President Clinton on Larry King: "Bush won fair and square"

[jsw_81]

He said this only moments ago. What do you conspiracy "believers" have to say about that? Is Bill Clinton a freeper? Is he a part of the massive plot to keep Kerry out of the White House?

[disillusioned1]

1. One word

Mena

[jsw_81]

4. I see

Bill Clinton is part of the Great Conspiracy. :eyes:

[disillusioned1]

22. He's not lily white, if that's what you think

If you do, you belong in the Relgious Right. It even rhymes.

[intensitymedia]

85. He was a liberal republican president anyway

Nafta.

Terminating the single payer health care proposal.

Squandered democratic majorities in congress.

Brought on the Newt Gingrich onslaught.

Lied and got caught.

These kinds of things are what we expect of republicans.

I like clinton in some ways. EAIT. Balancing a budget and calling the republican lie into the light - that they wanted a balanced budget, which of course was the last thing they wanted. They only used that as an excuse to avoid funding social programs.

By comparison to now, Clinton seems like a saint. But he was no Franklin Roosevelt, not even a Lyndon Johnson in his effect on the USA.

We should expect and deserve more.

Why did he say 'fair and square'?

Because he's a liar. Or a dupe. Or complicit.

There are no other alternatives.

peace - but never give up the struggle -

che (aka eso garbantho)

[In Truth We Trust]

99. I agree with you assessment. Fuck him and anyone with half a brain

who denies the reality of fraWd. I say it it is time for a tea party. We need to dump the e-machines and the DLC (who Clinton is very much a part of).

If no Democratic Senator stands for truth and democracy on the 6th then we must solidify our efforts behind a third party. Elect local and national candidate's and reform election laws now.

To accomplish this obviously we need to go back to the future and demand paper ballots NOW, and hand counts NOW.

[TruthIsAll]

79. JESSE JACKSON SAID "FAIR & SQUARE". SO DID MICHAEL MOORE

GET READY FOR JAN. 6

YOU WILL BE AMAZED.

[seito]

2. Wait a second...

Is he a Bonesman also LMAO

On Edit: I BELIEVE

[Pam-Moby]

12. Could be a Bonesman ....HAHHAHAHAHAHA n/t

[seito]

36. No, wait, he was in with Kerry and Rove

in the secret mind probe experiment used to rig the Iowa Caucus

Here is the prototype

I think I will keep my :tinfoilhat: in place thank you very much

I Believe

[Pam-Moby]

59. Oh yea

I think I read something about that on CNN...:crazy:

[Patsy Stone]

63. I Believe

you are correct. Their mind control is legendary. :)

[Verve]

65. LOL! Just got the joke Pam-Moby. Very funny. HEE! Hee! Juvenile but

funny.

Hey! Clinton is a politician everyone. I love the guy and would much rather have him in the Big house than Chimpy but he knows how to play with the big guys.

His motives aren't always clear to me. Which I'm sure is the way he wants it. (If you had Ken Starr following you around all those years you would be elusive as well.)

What he says may not be what he's thinking. I think he has ulterior motives if you ask me. He's kissing the Bushies' way too much lately. I wonder what's up behind the scenes?

[Erika]

3. Ah, Clinton is starting Hillary's campaign?

But then what does fair and square mean to a politician?

[Angelique]

83. But then what does fair and square mean to a politician?

It means don't look behind the black curtain, just listen to what it says.. :)
As for the Clinton's, I can't shake the feeling that if it wasn't for the Clinton admin, and Big Bad Bill in particular.. we would be dancing in the White House and still have both arms of congress.. far and square..

[librechik]

5. 3: Hillary in 08.

What did we expect him to say?

[theboss]

6. The answer will be, "He's working behind the scenes"

That's always the answer.

[euler]

26. Yes! In these situations...

...you have to read between the lines. Nothing is ever what it seems. Objective reality is not.

[saltpoint]

7. Clinton owes his wife a favor after the --

-- Lewinsky affair.

