The DNC: Call me naive, but wouldn't the DNC be crying bloody

[steve2470]

murder if someone could make a good "legal case" for election fraud ? I mean, they (I think) have the money and connections and clout to make the corporate media pay attention. Am I hopelessly naiive here, or does my question ring of some truth ?

edit: corrected spelling

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. You Must Mean The RNC

The democrats obviously have no balls. If it was the repubs who got screwed, you wouldn't be able to walk down the street without hearing how those cheating, deceitful democrats stole the election from the honorable Shrub.

[genieroze]

2. No they are delusional. They think they are exempt, that the pukes

would NEVER do anything so sleazy. Ahem, wait until 2006 when they pull this again. When the majority of Dem's are replaced with Reich Wing Neocons then they will complain. Guess what Bozo's, too late. Democracy will be dead, right now it's on life support and the pukes are waiting to pull the plug and urinate on what's left of the Constitution.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

6. Do you think they've been put over a barrel?

Their silence is WAY too surreal, imo,and it seems to me they are being blackmailed or in some way threatened...

[genieroze]

11. Na, they think they are above it all. Look what happened to

Daschle. They are next unless they take their heads out of their butts and get rid of these electronic rigging machines.

[emcguffie]

33. amen to that. n/t

[bemis12]

3. Of course they would

They like winning elections. It's what they are there for.

[Chili]

27. no they wouldn't

Not a single senator raised a finger to help Gore in Florida when there was a better chance and a more solid argument to contest it. And any noise from the DNC was timid and compromising. And back to the Senators - I'm not talking about when they didn't stand when the CBC contested it - Gore had already determined that he would go no further, and he probably made that known to his Senate colleagues. I'm talking about during the 36 days of recounting and lawsuits and countersuits. Republicans swarmed down to Florida to support a Governor who supposedly had no ties to Washington; but not a single Senator went down to Florida to support Gore, a former Senator himself, and the sitting Vice President. When has the Democratic party leadership ever fought FOR ANYTHING?

No. They wouldn't. Not even to save their own party.

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Or maybe some guy named Kerry would raise a peep

Does anyone remember him?

[steve2470]

5. kick nt

[drummer55]

7. If no senator Republican or Democrat challenge this election

Then do everything you can to get the dead wood out of office immediately!

- petitions for resignations
- recall efforts
- advertisments for resignations
- no confidence petitions
- protest them every time they come back to the state
- etc

If they dont stand up for us now they will never stand up for us. This is it. This is the line in the sand. They are are either with us or they are actively against the american citizenry!

WAKE UP! There is no next time! There is no get them back in 06!


**During the Washington Supreme Court oral arguments on Governor Election, Justice Susan Owens spoke for all of us when she responded to attorney Korrel by saying...

"You're looking at it from the point of view of the winner or
the loser - shouldn't we be looking at it from the point of
view of the voter?" The lawyer was left speechless on air
for 20-30 seconds. -- Moments like this are priceless.

[cali]

18. Good Senators and Reps

should not be punished for refusing to contest the election. My rep, Bernie Sanders doesn't believe fraud cost JK the election. Neither, it appears, do my Senators, Leahy and Jeffords. All three are decent honorable guys.

Fortunately your impulse to purge the party of people like Leahy, Jeffords and Sanders, is shared only by a small minority of people.

[pgh_dem]

20. punishment of 'good senators'

At least they have folks like you who will back them no matter how little they care about voting rights or the ownership of the election system by vested republican interests.
As far as losing power and influence...what power?
The power to vote against bills that will pass anyway?
Right now they pretty much have the power to filibuster, which is valuable, but eventually backfires when (fixed) elections come around and they can be painted as obstructionists by their opponents.
As long as there are democrats like Conyers, I'll support the party.
But I'm kind of sick (just like I imagine Conyers is) of my support being taken for granted on the basis of 'at least they aren't republicans'.

[renaissanceguy]

28. Without our voting rights,

we have NOTHING. It's called fascism. And if our elected officials won't stand up for our basic right to vote and HAVE OUR VOTE COUNTED, we have nothing. Remember our elected officials are accountable to us, the voters. Just as we have the power to put them in, we have the power to take them out....until election fraud comes along, and there's nothing the voter can do.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741250

[bunny planet]

29. I agree, punishing good Senators (the few we have left ) is a little like

shooting yourself in the foot. The Republicans would like nothing more than to see Democrats lose more seats, they are after all, trying to achieve one-party government, don't help them along with that goal. Start at the local level and elect progressive Democrats. That is how the Republicans built up their party to be the machine it is today, electing extremely conservative candidates from the bottom up.

