Bush Asks Judge to Toss Ohio Election Suit

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Bush Asks Judge to Toss Ohio Election Suit

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By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign asked the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court on Monday to throw out a challenge of the election in this swing state, saying the case resembles "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

The court filing was made as the Rev. Jesse Jackson (news - web sites) held a rally before hundreds of people in Columbus to support the challenge and urge the U.S. Senate to debate Ohio's results on Thursday when Congress is in joint session for the official tally of the electoral votes.

Thirty-seven Ohio voters who filed the challenge are asking Chief Justice Thomas Moyer to set aside the election results. Some of the voters are suspicious of Bush's victory over Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), while others say hours-long waits in heavily black neighborhoods caused voters to leave in frustration without casting a ballot.

"In 2000, if Al Gore (news - web sites) had just held on and fought to the bitter end, he would have been president," said Mark Lomax, a black Columbus musician challenging the vote. "I kind of have the same feeling now — whether or not you like John Kerry, that's not the issue. It's just that your vote counts."
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=696&e=1&u=/ap/20050104/ap_on_el_pr/ohio_vote

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[bear425]

1. bad link. n/t

[bemis12]

2. Never mind

*deleted on edit*

[SlowDownFast]

4. link fixed.........n/t

[ClintonTyree]

3. "Me Thinks...................

BushCo. doth protest too much". If it's as bad suit as they say it is, the court wouldn't even hear it, correct?
Let the court make it's decision, Bozos.

[shraby]

5. Then they fight you

Then you win

[KerryOn]

41. Problem is the court is Moyer

Moyer gets to make the descission and he has a law suite filled against him contesting his election as Supreme Court Justice of Ohio.

The court, (Moyer) will throw it out. I'm positive of that.

They have control now, and there is very little we can do, but PROTEST! Our Government has been taken over.

[Wiley50]

6. Methinks the fvckers are getting scared

or they wouldn't have bothered

[Patsy Stone]

7. Yes, thanks.

"I kind of have the same feeling now — whether or not you like John Kerry, that's not the issue. It's just that your vote counts."

[Nothing Without Hope]

8. Not "Bush" but a flunky. He has more important things to do...

...and crushing responsible protests to election fraud is HARD WORK.

Let's hope the judge isn't another Scalia. I do wonder what threats may have accompanied this "request" behind the scenes.

[renaissanceguy]

9. BushCo is panicking.

They'll try to dismiss it as another "frivolous lawsuit." Well, since WHEN did a voter's rights become frivolous?

If the media were truly "liberal," they'd point this out.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.15032002
http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.15133215

[headrock]

16. Read The Last Paragraph...

If nothings done by the 6th the case goes bye bye in regards to getting the electors tossed out and I really dont think that Moyers is dumb enough to take it on before Thursday..If your looking to get the electors tossed this isnt going to get it done...........

A realist:-)

The 6th will be where election reform will be placed front and center and hopefully multiple Senators will make a stand for African American voters who are shitted on year after year..........

[bemis12]

10. It's a standard response

The defendant does get to respond to a suit. It's how it works. Responding is neither a sign of panic, nor a desparation move. It happens in every case.

[ClassWarrior]

15. Well, since you presume to know Bush**'s mind, tell me why...

...he responded at all.

NGU.

[bemis12]

21. It don't claim to know his mind.

I know something of how lawsuits work.

Plaintiff files case.
Defendant responds.

Check out Bush v. Gore.

Bush filed.
Gore responded.

[femme.democratique]

31. So they respond *THREE WEEKS* after the initial filing......

Why not come out with a statement when the case was actually filed? Was Rove too busy masturbating to his picture of Il Duce?

This is all timed SO PRECISELY its almost funny.

[Wilms]

36. Yea. But WHAT a response.

Bush is all..."Those tin-foil people, whatever, you know, their smokin' me out."

HAHAHA

[pacalo]

85. Is it standard for a president to ask that a state supreme justice

throw out a case that was filed on behalf of voters? I call that more than a "response".

[Pithy Cherub]

11. Why ask now?

What are they hiding and why and the whiff of fear...hmmmmm

[hootinholler]

57. Because now was thier deadline.

If I remembered that right, too lazy to look it up.