Yes, it's in his interest to keep Kerry out of the White House.

No, I do not believe Bush won the election "fair and square." I believe he and his boys cheated like a slum rat.

[ginnyinWI]

16. Clinton did campaign for Kerry

so I'm not sure what I think of him.

[saltpoint]

24. Yes, he did, but only some.

He had his elective surgery during the presidential campaign so he would not be an agent to his wife's not getting the nomination in '08.

I'm not saying he did not have to have the operation. I am relying on his doctor's comments that the surgery was elective in its timing.

[theboss]

33. He had a fucking bypass

It's not like he got a tummy tuck.

[saltpoint]

43. The medical perspective in Clinton's case --

-- was "selective surgery," in due course.

As I stated, the operation was necessary -- no question. The timing was what I questioned.

[NVMojo]

48. Crusoe, I agree with you. I think Hillary made him select that week

to do it ....to put distance between them and Kerry.

[saltpoint]

53. It had been whispered here and there in DC --

-- and on some of the blogs.

Hillary's bid for the White House would have been greatly hampered by a Kerry-Edwards win.

Dubya is a disaster for democracy, but her wait is down to 4 years and not a potential 8 for Kerry and then another potential 8 more for Edwards.

No clinical proof, but that's one rumor out there along the Potomac.

[theboss]

57. That's the rumor on right-wing blogs.

And I still can't see how you can justify arguing that Clinton should have ignored the ticking time bomb in his chest and spent a week in Columbus pressing flesh for Kerry.

[saltpoint]

72. I argue it simply because his surgery --

-- was necessary, yes, but imminently urgent, no.

That's what the docs said at the press conference.

Argue with their analysis of his health if you want.

As to right wing blogs: I don't read them or participate in them. You inaccuractly isolate the range of rumor in American political life.

[zann725]

80. Yeah, me too. He came into the game late enough to be the hero...

but not early enough to truly help.

And even his comments today really don't surprise me...since I never considered Clinton a real "Dem." He always seemed like a Remocrat to me. Even aside from his "affairs," I always basically mistrusted him. Something about him reminded me of a 'weasal.' I had to turn the volume down on the TV every time he was on...much like I had to with Reagan and the two Shrubs...'cause what he was saying just never "felt" true.

Though he IS charismatic...will hand him that. Though "charming" is not what I look for in a Politician. Give me real 'substance' any day.

So I'm not surprised at his recent alignment with Shrub...and lining-up of Hillary for '08.

[NVMojo]

this is the best explanation ever, he owes Hillary!!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one.

That's Clinton's opinion. It isn't mine.

[liam97]

14. good one

and yes, its for Hillary but its not going to work

[bush_is_wacko]

64. This is what I've said all along

I won't vote for Hillary. No way, no how. She may be a smart woman, but I don't think she represents my opinions and I don't think she is electable. And I am sick of seeing Bill cozying up to the Bush's.

The thought has occurred to me that this entire farce of Clinton cozying up, Kerry conceding so early, is all in an effort to "protect the public" from breaking out in civil disobedience. Civil disobedience could make it easier for terrorists to attack. the government would have to take it's eye off of the Iraq ball and mass chaos would break out. Our government isn't even communicating effectively from within. How the heck would they be able to coordinate efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, the Ukraine, AND America?

Now there's a real :tinfoilhat: kinda theory for the one who started this post!

[Twist_U_Up]

9. pretty fucked up

this truely is bizarro world

[Catherine Vincent]

10. I know, I hate that he said it.

Does he know about Ohio or is he ignoring it? What about republicans owning the electronic voting machines?

[Patsy Stone]

11. Why are we here? n/t

[IndyPriest]

32. Thanks, Patsy. I needed that! n/t

[seito]

40. You will find your answer here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=230586&mesg_id=230671&page=

[fearnobush]

13. He also said, "I did not have sexual relations with that young woman."

So, I shall reserve judgement until D-day.

