Why Congress Must Investigate, Not Certify

[WiseFawn]

Ten preliminary reasons why the Bush vote does not compute, and why Congress must investigate rather than certify the Electoral College (Part One of Two)
by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
January 3, 2005

The presidential vote for George W. Bush does not compute.

By examining a very wide range of sworn testimonies from voters, polling officials and others close to the administration of the Nov. 2 election; by statistical analysis of the certified vote by mathematicians, election experts and independent research teams who have conducted detailed studies of the results in Ohio, New Mexico, Florida and elsewhere; from experts who studied the voting machines, tabulators and other electronic equipment on which a fair vote count has depended; and from a team of attorneys and others who have challenged the Ohio results; the freepress.org investigative team has compiled a portrait of an election whose true outcome must be investigated further by the Congress, the media and all Americans -- because it was almost certainly not an honest victory for George W. Bush.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1065

[justinsb]

1. Senator?

Is there any word yet on whether there is a senator who will stand up?

[zann725]

24. They are NOT going to let us know now. Though I think several will stand.

n/t

[Name removed]

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[Stand and Fight]

5. Sad...

Sad that politicians and the people have come to consider political careers more important than the observance and preservation of democracy. Sad that you could even say that the evidence is too thin when there is prima facie evidence that suggests something most foul...

:(

[TruthIsAll]

6. Evidence "too thin" to investigate? Lunatics only seeking the truth? NOT

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[eowyn_of_rohan]

12. lunatics? ruined reputations? "Thin" evidence?

Perhaps the neocons and their MSM hacks would like to give that impression, and perhaps 3 out of 5 Americans will be initially "confused" if their reps stand up on 6 January, but I believe their confusion will turn to admiration once they hear the truth. The 1000s of incidents of voter suppression and disenfranchisement, ALONE, is direct evidence of election fraud. And the thousands of "glitches" and anomolies provide an abundance of circumstantial evidence at the very least, and the laws that have been broken by Blackwell, election boards, and voting machine reps are enough to legally nullify this election. There is plenty of evidence, and it is about time the masses learned about it.

[goclark]

15. They get paid to speak out!

No guts no glory!


Mandela, MLK, Robert Kennedy, Ali the list of true heroes goes on and on.

No guts, no glory!

[cali]

3. Refusal to certify will not spur an

investigation. It will result in a delay of, at most, a few hours.

[SicTransit]

4. in fact, if there is an objection

I think it will actually prevent an investigation. It will become a blatantly partisan matter, and any investigation will look as if it delegitimizes Bush - which Republicans will not allow.

If you *want* a Congressional investigation of the election, objecting on Jan 6th is the worst way to go about it.

[liam97]

7. Wow, we have some really authoritative views on this

thread. I am going with Conyers, who BTW, is one of the few laywers who were part of the Wgate hearings. I think he may know what he is doing, even if the outcome if not the most desirable one.

[Dhalgren]

8. Unfortunately, it is also the only way to go about it.

[TruthIsAll]

9. That's just the point - the purpose IS to de-legitimize Bush.

.

[lib_1138]

11. I don't think the Repugs will stand for it. ..

I suspect the word has gone out to anyone thinking of standing up that they will be frozen out of everything if they do.

Those (R)s -- they will stop at nothing to take over our country. But I think this time they have it -- we need to get the data together and gear up for impeachment.

[drm604]

10. Republicans will try to block an investigation

whether there is an objection or not. What an objection might achieve is greater public visibility of the problems. So an objection might, in fact, make investigation more likely and harder for Republicans to block due to public pressure. I just don't see how it could make it less likely.

[pacalo]

21. WhatsHisFace needs to be exposed for everyone to see.

We're looking for wide media exposure on the election fraud so that everyone with short attention spans for news will hear about it.

And I agree with your thinking, drm604, that exposure to the fraud will put pressure on the Republicans to do the right thing after hearing the evidence. And I hope the evidence is publicized for everyone -- especially those who aren't paying attention -- to see.

If ever there was a time for the senators to stand up, this is it. They are OUR voice.

[Karenca]

13. that's

your opinion
ONLY.

[SicTransit]

14. Really? I wonder why my statement

above started with "I think".

[Karenca]

16. Actually, your "I think "means nothing....

once you added: " If you *want* a Congressional investigation of the election, objecting on Jan 6th is the worst way to go about it." :crazy:

That, which was copied & pasted.

[SicTransit]

17. Whatever. Everything everybody writes here is an opinion -

what you write is an opinion. What I write is an opinion. So what?

I happen to think my opinion is correct. If you want to dispute it, go ahead. Writing "this is just your opinion" is stating the obvious.

[liam97]

18. But you tend to state it

as if it is the law. Hence the statement "your opinion", I think.

[SicTransit]

19. Since everything everyone writes here is an opinion,

it is implicit in any statement written in the forum that it is an opinion. There is no need to add to it that it is an opinion - it is one by default.

[Karenca]

22. no

that's your opinion.

We have mostly factual posts here.
When we have an opinion, we'll say it's one.

[SicTransit]

23. ROTFL - yeah right.

like shouting that statistical analysis of exit polls is a "smoking gun" and "proof of fraud" - is that one of those "factual posts" you're referring to?

[Karenca]

25. ok...you just keep on laughing

at us. :))

[SicTransit]

20. delete - dupe

delete - dupe