I also agree that if this fraudulent election is allowed to stand we will have a very slim chance of getting anything progressive done or prevent the right wing Republicans from doing even more damage to our country probably permanently. I do hope some Senators will decide to protest on the 6th (more than 1 or 2) along with members of the House of Representatives and send a strong message that *'s mandate is very much in question. I don't think it is as feeble a gesture as some here have stated, if the end in mind is overturning the election, that is a very long shot.

The symbolic gesture can have weight, it can put right wing idealogues on alert, we are not going to go gently into that good night. We are going to fight. I hope against hope that it happens. It will be a good jumping off point for that fight, and it is nothing less than a fight for our democracy. Sorry, I know it sounds dramatic, but it's true.

[Salomonity]

22. Recalls?

What do you mean about 'recall efforts'? You can't recall Senators and representatives. They serve a fixed term.

[drummer55]

26. Recall effort

Laws can always be changed.

[Verve]

8. Does the DNC not understand that if they don't fix elections, they will

continue to lose. Extinction is upon them if something is not done quickly!

[Peace Patriot]

9. What did you ever hear from the DNC about secret source code...

...owned by BushCon "Pioneers" running the tabulation of all our votes, with no paper trail? That's what they should have screamed bloody murder about!

Incomprehensible.

And so, they lurch from THAT catastrophic failure of leadership to THIS one: Guess what? The BushCons took full advantage of the fraudulent election system that they set up. Surprise, surprise! But don't investigate, don't mention it, don't respond to constituents who are furious about it, don't use the "fraud" word, don't give any legal fund donations back to the saps who contributed them on election night, duck for cover, and protect your little fiefdom in BushWorld.

They do make me angry. They do.

[Junkdrawer]

12. "Sit tight and shut up, and we'll let you champion some 'worthy causes'...

cross us and you'll be marginalized, voted out or worse"

The message could not be clearer and it need not be delivered in person. The Object Lessons litter the sides of the political road.

[steve2470]

10. email the DNC, get them to speak up...

http://www.democrats.org/contact/

[Snivi Yllom]

13. it's that damn silly logic getting in the way again

of a perfectly bad unproven out there conspiracy.

The DNC will proclaim a stolen election right after they take up this cause:

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

[Not a Sheep]

14. It's a good question.......

.... and I think you are right you specifically say "if someone could make a good "legal case" for election fraud".

We have all read about a lot of evidence of wrongdoing and possible fraud but it does seem that many of those who could make the corporate media pay attention don't feel the evidence is strong enough.

Thankfully we have Conyers and Jackson pushing the issue.

[The Judged]

15. Not when the DNC leadership is controlled by the Republicans of the DLC!

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Unfortunately, you don't begin with a "good legal case".

You take the disparate anomolies, you gnaw on them a bit, worry at them like a puppy with a piece of rope. Do that long enough, and something will unravel.

Watergate did not being with a "good legal case". It began with a piece of electrician's tape on a door lock. A common burglary, like any of the dozens of others in DC that night.

The DNC is apparently looking at the tape, and saying "It's just a piece of tape. These things happen."

People who link seemingly disparate facts and come to a disturbing conclusion are called conspiracy theorists. The DNC wants to avoid that lable.

Even if, as evidenced by a piece of black electrical tape, conspiracies do exist.

[MarkusQ]

17. The same reason they were all over Watergate?

Or, for that matter that the Republicans were all over Tammany Hall? Or that they'd all be up in arms about corporate influence peddling under the guise of "lobbying"? Politicians seem to always turn a blind eye to the corruption of other politicians, or of the system, until it is clear that one specific set of bad guys is going down.

Then they loudly decry those specific bad guys and quietly ignore the rest.

--MarkusQ

[steve2470]

19. kick nt

[helderheid]

21. I could be wrong but my theory

is that the Dems are almost as corrupt as the Repubs - corporate bought and paid for. Exposing the Repubs could end up exposing all the corruption in the Dem party as well. Am I alone in this thinking?