[Clark2008]

15. No - I'm thinking he just hasn't looked into the evidence

The corporate media isn't reporting it and I'm doubting the Big Dawg has a whole lotta time to spend searching for it on the Internet(s).

However, I would like to hear what Al Gore has to say about it.

Besides - I'm not a conspiracy believer. I simply want an investigation to that we have audited voting machines that contain paper trails, I want to stop voter suppression and I want to see every vote count. I don't have high hopes for a Kerry inauguration, but I would like to see the neo-cons frog-marched out of the White House for sticking it to the voters. I'll put up with Hastert for a couple of years until the people vote the facists out of office.

[euler]

17. He's in on the whole thing.

He was hypnotized by the fundies midway through his second term.

[slay]

18. If Clinton WAS part of the conspiracy to keep Kerry out of the WH..

...would you believe it? No. You have already made up your mind. I don't care about the conspiracy theories. But there is more than enough proof of election fraud and we the people deserve an investigation. Perhaps Bill thinks it is in the best interest of the country to move on despite election fraud. Ever think of that?

[Pam-Moby]

23. Well yes that has crossed my mind-But that all n/t

[saracat]

46. So he thinks a little fraud is best to be ignored in the best interests

of the country? How can Bush or a stolen election ever be in the best interests of the country? I believe we proved in 2000 that we should have had a civil war if necessarry in order to protect the vote! Screw Clinton. .

[slay]

73. I agree, and we must stop election fraud now, or it will continue

Unfortunately our media seems deathly afraid to even consider the possibility of election fraud. That's the part that should bother everyone. Whether it happened or not, why will NO media organization even investigate? We deserve an investigation.

[Raksha]

19. I don't know what to think about it...

...but the high opinion I've always had of him just took a nosedive.

[liam97]

20. Lets write to Hillary

and say sayonara apropos those comments

[understandinglife]

21. http://www.redefeatbush.com/ (n/t)

[IndyPriest]

25. Lots of people believe Bush won. What's your point?

That Clinton knows something we don't? That if it comes from the mouth of Clinton (no jokes...) it's gospel? :shrug:

Clinton has a right to his opinion, uninformed as it may be.

[saracat]

27. Clinton said that? If he did and I don't doubt you, I will NEVER support

anything he does again. It will be over, finito. I will set fire to his book! Centrism has helped ruin the Democratic Party and there he sits with the archbastard Poppy. I have had it. I am checking out this statement, just to be fair and then throwing out all Clinton memorabilia! Proves ANYONE that supported and continues support of the DLC can't be trusted.This makes me soooo mad!

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[proud2BlibKansan]

100. He said it

I heard him say it.

[IndyOp]

28. Bill lost me when we failed to life economic sanctions in Iraq --

leading to the deaths of 100,000's of children. Today he showed up with Pappy Bush to ask people to donate money to the fund to help victims of the tsunami. When do you think ex-presidents will ask us all to donate money to people around the world whose lives have been destroyed by the war criminal-presidents who have held office since 1980? 1950? And, remember agent orange and depleted uranium are the gifts that keep on giving for generations!

:grr:

[Pithy Cherub]

29. Depends on the definition of what won is...

He is entitled to say what he wants - doesn't mean there is a requirement to say that's is the final word!

Investigate fully and fairly, that is all that's being asked. Then let the evidence speak for itself.

[Carolab]

30. Depends on

what the definition of "fair and square" is.

It isn't cheating if you don't inhale.

[seabeyond]

31. he also said at the library he is the only guy that likes both bush

and kerry. he also didnt stand up for gore in 2000 when we knew florida was fucking gore

he has on many occassions supported bush for example bush going to iraq and giving us lies and he validated bush decision. did it while kerry was running too, dont remember the specifics.

so why clinton did this, what is motive is, i dont know, i dont care. i havent trust clinton ever. he was a good president, but certainly did things i didnt agree with. not a huge fan. but i dont trust him either

and doesnt convince me

[anamandujano]

41. and he signed the bill that led to the press being a repuke

propaganda arm--happily, as I read recently

He sucks, pure and simple.

