post your fave fantasy about who will contest

[stellanoir]

the certification of the electors in the Senate on Thursday.

After all the phone calls made and e-mails sent. . .this thread is intended to be mostly whimsical. . .

My "bestest" picks in the world of possibilities would be for a minimum of four-five Senators to contest and they would be. . .

Biden (potential future candidate)
Boxer (female from liberal state)
Byrd (feisty southerner)
Chafee (eccentric yet moderate republican) &
Obama (potentially high minded and soulful upstart?)

That would really cover the spectrum quite nicely and yes I am a deluded opitimist.

FYI: I'm wearing flame retardant clothing and again. . .this is intended to be whimsical.

[Walt Starr]

1. If we're living out the contested election fantasy, then Frist

because there's as much of a chance of Frist contesting it as anybody else in the Senate.

[Mirwib]

60. Kerry should contest it.

[bemis12]

2. Can Cheney?

As president of the Senate?

[stellanoir]

3. wow you guys have really great imaginations

I thought for sure someone would say all the Dems but never imagined anyone would say Frist or Cheney. Too funny.

[satya]

4. My fantasy--all the Dems + McCain n/t

[ClassWarrior]

17. I like the idea of all the Dems, one by one, standing...

...but McCain The Joke would never do it. He's too much of a freaking cartoon.

NGU.

[Vektor]

53. Me too!

See #49!

[Broken Acorn]

5. Chuck Hagel

right before he indicts himself for his Nebraska stolen election.

[emcguffie]

6. Lautenberg.

I know what's his name won't, he's going to run for gov.

[JoMama49]

8. Can I throw in a fantasy headline in the MSM if even one

Senator contests?

How about this:

BUSH'S VOTES NOT CERTIFIED AMID CLAIMS OF VAST ELECTION FRAUD!!!


Now, someone else can write the story, or how about some more fantasy headlines?

[dalloway]

10. what's his name (aka Corzine) just might

He's gonna run for governor, yes. But he is ethical to the core. Voted against the Iraq resolution. Fights for National health care. As I wrote in my letter to him, after standing up against *, coming back to NJ and cleaning up the corruption that has become this state's political middle name will be a piece of cake.

[emcguffie]

24. Have you spoken to Corzine's office?

Does anyone have any indication of where he is on this? I called and yelled and wrote so long ago, of course I have to do it again. Especially if it is a possibility. Is it really?

I agree with you that it would be a feather in his cap, but it's just like the Democratic Party these days, they seem to see this all so differently than we do. Like in a parallel universe.

[dalloway]

48. Just got off the phone with Corzine's office

I had faxed a few days ago but hadn't called so I figured, what the heck, let's see what the good Senator is thinking.

She said the Senator just got back in the office yesterday and hasn't issued a statement. They've been getting lots of calls (she sounded very upbeat) and is MEETING WITH LAUTENBERG RIGHT NOW as I type. So call!!

Corzine, Jon - (D - NJ) Class I
502 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: corzine.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Lautenberg, Frank - (D - NJ) Class II
324 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: lautenberg.senate.gov/webform.html

[emcguffie]

50. thanks. n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. Oh I completely forgot about him. I used to be a constituent.

Off to write him a note.

[Pacifist Patriot]

41. This is what I just sent to Corzine.

Dear Senator Corzine,

I am no longer one of your constituents but I was a resident of New Jersey from February 2001 to August 2002. I was impressed with your service to the state.

Today I am writing to urge you to stand with Rep. Conyers on Thursday to challenge the slate of electors based on the concrete evidence of vote suppression and compelling indications of vote manipulation presented to congress on December 8, 2004. The forum focused on OH, but citizens have filed complaints in FL, NM, PA and other states not to mention the glaring computer errors in NC.