[pgh_dem]

23. not all dems, just the DLC

i think the 'liberal' wing of the dem party ought to join up with the greens and form a new 'progressive democratic party'. the rest of them could call themselves the 'probusiness democratic party', or just 'asskissers'.

[helderheid]

24. I agree

but the party itself (DLC) is pretty corrupt. We have a corporate owned government.

I am a registered Democrat and a part of the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus because I feel any real change must be achieved from within the Dem Party, but I am quite disgusted with most of the party itself. I think those in power at the DLC don't want their corruption exposed and therefore aren't interested in exposing it anywhere else.

[sunnystarr]

30. No you're not alone. (nt)

[Cocoa]

25. if it could change the election in dems' favor

like in Washington State.

[mikelewis]

31. Dear DNC: First/Last Time Democrat

This is the letter I have sent to the DNC. The (Do Nothing Committee). I am done with these cowards. Who stood up for us? The DNC, no. The Glibs. They were the ones who listened to us. They were the ones who stood up for our rights while the DNC, in a most cowardly fashion, did nothing. I have nothing but disgust for them.

Many of you are hoping for a Democratic Senator to stand up but they will not. Many of you are thinking there is some secret plot by the Democrats to win back this country, there is not. On Jan. 20th, when that evil mother-fucker gets out of his limo and walks up to the podium and pisses all over our Constitution, what will you think then. You can hold out hope or you can fight. But to fight, you need people who are willing to fight alongside you. The DNC are not those people.

The Green and Libertarians have shown that they do care what the people think. They have won my support. Fuck the DNC.



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It has become clear to me over the past few weeks that the 2004 election was comprimised by fraud and by intentional disenfranchisement. This issue directly affected me as my vote was tossed in the garbage.

Prior to this election, I had not voted. I did not believe it mattered. After speaking with several people from the Democratic party and listening to your candidate John Kerry, I decided to register and to vote. I see now that this was a complete waste of time on my part.

I have been reviewing what had transpired on Nov 2nd and frankly I am appalled. It is clear that this election was subject to an extreme amount of fraudulent tampering. Congressman Conyers has sited many cases and others still have cried fraud. But unfortunately, you, at the DNC, feel that this in not an issue that requires your attention. One would think that since it directly affects you, you would be more willing to stand up and be heard on this issue. But, your silence speaks volumes.

I would like to thank those in your organization that showed me the importance of voting. I will continue to do so but I will not vote for another Democrat nor will I speak to any in your party again. You have proven yourselves to be cowardly and weak and I do not support cowardice or weakness when it comes to my country.

I felt it necessary to write you and explain how I feel. I have watched your organization lose to fraud on 3 occasions and each time you sat down in a most cowardly fashion. You offered me a candidate that promised to fight for America and make her strong again. You delivered someone who cuts and runs without a fight. You should be ashamed. I realize, you will not be ashamed and this letter will be thrown into the same trash bin that my vote was tossed. Like my vote, my opinion is meaningless.

But, it will not remain meaningless. I have considerable resources and contacts, I will be shifting the focus of my efforts to support Libertarian candidates. Because of you, I am joining the political process. But also, because of you and your unwillingness to stand up to blantant criminal activity, I will be joining the political process and support your opposition.

[McCamy Taylor]

32. The DNC takes contributions from the same guys who own the RNC

[PATRICK]

34. The very very weak contest

by the Democrats against the fraud has enabled the most outrageous stupid justification for the Bush "victory" and the "success" of the voting conditions(Ohio). Worse than 2000, the fine tuning of a very Big Lie is something that can't even be done by the other side, so outrageous is the size of the fraud, is left to the more attuned acquiescence of the Democrats. So bad is the behavior of the party in even getting at the truth that it invites and enables bigger crimes than we can even imagine were we not fighting- alone- the real battles.

Who will fizzle out first? Sympathetic legislators who sort of get the picture or the activists making runs at the Fraud Wall of bureaucracy and criminality below?

Considering the leadership(with US training and backing) of the Ukraine challenger, the relevance of the party support for saving democracy is itself a complicitous supporter of fraud. Another wall we hardly have the heart to storm so dumb and ill advised is its suicidal, nerveless betrayal.

When the DNC takes proper responsibility for its fatal errors, cowardice or plain old mistakes it would decapitate itself before daring to criticize anyone else at all.

[steve2470]

35. kick nt