[Helga Scow Stern]

49. Yeah, my dad, was a dentist who saw a lot of poor people and he hated

Clinton for what he did to welfare. He loved the sex scandal though.

I personally didn't trust Clinton from the moment I first saw his face on the cover of Newsweek with Hillary.

[NVMojo]

52. and he was a draft dodger, no matter what, Bush and Clinton never

served in a war. Kerry did and got smeared nationally for it, just like McCain did. This is a sick crew....

[theboss]

58. Well, let's break out every right-wing talking point while we're at it...

Why not blame oral sex in junior high hallways on Clinton too?

[Helga Scow Stern]

76. Whatever. He may as well be a Republican at this point.

[EFerrari]

Never underestimate Bill Clinton. You didn't hear the

subordinate clause he didn't say out loud.

"if you figure that Republican machines run by Republican fatcats gave the vote to the Dim Son. And now I'm on the disaster trail, so they can't completely co-opt it. Sure, Bush won faaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiir and square."

Give me a break. Don't you hear some judicious outright LYING when you hear it?

lol

[Diane R]

34. A bush presidency helps Hillary

I thought I remembered that one of the reasons Kerry conceded is that he was given the word by some major democrats they would not support him contesting the election. (Perhaps I am wrong about that; if I am, someone please correct me).

I thought at the time that the 'major democrats' would include the Clintons. I honestly think they see bush's 're-election' as an advantage for Hillary.

Truthfully, I like Bill and I thought he was a good President. But, I have become disillusioned with the both of them. I think they are very focused on getting Hillary into the White House.

[Erika]

35. Clinton is the world's politician

He's gotten both Bushs' eating off his lap.

Clinton is a master the world won't again see. I watched him denigrate a reporter using velvet gloves. The reporter said "Shouldn't have Bush acted before 4 days?". Clinton responded "why are you talking about this when thousands are dead?"

He makes both Bush's look the novices they are.

He plays a chess game we can't see.

[IndyPriest]

37. Shit, another hit-and-run. Damn, I'm going to have to catch

these faster! :spank:

[suffragette]

70. Thanks for pointing that out

I didn't catch it until you posted this.
Seem to be quite a few of these today.

[SnoopDog]

38. You all forget that the the Dems ...

and Repubs are the same party... They all just want money and power and 'screw everybody else'.

[burn the bush]

39. I've always thought that if they actually get to dig into voter fraud

that they would find both sides participated. though obviously the pugs really went to a new level with it this time. As much as I like Clinton, I have always thought that he has secrets that he needs to keep. No special reasons just feelings.
For him to have mentioned it, means that they are very concerned about us. They have been trying to slam us in the media and now this? It may be that we are onto just the tip of the ol iceberg, as they say, of a whole big mess. You don't think the Clintons would miss the bus for the new world order do ya?:eyes:

[seabeyond]

45. i felt this a couple weeks ago really strongly.

just yelled out what are the dems hiding. i dont give it shit what party is doing what. screw them all, i want it all on the table. we will start a whole new party. but screw clinton telling me everything wwas fair when we saw with our own eyes and so much suggestion of other things that all was NOT fair

[NVMojo]

42. The DLC Gods have spoken. They want us to get over it.

They are working hand in hand with the Repukes to create a one-party nation. Call me a liar. Just wait and see.

[anaxarchos]

44. He should have inhaled. n/m

[AgadorSparticus]

87. a shitload of people NEED TO inhale. pop some pills. run a mile.

have sex. whatever. but this world would be a hell of a lot nicer to live in if they did.

[Last Lemming]

47. The good guys have a plan

Clinton is a part of it, but I'll be damned if I can figure out exactly where it's going.

[theboss]

50. It's leading to a Bush speech on Jan 20

A lot of people are really close to have their hearts broken twice in three months.

[Freddie Stubbs]

60. A lot of people should have listened to the saner voices

rather than believing those who told them what they wanted to hear.