Whether we are experiencing a concerted effort to control the outcome, isolated instances of fraud, lack of training, good faith human error, poor planning for unexpected voter turnout, a lack of funds, flawed software, vulnerable computer networks or some combination of the above; Americans deserve to know for certain that every vote counts and every vote is counted. Our nation cannot serve as a shining example of democracy if it cannot fulfill that responsibility to its own electorate.

I realize the difficulty with respect to potentially initiating a "constitutional crisis," but would remind the Senator that the U.S. has not only survived several severe internal conflicts in its history, but remaining silent with respect to election irregularities would result in a far greater crisis in the future.

Please remember that:

It is the affirmative duty of each and every member of Congress to personally judge the validity of presidential electors based on any information they have at hand.

States have no "right" to have electoral votes counted and many slates of electors have been disallowed in the past -- particularly after the Civil War.

The Voting Rights Act makes it unlawful for minorities to receive disparate treatment by any election process -- no willful or negligent act need be found to have occurred -- a disparate circumstance or result is sufficient for violation.

In 2001 the US Commission on Civil Rights made a legal finding of just such a violation in regard to the Florida election - undisputed evidence of poll-tax-lines and registration process violations makes clear that there has not been a correction of this finding.

Senator Kerry's concession is not legally binding and has no bearing on election proceedings.

Please have the courage to stand with your democratic colleagues and challenge the election results based on the growing body of evidence which indicates the need for an extensive investigation into United States election procedures.

Regards,
---

[emcguffie]

51. great stuff.

I see you found the Democracy for America info?

I'm going to a meet-up tomorrow night with a group that is very up in arms about the election. South Orange.

[Pacifist Patriot]

57. I'm not sure where I got the bullet points.

If they are related to "the dean people" site that amaryllis links to than probably yes. I think I used that information.

Good luck with your meeting. I'm not seeing much meet-up activity in my area of Central Florida.

[bunny planet]

12. Me too. After all Frank's the one that called them all Chickenhawks on the

Senate floor, even had a poster with a picture of a Chickenhawk and it's definition. He's got a set, I just hope he brings it with him on Thursday.

[emcguffie]

29. will he? Have you talked to his office? n/t

[bunny planet]

38. I'm calling today. I've already emailed and written letters.

No response yet.

[bear425]

7. I just got off the phone with Biden's office...

The message taker, Tim, said that he is getting many calls in support of standing with Conyers, but JB hasn't issued a statement, yet. Of course, I didn't expect to get his statement, just wanted to have my stand on the issue relayed to him.

I wonder who else on this thread has made any calls?

edit: left out a word -

[JoMama49]

9. I FAXED Senator Biden a letter yesterday --

it went through fine, so I know they received it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. No call, but I wrote him.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

11. Jeff, from SURVIVOR, after disembarking from a heliocopter, and

with the real Ohio votes in his hollowed-out bongo drum or whatever it is.

[stellanoir]

14. Huh ?

[drpdx]

13. Patty Murray from Washington

That election was as screwed up as the presidential one, except in WA the BAD GUY LOST. Patty Murray stands up for fair elections everywhere!!! And I really hope it's Robert Byrd.

[stellanoir]

15. I truly like the

Lautenberg and Corzine suggestions.

Beyond that, I guess my imagination has just kicked in as well. I'm hoping for aliens to descend upon the Senate and they will reveal to the legislature who's really in charge. This will cause Cheney's "robo heart" to suddenly short circuit a la "Mosh" and then the chambers will be stormed by a bunch of black hoodies.

Then we can all say. "Hooray."

[ClassWarrior]

16. Me... running down the aisle in slow motion... shouting...

"I CONTEST THIS IMMORAL, CRIMINAL MIS-ADMINISTRATION** (with the two asterisks)!!!!!"

Oh, not that kind of fantasy...

NGU.

[Blue State Blues]

18. Sam Seaborne (West Wing)

If it's a fantasy, why not a fictional character. ;) He'd be eloquent to be sure.