Running the clock. The republican strategy.

-Hoot

[Pithy Cherub]

62. Late Friday's in the dead of night is more the * MO.

Why today rather than when everything could have been buried over the weekend. just wondering is all... :)

[hootinholler]

77. Moyer set the deadline for the reply to the allegations. N/T

[VTGold]

12. I'm shocked - sounds like great news for us!!

At the VERY least I think it shows that they know there are enough disenfranchised votes to turn the state over.

[Verve]

13. Unfortunately, Repug Moyers will stall until after 1/6 to make his ruling.

[EFerrari]

17. Hope he does. That makes him overtly complicit. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

14. YESSSSSSSSSSS...

"...then they fight you."
- M.Gandhi

NGU.

[Farmgirl]

18. Ay Carumba!

Does anyone out there know which way the judge might be leaning on this? Does anyone know, or think that he might in fact decide to "throw out the challenge" -- or does this seem more like grandstanding and posturing?

[bush_is_wacko]

28. Since the judges legitimacy was also in question and he chose to

separate the two cases with one ruling and then ruled to delay them a little longer, and then told the Attorney he had not given enough evidence, blah, blah, blah. I think he will probably do everything in his power to keep the case from being heard until it is too late. However, if there is any investigating going on, this judge has made a pretty good case for Arnbeck that he IS corrupt and HIS election results SHOULD be questioned along with Bush's

[Wilms]

37. Sounds like they stepped in a trap!!! n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

38. Could be..Let's wait and see! n/t

[KerryOn]

47. His election results are being questioned.

Arnbecks first law suite contested the election for president and for the Supreme Court Justice of Ohio, which is Moyer. Moyer threw the law suite out, saying they must be filed separate. Now Moyer is the JUDGE for the presidential election contest.

It is all corrupt!!!!!

[bush_is_wacko]

76. Yeah, it's corrupt, but there may be a method to the madness

Moyer has ruled and re-ruled and undermined this whole thing so much, he may get called on some of it down the line. It's so convoluted to an outsider, I can't quite see how things could turn in our direction, but I can see the possibility.

[KerryOn]

78. I sure hope you are right. Crosing my fingers n/t

[BigBearJohn]

19. At first I thought somebody made this up. It COULD NOT be true!

Oh, man. Excuse me while I throw up. :grr: :nuke:
Michael Moore's new movie should be Apocalypse 2004
Should I bend over now, or do you want to kiss me first?

[AmerDem]

20. this opening paragraph

Reminds me of the way FAUX News and O'Lielly started cross suits against Franken.


"COLUMBUS, Ohio - President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign asked the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court on Monday to throw out a challenge of the election in this swing state, saying the case resembles "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

[Pithy Cherub]

40. Putting an order in for the same result:

Judge laughs * out of court....

[madison2000]

22. How utterly dismissive Blackwell is to black voters and Jesse Jackson:

Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell said there's no reason to prolong the election. "Jesse Jackson can complain, grandstand, whine, stamp his feet all he wants," said Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo. "It's not going to change the results of Ohio's election or how voters cast their ballots on Nov. 2."

[headrock]

25. Well,For Everyone Whos Says Its Just About Counting The Votes

should be pleased but those who thought it would get Kerry in there might be disappointed..........

Keep fighting Bob....

-"Bob Fitrakis, one of the lawyers who filed the challenge, said that if Moyer's decision comes after the tally by Congress, it likely wouldn't have any effect on the outcome of the presidential election. But any ruling favorable to the challengers — regardless of when — would bolster their efforts to improve voting law, he said."

[anamandujano]

27. We don't want to change "how voters cast their ballots"

We want to verify that they were counted correctly.

[bush_is_wacko]

44. Yeah, actually I do want to change how voters cast their votes

Either we have a buddy system, where someone goes in with you watches you vote and signs a written, enforceable document witnessing that you did vote that way or we go to paper ballots with a receipt! I am taking a buddy w/ me to the next election if we don't have verifiable paper ballots!