[berniew1]

51. Obviously no one bothered to send Clinton documentation: serious mistake

Clinton still has a lot of influence and Media power; it was an extremely serious mistake not sending him documentation of the widespread voter suppression and vote machine fraud in Ohio, Florida, and New Mexico. Its obvious one can't depend on the media to do it.
For example:
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[glitch]

67. You are relentless - keep up the good work! nt

[barbaraann]

54. Clinton--best Republican President ever.

That's my opinion.

[seabeyond]

55. who expected anything from clinton. i didnt

i am not suprised. the senate and reps and every other dem is saying it is fair. so...........

they are wrong

i dont know the game, ........maybe sometime in history we will know

[Jim Sagle]

56. Clinton ain't nuthin' but Joe Lieberman in bib overalls. Fuck'm.

[Silverhair]

61. Simple explanation. That is what he believes.

Outside of DU and similar sites, everybody believes that W actually did win. Even some DUers think the same thing, but they have learned that if thay say that here, they will be badly flamed.

That is why I extremely doubt that any senator will issue a challenge on Jan 6. They all think that he really won, and they don't want to be seen as internet conspiracy kooks.

[Erika]

62. Maybe Clinton Wishes to Be Known As the Good Guy

beloved by the world, while Bush is a total -----up, seen as just that.

[Vinnie From Indy]

66. Well, I would say this about that!

There are a multitude of theories that could explain Clinton's statement. It could be that the "operation" was really an opportunity for Rove & Co. to implant a controlling device in his brain and now they have their very own presidential puppet. I don't believe that, but it makes great fodder.

I personally think that now that he isn't President, he is much freer to start dating again and that probably has kept him from really diving into the vote fraud issue. Did you notice his multi-colored hippie friendship bracelet? I wonder if there is a special someone that asked him to wear it on TV as a secret sign that only they know about.

[rucky]

68. What if he's wrong? I guess we'll never know. n/t

[Erika]

75. Maybe One needs to simplify the direction between Clinton & Bush

Clinton led us into peace and prosperity. Where has Bush led us and who has profited from his warmongering?

That is the defference between a man who knows how to bring peace and one who knows how to bring war. Guess which one I would take?

[Vadem]

69. I swear to G_d, I actually think he is!!!! He is one of the DLC leaders!!!

Those of us who hate the DLC were very disappointed to realize that Clinton was one of their major cheerleaders! Dear Lord, we liberals cringe at this display, even though we love Bill, and as we have found out later, he was one of the Democratic Leadership Council members! You're right; Bill, with all of his centrist proclivities, have disappointed many, many, liberals! He was the only Democrat we had! So what the hell are we supposed to do???? Really, we just cringe and pray for some liberal to rescue us! Right! I really believe that Bill and Hillary are liberals, BUT, cannot acknowledge that fact, due to the political fallout that would be inherent to them if they indicated the slightest liberal proclivity.....thus, they act as if they are fu**ing conservatives....and it drives me crazy!!!!

[theboss]

74. Found out later that he was in the DLC?

Was I the only person conscious in 1992?

[vpigrad]

71. I think I know why he did it.

A county DNC chairman told me that Clinton probably whored-out himself in support of Bush in exchange for Bush's support for Clinton as the next head of the UN. Normally I discount theories like that, but this guy has been right every time I heard him say something like that.

In other words, Clinton is putting himself ahead of the party. The guy is great except for his tendency to do that.

[slay]

77. Is possible - I put nothing past these power hungry money grubbing whores

:mad:

[marcologico]

82. that would also explain that Tsunami relief committee co-chair appointment

with EX-CIA CHIEF George I :mad:

[seabeyond]

81. well lets see if that happens, cause this makes the most sense

i can see bush doing it and i could see clinton doing it

[Florida_Geek]

78. Hillary in 08 is the only answer

IMHO

[gmoses]

84. & he did not have sexual relations with that woman

[Firespirit]

86. Evidently Conyers hasn't met with him.

From what I've been reading, the Senators and Congressmen who've looked at his report have been completely unable to discredit it.

