Does anyone besides me

[hyphenate]

think that the 2004 was a setup? The candidate was not a setup, per se, but the possibility--nay, the PROBABILITY that the DNC knew a long time ago that the election would be stolen, and knew that regardless of WHO the nominee was going to be, that our chances of winning were less than of the right wingers stealing the election?

That perhaps showing that the right wing used less than honest means, used ruthless and cutthroat methods to achieve their end was going to show the majority of Americans that the right wing was as evil as those they chose to name in their rantings and ravings, and to show that the Repukes were, in fact, guaranteed a victory on their skanky platform.

The more and more I think about it, with John Kerry "folding" so quickly, with more of an "aw shucks" attitude than the fighting spirit he showed consistently through the campaign makes me wonder exactly what the DNC promised him if he took the "fall" when--not IF--the right wing cheated their way to the win.

Anyone else have any feelings about this?

[molly]

1. NO

[BamaLefty]

2. We Never Landed on the Moon Either

C'mon bro... wake up. :eyes:

[infusionman]

20. Yes we did land on the Moon...I watched it on TV

[StephanieMarie]

3. If the DNC knew ahead of time

wouldn't they also be able to expose it?
If they wanted him to "lose" first, why don't they expose it now?
What good does it do to allow an election to be stolen then just sit there?

[KerryOn]

4. Not at all. n/t

[genieroze]

5. With MSM in the pockets of the thugs the majority of Americans

don't know jack. If this was the Dem's plan, they failed!

[snowbird42]

6. Rush would say

It was all a set up by the Clinton branch of the Dem party.

I refuse to believe it.

[NVMojo]

7. the DNC was so out of touch with issues of the people on the ground

that they fecked up the Kerry campaign ...IMHO.

[noamnety]

8. nope

I pride myself on having matching tin foil hats for every outfit, but no.

I believe they went into it knowing there was going to be massive amounts of fraud, even possibly thinking to win would require a massive landslide of public opinion because of fraud. But not that it was a setup in any way at all. The republicans hardly need us to make themselves look bad, and if the goal was to expose their less than honest means, the DNC did a crap job of exposing it.

[seito]

9. No

John Kerry ran a good (not perfect) campaign

He won the election and DID NOT take a fall

He IS involved in investigating the election fraud and subsequent cover-up.

The responsibility belongs in the lap of the corporate media and the criminals that rigged the election.

Why do so many want to point the finger at the people on our side? This I will never understand.

I BELIEVE

[madison2000]

10. I agree with you n/t

[slackmaster]

11. Negative

:tinfoilhat:

[Ian David]

12. If the Dems wanted this to happen, they could have saved a ton of money

They spent way too much money for them to have intended to lose.

If they wanted to lose, they could have just nominated Al Sharpton.

[McCamy Taylor]

13. Doubt it. If the DEMS had known in advance what was going down

they would have planted moles/bugs/gotten their own exit polls etc. and sprung a trap on Karl Rove. They have been after this guy for years.

Problem with the Dems is they are a bit too Pollyanna-ish, however this is also their virtue. They like people, they think well of people, they can not envision people behaving like total *&^%$#^^%@s.

[bush_is_wacko]

14. John Kerry DID expect a fight.

He had a GELAC fund. He said he would use it to lead the fight. I don't really think it was a "set-up," but I do think they were prepared to look into it. Seems to me, if it was a "set-up" they would have had people on the ground at the polls doing a much better job than they did at connecting the dots and locating the evidence. It wouldn't have been that hard to plant someone with a little knowledge in the states that mattered. There is a lot of evidence, but from what I can see, the exact method that was used is not transparent enough for me to think they were on top of it all the way through the election. I actually wish it was something like you suggest, but I don't think things would have gone down like they have if that was the case.

[Miami Liberal]

15. Nah

I don't think so

[propagandafreegal]

16. I think it could have been a set up at the highest levels. nm

[BigBearJohn]

17. This fits right in with the idea of Bush planing 911 for profit

Anything is possible, but I can't let my mind sink that low.
Not this lifetime. But then again, who would have believed
6 million people could be put to death in concentration camps.

Still, I will still believe mankind is basically good.

So, no, I don't go along with the idea.

[Warpy]

18. I think they heard the warnings but held out hope

that the logistics would be impossible, that there was some last vestige of fairness and decency in the GOP.

They were wrong on both counts.

Their silence since the election has been very telling. It seems the conservative led Democratic Party is just fine with another Bush family theft of the electoral process. Perhaps they're counting on their own lowered taxes and upon a steady flood of social security money fattening their portfolios.

They know now what they are up against. There should be civil rights lawsuits burying Sproul, libel suits against the smear boat guys and Regenery, and massive suits against the video voting machine companies.

There are not.

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[ClassWarrior]

21. Does anyone besides me...

...think that Bush**, Cheney**, and their Radical RW puppetmasters are the REAL enemies?? That we were setup alright - but not by our own people, as much as the Radical RW and the Corporate Media Whores would like us to believe that??

Anyone else have any feelings about this?...

NGU.

[Wiley50]

23. Gee,Class, You might be on to something there!

Wonder why few in this thread have thought of that?

edit:typo

[seshers]

24. You said it...

[demo dutch]

22. This is too far fetched!!!