[anamandujano]

81. Agree totally but, for this election it's the best we can do.

Not counting a country-wide revote, of course. I would like to go for paper ballots or machines with a paper trail.

All paper ballots can go into very heavily guarded LOCKED BOXES (hee!), we can get the machine tally for a quick idea of who got what for a vote but no even calling the race until the paper votes are counted (and possibly videotaped).

If we can spend untold millions on a long campaign season, we can take the time and money to COUNT THE FREAKING VOTES.

If we can't verify the talley, we cannot trust our election.

[bush_is_wacko]

84. Yep, that's it!

"If we can spend untold millions on a long campaign season, we can take the time and money to COUNT THE FREAKING VOTES.

If we can't verify the talley, we cannot trust our election."

In a nutshell!

[KerryOn]

51. Such nasty words from Blackwell...

Blackwell needs to read up on his own book of ethics.
It makes me sick. !@#F$# SOB!

From The Desk Of Kenneth Blackwell:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/pubAffairs/general/uncommonsensebooklet.pdf#search='kenneth%20blackwell%20ethics'

[me b zola]

61. Indeed! I almost fell out of my chair

ALL of it is incredibly hypocritical, but how about #19...

"Submission to the truth..." bla,bla,bla

[rodeodance]

65. "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

a condensending comment!!--


from your Yahoo post:

COLUMBUS, Ohio - President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign asked the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court on Monday to throw out a challenge of the election in this swing state, saying the case resembles "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

[rodeodance]

67. yes-blackwell is dismissive!! condensending also!!

[FreepFryer]

23. Please have hope - realize what good news this is for the investigation!

Read the tone, read the frame.

The tone is even, and exposes Replunk vitriol contrasted with Dem thoughtfulness.

It establishes the validity of a followup to the 2000 precedent.

The frame here is 'investigation valid'.

Good stuff. Now, let's see what the judge does.

[m.standridge]

53. What Judge Rehnquist-Moyers will do

[bleever]

24. I like the schoolyard name-calling aspect to it.

BTW, how many insults is it to call something "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie"?

I think I count about five.

Much better than saying something like "plaintiffs lack standing" or "we move to vacate in the absence of prima facia evidence."

:)

[bloom]

26. yes

Of course he never bothers with validity or reality. He makes his own reality - doncha know.

[Bluebear]

29. That Bush. He's so "plain-spoken".

nt

[Quakerfriend]

33. Yeeeah!

That's why we all loves him so!

[vj68]

30. I think the MSM can’t ignore it

I think the MSM can’t ignore it and that is Good News. Maybe the filling will pull the election fraud news into the living room of every person with a TV.

[hootinholler]

59. Funny you should mention Prima Facia ;)

Isn't there some of that involved in this when the evidence is presented?

-Hoot

[bleever]

79. Winkin' right back at ya, hoot.

;)

[hootinholler]

89. Stop that people will talk...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

-Hoot

[bleever]

90. LOL!

Gotta keep myself from breaking into a show tune. Say, something from "Carousel"...

"Don't laugh,
At my jokes too much..."

[candle_bright]

32. This quote

is so not funny!

"a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."

[Quakerfriend]

34. Their framing is sooooo transparent, isn't it?!

[KerryOn]

35. Bush must be worried

.. why else would he ask Moyer to throw out the law suite?
There is absolutely no reason for Bush to ask this of Moyer unless he has something to hide. PERIOD.

I think Bush is scared, but the big problem is Moyer. He will throw it out weather Bush asks him to or not.

[nashville_brook]

39. yep, my thought too n/t

[FreepFryer]

42. First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you...

... Then you win. -- Mohandas Gandhi

(had to post the whole thing here for those who didn't get the mention above).

Believe! Achieve! Care! Protect! It's working!

[foo_bar]

45. it's "Gandhi"

Ghandi's a car manufacturer.

Would you like to know more?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_common_misspellings
http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/oct/10-16-98/edit/edit3.html
http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.quaker/messages/94883.html
http://www.sfheart.com/Ghandi.html
http://www.markshep.com/nonviolence/

[FreepFryer]

52. it was a typo from fast typing

Thanks for the snark, though.