[Quakerfriend]

19. My fantasy is that

Kerry will surprise us and come thru the double doors at the last minute and all of the dems will stand up with him!:loveya:

[davidinalameda]

20. that is a fantasy

will Kerry even be there

[NickiWitch]

21. It sure is a nice one...

but I don't think he's going to be in the country that day. :(

[ClassWarrior]

23. Hi... Got your wardrobe for Thursday yet?

<LOL>

NGU.

[NickiWitch]

27. Still looking for the blue pasties! n/t

[ClassWarrior]

30. Good luck.

NGU.

[theboss]

22. Paris Hilton

Contesting an election? That's hot.

[glitch]

25. All of them, & some reps what's the point of having a half-ass fantasy? nt

[stellanoir]

42. "what's the point of having a half-ass fantasy?"

Just to relieve a little tension and never underestimate the power of group visualizations. Just think of the "group think" that hooked everyone (the media and the administration) to fantasize that Iraq had WMD's, was a threat, and had a link to 9/11. Total BS can indeed effect the collective consciousness truly.

[glitch]

46. I meant if you're going to have a fantasy make it BIG

That's why I said mine was for all the Dems to stand and some Reps too (even in my wildest fantasy I couldn't see all the Reps standing).
I completely agree about what you are trying to do with the collective conscious here. Maybe even the collective unconscious, if we're lucky.
I didn't mean your thread was half-assed! :hi:

[stellanoir]

56. gotcha and thanks

I think we all have to share in mutual support when we all inevitably and periodically get disheartened from time to time. Especially given the absolute beast that we're up against.

Best to you !!!

[TrustingDog]

54. and throw in Luke Skywalker and Red Sonya.

[The Gigmeister]

26. The Ghost of Senator Wellstone.

Yes...Someone did post that. (Not literally, but hoping his ghost would pursuade someone to commit political suicide and contest the vote). I wish I had book-marked it.

[Quakerfriend]

28. I still feel that it's political suicide NOT to contest.

:-(

[glitch]

31. Me too, and here's why

Eventually the fraud will be known, and then even the people who don't believe it now will not forgive Kerry for not knowing about it and planning for it and standing up to it this election.

[The Gigmeister]

33. If there was fraud, Senator Kerry, above ALL ELSE, would know.

That's what I don't get about the fraudsters. Do they think Kerry made a Skull and Bones deal with Bush or what?

[The Gigmeister]

32. Well...We'll see, won't we? (Want to bet?)

No offense intended. But I'll bet the issue won't even be raised when those senators come-up for re-election...Let alone cost them their seat.

[Bill Bored]

34. Are we allowed to include Loofah Sponges? n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

35. Well as long as we're fantasizing.

Sen. Mike Mansfield

[PATRICK]

39. Well, we are talking fantasy

A dark horse presidential aspirer might go for it, someone who needs some rocket boost. Schumer?

Who else in the go for it crowd with little to fear from the electorate?
Byrd unfortunately has carried a lot of spears to no avail so far. Kennedy has nothing to lose except for his waning influence and the attack of the "liberals" argument that would be the same kind of fear as the attack on the Blacks argument in 2000 that intimidated Gore.

If Nelson loses his nerve he would be dead meat for Jeb anyway under the current Florida election scam scene. He should have gone for it on principle and could then dare the crooks to boot him out by the exposed fraud- which they will attempt if NOT backed down. Apparently nerves and brains don't abound in the go for it crowd.

I think Obama should take up the credible mantle and NOT start wheedling to the old guard's sensibilties.

Boxer or Feinstein could go for it otherwise they are locked in a hopeless contest with Hillary and the death of California election fairness.

In a wilder fantasy I see a bunch of senators concerned for the overwhelming fraud that will unseat THEM inevitably. Comfort in numbers. Maybe a GOP maverick realizing that fraud will forever keep their ambitions hopeless.

Of course the world is not crazy enough for it to be Hagel, is it? Someone(A GOP Kerry voter) suggested Specter. Might as well as suggest Frist. Or Cheney making a full confession to clear his soul before dying.

