Anyone notice that those who are against Senators standing up are a lot

[saracat]

more nasty,adament and far more bullying than those that hold the opposing view? Why is that I wonder? Is there a reason?

[purduejake]

1. because we're all on anti-depressants and anxiety medicine...

after 4 bad years, which makes us relatively apathetic. I'm only half kidding!

[Pachamama]

2. Yes, and mostly Newbies or w/out profiles....

Hmmm...wonder why that is? :eyes:

[saracat]

3. Hmmmmm......

[LoZoccolo]

9. Regarding newbies and those who insist on calling them out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x123856

[roenyc]

4. Paranoia will destroy ya!

I am a liberal Democrat who is a member of the progressives. ok, been a liberal since i was 5 years old in 1960. here is the thing you have got to understand. we are not sheep. we are all different.

we will have different opinions and will state them. that does not make us a troll nor does it make us a freeper or a turncoat. it makes us a democrat who perhaps doesn't think like you do.

thats all. our core beliefs are the same. but our opinions will differ in other things.

my opinion is if a senator does not stand on the 6th he will ruin his reputation with me and in my mind the is a bigger conspiracy going on and perhaps our democracy is not what it was. it will be up to us to recover it.

other democrats may not see it that way. they may look at it from the point of living with these neo-cons for the next 4 years.

me i look at it as a sign of character. but hell i have been accused of working for Karl rove. so if that is so anyone on this site is suspect.

it must stop. you must work together. united you stand divided you fall. allow people to express differing opinions without accusations or else you will find your selfs no better then democrat freepers.

[bemis12]

5. I hate it when they

start threads calling the fraud believers nasty and bullying. Good thing the believers are above this.

[LoZoccolo]

6. They are probably anticipating being overrun by paranoid freaks...

...ready to break the rules in a staggering display of impotence and make them out to be part of the conspiracy in any subtle way they can. I haven't got involved in this fraud discussion much, but I do know that the coalition of the ass-sitters can run you through a ringer when your take becomes an obstacle to them (however temporary).

[meisje]

7. They can stand up, sit, down and do a focking spin for all I care

It's useless

[Chimpanzee]

8. You don't think they may be freepers, do ya?

[katinmn]

10. bullying really works with this crowd, doesn't it?

What the naysayers fail to realize is that they are actually helping the believers strengthen their conviction.

I don't like being told how to think or when to give up.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

17. Bullying at least as effective as cat herding

Liberals are somewhat like cats.

We don't respond well to being herded, unlike the neander-cons.

BTW, I know that I'm induldging in name calling.}(

[LoZoccolo]

11. There is more reason to be suspect of "FReeper witchhunters".

Why? Because I imagine these threads you speak of where people are "against Senators standing up" are really more about "not seceding from the Democratic Party". Encouraging people from not seceding from the Democratic Party is much less FReeperish than going around getting people involved in side-conflicts and witchhunts and faction-building. I'm not accusing anyone of such (because I can admit that it's not firmly established and can be explained by a difference of opinion), I'm just saying when you look at it bald-faced, there is a deep irony in where people see fit to make accusations.

[bones_7672]

12. Careful now, if you don't "toe the party line" here at DU you'll be

labeled a freeper yourself! (learned that from personal experience). I'm always amazed at peoples' ability to attack those of divergent opinions, especially on this site.

[LoZoccolo]

14. Oh I usually don't give a fuck.

Usually the peoples' opinions are too flakey and knee-jerk for me to care what they think of me. It's a tactic of the weak. They can go back and see all my posts where I try to keep the Democratic Party together and strong and compare it to the splinterism rampant on their side and see who does more damage. Of course that would require work, so it doesn't get done.

Actually, this witchhunt is probably the biggest bullying tactic, and it goes on over and over despite the fact that there's now a posted reminder permanently fixed to the top of the forum telling people to stop.

[bones_7672]

15. I still post what I believe also. I am just dismayed that here at DU

there exists elitism (ie, if you don't have at least 1000 posts you are denegrated) and if you don't share the 'majority opinion' you are castigated as a freeper. So much for free thought and diversity.

[cali]

13. We all see things through the lens of our biases

so to me the "true believers" appear far nastier and more liberal with insults than the "naysayers". Hmmm. Interesting isn't it?
And for the record, speaking only for myself, I'm not against Senators refusing to certify. I think it's an exercise in futility, and possibly counter-productive, but I can't see into the future. Maybe it would help to further the cause of election reform. And that's really all I care about, because I do think we need to revamp the electoral system. No voter should have to wait for hours to exercise their right. No one should be using electronic voting machines even with a paper trail. Optical scanners are a much safer way to go. The partisan nature of election boards makes a mockery of the process. I may not believe that fraud cost JK the election, but that doesn't mean that I don't see it as a serious problem.

[righteous1]

16. I'll take it one step further, I think it could do some real

harm to out party and chances in 06 & 08. Very little the American people despise more than a bad loser. When 10 reps stand 2 or 3 Senators protest and are short down on votes of 438-10 and 98-2 respectively It will look foolish, partisan and vindictive. Be careful what you wish for, may get your 2 hours of glory that ends up costing you for years

[rodeodance]

19. one does not need to be labeled a 'naysayer' just because they

do not think a Senator will stand up!!!!

[Jersey Devil]

18. Because those who disagree with you are inherently evil?

We also have horns, a variety of transmittable diseases and warts on the inside of our thumbs shaped, oddly enough, like "666".

Ever consider that those who think that having a senator(s) object to be a fruitless waste of time that will only endanger Democratic representatives/senators and make them all look like they are wearing Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanies may be a bit testy after constantly being called "freepers", "Naysayers" and several other clever euphemisms designed to avoid the "calling out" rule here?

[tx_dem41]

20. No, I haven't noticed that. n/t