King TV interview said he never really ran into problems. "Everyone seems pretty friendly and supportive whenever I manage to get out of the White House and travel into the rest of the country..."

He won't see it. He won't care. It just confirms everything he already believes - that we're all wrong and he's all right. That, if anything, he's the victim. We're the enemy. The godless hordes. The threat against what the "real people" want and believe. It is his down-deep, black-hearted psychopathic narcissism.

All he's thinking is that there's going to be parties where he can show off his new cowboy boots.

[Eye_on_prize]

58. Regarding "*"s "black-hearted psychopathic narcissism" ...

Have you seen Paul Levy's work on this? he calls is 'malignant egophrenia' in an article posted at
http://www.awakeninthedream.com

Paul's most recent article there is "It's time to wake up!" ..which i think is a particularly excellent read, and very timely i would say.

[Northern Perspective]

63. Thanks

I've bookmarked and look forward to reading.

[molly]

31. Reality is not in his realm

[nmoliver]

37. that's why no Senator is challenging!

The Bush regime will allow nothing to stand in the way of its power. Any Senator who creates this eventuality on Jan 6, throwing his "presidency" into "utter chaos", will pay dearly on many levels. Not just politically, but personally. Others have, and any such Senator will too.

That's why it's not happening. These Senators claim that they will "lose effectiveness" if they challenge the results on Jan 6. They are living in a fantasy world that they still have effectiveness the way it stands now. Will they need to lose their ability to filibuster before they understand that they have already "lost their effectivness"?

[Name removed]

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[Last Lemming]

39. I thin k like a doctor--

because I am a doctor--so I translate everything, even politics, into Dr terms--

Now, how is this setting like something I see in the ER? It's obvious--a psychotic patient who is out of control--and what do I do if I have a pychotic patient--one threatening other patients--threatening the staff? What does any doc do to defuse the situation without violence?

It's simple--show of force--you get ten of the biggest baddest looking nurses, security guards, janitors and you have them SHOW UP--they don't necissarily do anything but their mere overwhelming presence can be enough to defuse the situation The psychotic patient assesses his chance of remaining happily out of control vs getting badly hurt and does make the minimal amount of neuronal connection to--stand down--so to speak

So Kofi Annan is skiing in Wyoming can't take time out to address the Tsunami situation What could that really mean???

[molly]

43. What is your speciality?

Kofi Annan skiing in WY? Well, he has a helluva of lot more compassion than *.

BTW, I am getting treated with a combo of Adriamycin (Doxorubicin) and Cytoxan (Cyclophosphamide). I am deathly ill and was hospitalized a couple of weeks ago with a very serious infection. What is your opinion?

[Last Lemming]

44. You were neutropenic

and I hope you are feeling better--chemotherapy is no fun

[molly]

47. Amazing since I always have injections of Neulasta

[Last Lemming]

49. Blogger scratches top of head...

I'm in ER--sorry not to answer above--so I know nothing about Neulasta except that the name must have been chosen by a focus group--

hope you are feeling better physically and that you will be pleasantly surprised come Jan 20th

[molly]

60. Thanks and I'm sure you've already done this

http://www.neulasta.com/patient/index.jsp

I pray for the 20th every day - mostly I'm praying for the 6th with intensity!

[marions ghost]

56. Re. tale of the psychotic patient

so you are saying that by showing force on election theft they are going to straightjacket Bushco?

[ebayfool]

87. The possibilities! Please check your PM, before I complete the job of ...

making a TOTAL fool of myself!

[McCamy Taylor]

41. He probably plans to bomb the hell out of Mosul to vent his anger

[madison2000]

42. It's probably up to Karen Hughes to gently tell him when

something isn't going quite right.

[kitkat65]

52. I keep thinking of this last stanza of Sylvia Plath's poem "Daddy"

There's a stake in your fat, black heart
And the villagers never liked you.
They are dancing and stamping on you.
They always *knew* it was you.
Daddy, daddy, you bastard, I'm through.

[Quakerfriend]

54. I don't think * cares about what might happen.

He seems to dislike people, in general. And, I kinda get the impression that he doesn't really like being preznit........seems like it's just too much work... hard, hard work for him.

All those verbal gaffs have to be a bit embarrassing!

I am afraid, however, that his handlers are going to get very nasty, very soon. 'Cause we are not going away! And, neither is the 911 scandal, anytime soon.:mad:

[Imagevision]

55. Bush & Rove will also simply wait to see what developes then respond.

[rainbow4321]

57. ? is what does he have planned for the 5th---terror alert, bombing??

You know he and his fellow asswipes are plotting for something to take the media attention away from this. Not that diverting their attention is very hard to do...shrub could fart and it would be turned into a primetime news alert w/ daylong press conferences. Anything to keep the news off of what could happen on Jan 6th.
I wish the shit would hurry up and hit the fan already....

[EFerrari]

61. Why keep second guessing the puppet? We've work to do : )

[Firespirit]

65. I lost you after "realize."

The answer to any "Does Bush realize" question's got to be NO.

[sepia_steel]

68. I imagine he is very nervous

considering the not-so-friendly reception he got last time. He knows that this time it will be even worse.

[bunny planet]

69. He will soon.

He'll be doing the chimp dance (this comes shortly before the perp walk)

[seito]

71. LMAO Bunny

I love that little guy.

[bunny planet]

74. Happy 2005 Seito.

Thank you for your 'New Year's for the Believers' thread. That really helped me out when I got home tonight. Was bummed out by some Republican humor at a New Year's Day gathering. I really needed to believe when I walked in the door a little while ago.

Your thread was just the right medicine to get my bunny hop(e) back in working order.

[seito]

78. I am so glad you have your bunny mojo once again

I can only imagine. :puke:

I have had a completely Freeper Free Holiday Season. I just LOVE :loveya: California.

[Mojorabbit]

72. As well organized as their campaign was

I am sure they are ready for it. Probably have a great smear campaign planned. I am worried at what they will come up with.

[Shalom]

73. Does Bush Realize His Family are Nazis and He is a Fascist ? nt

[New Earth]

75. lol

[Fescue4u]

80. I seriously doubt that he is worried

The reality is that very little will happen on the 6th.

[Old Mouse]

81. I am sorry to say you seem to be correct

The fact they have so carefully blocked all method of protesting the motorcade route shows they are not only quite aware of the impending demonstrations, but had expected them.

And without real media coverage a congressional challenge has no power to cripple the administration's power.

We need the press.

[zapped 1]

86. kick

[ebayfool]

89. bump n/t

[Debbie13]

90. He's not going to care. The thing is you need some publicity

And if you can't get publicity by having a march, howw can you get some?
hmmmmm
What would the press come for and then you could show your signs of disgust with the Emperor.