You may notice it misspelled similarly in one of your links, smartypants. :)

[foo_bar]

(cookie dupe)

[foo_bar]

54. it's one of the most common misspellings

In fact there's some research devoted to it:
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001006.html

Typos don't generally swap the 2nd and 5th letters, for the record.

What this means in the case of Gandhi is that people know there is an "h" in there somewhere, and just one of them, but they're not too sure where it is. As a result, the omission of the "h" after the "d" and the insertion of an "h" after the "g" are not statistically independent processes.

It's no doubt also relevant, in this case, that "gh" is a commoner sequence of letters in English than "dh" is, by a large factor.

[FreepFryer]

55. for the record

Can we talk about the topic and not whether i proofread that post? Super.

[foo_bar]

56. "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress."

- Mahatma Gandhi

[FreepFryer]

58. {smile}

:)

[fooj]

43. Just when I think that nothing else can surprise me...

I think they believe that NOBODY in this country pays attention! Maybe they are just too arrogant to give a crap!! Out of Rove's playbook, perhaps? Uh-oh...not the Rovian Theory of Democratic Principles!!!:cry:
Watch the locusts spread...



WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???:think: :think: :think:

[liam97]

46. To those who were saying this lawsuit is a joke

here's your proof - I don;t think Rove wd ask Bush to do this if there wasn't a threat in here

[greatscott15]

48. Why are the repubs even bothering?

Does make you wonder why they would even bother asking for it to be thrown out. Unless there is something there. The question is , will we ever know for sure? I doubt it....

[politicasista]

49. Sorry we can't get Kerry in, but we can try to save democracy.

:-)

[Verve]

50. Agree.

[McCamy Taylor]

60. Are they calling Karl Rove a hack B Grade Movie writer?Its his script.

[me b zola]

63. Does anyone have

a copy of, or link to, the papers filed?

[bemis12]

68. I think all of them are here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moss_v._Bush#Details_of_the_case

[me b zola]

75. Thanks for the links!

eom

[read the law first]

82. Thanks. Notice anything strange about the depositions?

First of all, the three Doctors are not notary publics and diplomates or whatever (that was a reference to the court reporter).

Interesting that no lawyer from the contestees showed up. That makes me think that the pukes think that the judge will toss the suit.

[jmc777]

64. When government spokesmen/women say "conspiracy theory"....

......it's a sure sign that you have them on the run! :grouphug:

[New Earth]

66. hahahaha

[rodeodance]

69. Bush prob. labels the suit as 'frivulous"--one of the few big words he

knows!!!

[New Earth]

70. LOL

[bemis12]

71. No way

His lawyer knew it. He's googling it right now.

[Sydnie]

80. If * said it - it would be fri-vu-lous

don't forget the dramatic pause that he throws in when he thinks he's right. He thinks this claim is one of the ex-a-ger-a-tions but we know better.

You can run *, but you can't hide from this one! He should have paid more attention to the Nixon legacy I think!

When DID he know? Who is he protecting?

[understandinglife]

72. Breaking: Big Costco truck delivery of anti-perspirent to WH just reported

:nopity:


"When Did Bush Know?"

[scottxyz]

73. What's the matter, Boy George?

Getting scared?

[Twist_U_Up]

74. discussing this now on Air America Radio 10:05 n/t

[adolfo]

83. kick!

The smell of blood in the water can be so sweet. I hope the legal sharks feast on this one.

[Oversea Visitor]

86. First they laugh

Then they ignore, now they fight.
:toast:

[Oversea Visitor]

87. Haha

Late night hmm are they refering to the exit poll doing a flip flop haha

[Vektor]

88. Wow! He woke up!

Tee-hee....

"a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie."
Did he add a "yeee-hawww" at the end, and spit a wad of tobacco into a styrofoam cup?

WHAT A BUFFOON.

Well, if he's getting defensive, he KNOWS they're onto something!Remember how nervous and jittery he got in the debates when Kerry reamed his lily-white ass for screwing up in Iraq? He got all defensive when Kerry hit the nail on the head.

Looks like he's getting scared.

[bunny planet]

91. What are they hiding and how long can they hide it?