I do hope that this doesn't sway any Senators who were on the fence. The facts in an investigative report should speak louder than the words of an uninformed person--but still. I wish he'd kept his mouth shut.

And yeah, I agree, this is about Hillary. Every public thing Clinton does is done with an eye for the political import, and the fact is that if an investigation proves fraud took place, Kerry's automatically the frontrunner. Clinton is bound to know it.

I don't agree with all that Hillary has done (or failed to do), but I admire her as a strong woman. However, if she does run, I'm not likely to support her in the primaries. Some things are more important than politics.

[Erika]

89. It was great to see the Bushs' licking Clinton's pants for scraps

I have a feeling if Hillary chooses to do so she can increase it by ten fold.

[genieroze]

90. What do you conspiracy "believers" have to say about that?

He voted for NAFTA and GATT, that's what I have to say about that. Clinton was and is a centrist AKA Republican Lite not Republican Reich like *. There are moderates and even some conservatives I can agree with on some things, both Democrat and Republican. I think Clinton is to the left of someone like Lieberman but far to the right of someone like Kucinich. I didn't vote for Clinton I voted for Perot. When the Republicans say Perot took away votes from them it's a lie. Perot is a liberal populist he took votes away from Clinton.

http://www.issues2000.org/Ross_Perot.htm

[seabeyond]

91. i voted for perot. didnt trust clinton

and no way to bush 1. i voted for clinton the second time because of what the republicans did to him. now if you listen to him talk about what the repugs did to him, he doesnt go after them with that. and i saw what the repugs were doing was stomping on the constitution and totally abusing their power and so wanted clinton to rip into them and he never did. acted like it was just all part of the game. i am not into that kind of a game with our constitution. is this stealing of the election merely part of the game for clinton too

[Erika]

93. Ask yourself that question

W was a rich boy of parents who had ties with Saudia Arabia.

Clinton was a poor boy who had to depend on himself.

[slay]

92. No politician wants it to come out that they KNEW about election fraud

and have done nothing to stop it. That is why he said what he did. He's covering his ass, as well as the ass of the Democratic party. Also, I think Bill is having some fun taunting the other side. He's quite a wicked person at heart ya know. :)

[EFerrari]

94. And that's why we love him. Smart, smart bad boy. n/t

[Erika]

95. Ah,

No one even suspected Clinton of election fraud so what are you talking about? The Bushs?

[Erika]

96. Ah, Clinton was never accused of election fraud

So what are you talking about?

[slay]

102. He will always be president of the US, so he BETTER NOT know about electio

n fraud. (Or at least he must ACT surprised.) He has an image to maintain, not just his own, but our country's. Our fragile image of America, OUR country, which God loves above all other countries ya know, might be damaged otherwise. :eyes:

[Erika]

104. What are you talking about?

Clinton was never accused of any violation or knowledge of election fraud.

Are you talking about Bush?

[Vadem]

97. Honest to G_d, I am just ready to just wring his fucking neck......

How in the hell can one POLITICIAN be so fucking clueless!!!!!! Good G_d almighty!!!!! Can that asshole!!!!

[Erika]

98. Don't talk about Bush that way

He doesn't let civil rights stand in his way. He could be five minutes away from your doorway right now. You may never be seen again. I'd send a lot of farewell emails.

[yojon]

101. He too may not want to piss off the DLC

because if he does, they will cut Hillary loose.

Who said 'none are so blind as those who will not see?'

[Erika]

103. Cut Hillary loose?

What do you mean?

[Trillo]

105. Didn't he also tell democrats, after the 2004 election, to change their

image?

Doncha just love masks? I prefer no masks.

[Erika]

107. Your point?

The Republicans are after Bush to change his image.

[Jimmy D]

106. Bill looking for a job

[Moderator]

108. Locking.

Flamebait.