[zann725]

40. Kerry...followed by Byrd, Biden, Boxer, Jeffers, et al.

I've had the strongest intuitive impression for the past two weeks, wherein I see Kerry walking through the doors where the Electoral Vote is being read on Jan 6, and his jaw is firmly set, he looks SOOO determined...and behind him there is SUCH a swell of energy...it is literally electric. This I sense is the "support" he brings with him.

But since he's (reportedly) overseas on Jan. 6, this obviously is just an "impression," and perhaps just means that there will be strong support from others on his behalf on Jan 6.

Though in the past, he was always someone who liked the element of surprise.

[stellanoir]

43. would that that would be true. . .

that would be truly amazing !

I agree though, let's hope your vision is symbolic of him (and we the people) receiving overwhelming support.

[evolvenow]

44. Everyone stands up, the election is overturned, followed by a "perp walk

of historical magnitude" of all of the B*sh regime. The troops are withdrawn, humane support instead of weapons are distributed, peace spreads throughout the world...
ooh.. and everyone gets a freedom cupcake!

It is gonna get interesting....:party:

[stellanoir]

45. even better !!!

Then maybe we can start a "united serfs of america" party.

Woo Hoo !

[glitch]

47. The best fantasy yet! nt

[Vektor]

49. I already did! (A DEMOCRAT'S WET DREAM)

Good, good times.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=230283&mesg_id=231289

[glitch]

52. LOL again! nt

[henslee]

55. Wanna borrow my suit?

[Carolab]

58. Thanks for ignoring DAYTON

of the great Wellstone state

[stellanoir]

59. Sorry

Just can't keep track of all 100 of 'em. Used to live in MN too, and loved it. But it's been kind of hard to focus on MN since Wellstone's passing and Jesse's political demise. We'll take the help wherever we can get it though. Hope Dayton jumps on board as well.

Best to you!

[Bill Bored]

61. Here's how it's SUPPOSED to work:

The reason we have these electors in the first place is to check the process. Although the people have no right to vote directly for Pres, the electors do, in case the people are just plain wrong, deceived by someone like Shrub, Satan, etc. or maybe in case there's a massive fraud in a state such as FL or OH. The electors can overturn the election if they want. In a number of states, they don't have to vote as their party tells them to, and I don't think the Constitution tells them how to vote at all. (Someone gave Conyers the list of states where this is true.)

So my fantasy is simply that they open the sealed envelopes, the Ohio and FL electors, or electors from some other states, actually voted for Kerry because they knew the elections in these states were rigged, and Kerry wins the electoral vote by a wide margin. The Senators don't have to stand up, and neither does Conyers. Kerry is inaugurated and the Republicans start their massive media campaign to amend the Constitution to do away with the Electoral College.

How's that for a fantasy? There's no Loofah Sponges in it, but it's pretty cool, huh?

[dobegrrrl]

62. Byrd - Have you read "Losing America" I have faith in him

Bigger fantasy -- Delay is knocked in the head and stands up and admits the fraud.
Ha ha ha

[stellanoir]

63. Some guy

at the Conyer's hearing on (I think it was 12/15) that the electors were not necessarily legally committed to vote for a winner take all system per state. The Congress people at the hearing were taken aback and even Conyer's said," Well we'll have to look into that."

Have never heard a word since that. It's curious though.

[DemGirl7]

64. My fantasy involves...

Byrd and Obama being the first ones to stand with Conyers, then making a fiery speeches about how the rest of the democrats should join in and the wrongs of the Bush administration, and then realizing that they are right. All of democrats in congress stand up one by one, and walk down to join them, and the Bush Administration falls to pieces before our very eyes. With DeLay, Frist, and Cheney trying to sneak out, but are caught by guards and are hauled off to jail... the end.

[Bill Bored]

65. kick and read posts 61 and 63. Anyone know if electors were approached? nt