Kennedy won't challenge

[whalerider55]

Just got off the phone from Senator Kennedy's office. I am a constituent.

I encouraged him to stand with Conyers.
His aide told me that Kennedy expects that the election will be certified.

when I asked him whether Kennedy intends to stand up and make the challenge, he said NO. No as in, NO. No as in go with the flow NO.
NO as in MLK you do things because they are right, not expedient, NO.
NO as in NO. NO as in the Liberal Lion of the Senate follows up his refusal to challenge '00 vote, then get snookered on no child left behind so he knows what a lyin' thief pippy is, NO.


I told him i was disappointed.
Also asked why they had not responded to two e-mails. he told me they get tens of thousands a week, and that nthey rarely respond to them. then he told me they were spammed and lost my e=mail with a raft of credit card offers.

whalerider55

[bear425]

1. Funny, when I called, they said he has not yet issued a statement. n/t

[whalerider55]

7. tell that to his aide

i was pretty aggressive in pressing for a followup about the senators intentions when he told me Teddy "expects the election to be certified". Maybe I caught him off guard. Maybe Teddy intends to stand up but won't announce it.

but i doubt that.
spoke with his DC office around four PM

whalerider55
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[bear425]

14. Yes, me too. I have been going in alphabetical order and got

to him about 4, too! Perhaps, you were more aggressive. I'm getting kinda tired.

[whalerider55]

2. you mean ted kennedy? Brother of Robert?

He isn't challenging the election on the basis that it needs to be investigated? That ted kennedy?

i'm shocked. shocked.

whalerider55

[fooj]

8. Logic tells me that declaring yourself before the 6th...

would be a mistake. Lets just wait and see what Thursday brings...I know patience is a tough one right now...but I believe it is the wisest choice. Ours is a moral and just cause. For now, this is what sustains me.


WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???:think: :think: :think:

[whalerider55]

15. foolj...

by framing this as only contesting votes that may have been cast for Kerry, as opposed to this over-arching issue of enfranchisements, the dem leadership has grotesquely mismanaged this entire election. and patience be damned. the only chance to get this off the back pages was to contest, even though it wouldn't make a difference in the outcome. but how could the pugs steal the election on the floor of congress without agreeing to "investigate" in the next congress?

there is no ther way i can think of other than to force the issue. and even tho there is not a direct relationship between the electoral votes and voter disenfranchisement (hee hee hee) it would send a powerful message to the disenfranchised and to progressives that the dems can find something to fight for. like the constitution.

these men and women, our party leaders, have damned us to wander in the electoral desert for another generation now. they hold the right to vote more cheaply that the pugs who stoler it, because of their inability or unwillingness to see and act. a lizard is a lizard, a pug is a pug, but a democrat used to mean a lot more than it does.

whalerider55

[righteous1]

3. I think from previous threads it had been pretty well established

that he would not contest so no real surprise

[whalerider55]

10. hadn't seen those

so i thought i'd post the bitter fruits of my own labors

i hope ted retires.

b /c if he doesn't this will retire him here in MA.

whalerider55

[yinkaafrica]

4. Why NO?

We need to exactly identify where the thievery took place
so we can fix what is broken and get a fair election sometime in the future.

[OKthatsIT]

9. but that isnt going to happen now

we needed the Senators to stand up...to force the media to readdress the issue...to put it on the record and force all parties to remedy the problem.

If they dont do this on thursday...the fraud and suppression will continue, we'lose all power of filibuster in 2 yrs and the complete takeover will alter our Constitution forever.

When Dobson says, "bullseye target' it means they will steal the election from whomever disagrees with the Dominionists Crooks!

[newscott]

5. I've sent tons of emails to my reps and never

got any replies.

[OKthatsIT]

6. I called his Boston office...left him a message

It was Kennedy who got us into this war with Iraq...course he'd tell ya he just nudged Kerry to vote in support of Bush, knowing Bush wouldnt follow thru with the inspectors...

Kennedy has done nothing but confuse the poor boy(Kerry) into indecisiveness.

the saga goes on, huh?

[jmannatl]

11. wha?

>It was Kennedy who got us into this war with Iraq...course he'd tell ya he just nudged Kerry to vote in support of Bush, knowing Bush wouldnt follow thru with the inspectors...

Maybe I missed a day in school, but what is this in reference to?

And in re: a Kennedy standing up against election fraud? I don't think thats in the gene pool there.

[whalerider55]

17. good point

damned good point.

forgot who i was talking about.

still, everytime i talk to a freeper about election fraud, every single time, i get the same answer.... "well, what about chicago 1960?"

think about it. their response is an admission that they stole this election, even they know it. and the best they can come up is... "payback!"

whalerider55

former supporter of Ted Kennedy 1980

[jjmalonejr]

12. What are you talking about?

Kennedy opposed the IWR and disagreed with Kerry on the subject.

How did you manage to make him the villain?

Besides, I thought we were talking about certifying the election.

[MelissaB]

13. When you guys call,

please ask the aid these questions posted by Shraby.



There are several blatant things wrong with this if they knew in advance about the terror warning.

1. Why did they use this location for voting and not move it?

2. Why did they keep the polling place open for people all day until it closed knowing it was a target?

3. Why did they count the votes at a targeted place?

4. Why did they allow anyone to remain in the building besides the poll workers who counted the votes? As I understand it, the observers and media were allowed to stay in the building, but not allowed to observe the counting.

5. Why can't they name the official who alerted them?

6. The alert should have been in writing, where is the paper?

7. Why weren't the poll workers arrested and questioned about their illegal activity.

[fooj]

16. . Logic tells me that declaring yourself before the 6th...

would be a mistake. Lets just wait and see what Thursday brings...I know patience is a tough one right now...but I believe it is the wisest choice. Ours is a moral and just cause. For now, this is what sustains me.


WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???

[understandinglife]

18. Just called his DC office. Phone answered on second ring. Provided..

...a detailed list of reasons why Senator Kennedy should support Congressman Conyers' challenge on 6 Jan 2005. Made it clear I was not a constituent. Was asked for my name and contact information. Was not told the Senator had made any decision. Was told that my message would be passed on to the Senator.

And, everyone, as several have noted, it would be folly for any Senator to announce their plans to support Congressman Conyers before the Joint Session begins at 1pm EST, 6 Jan 2005.

This is not a TV script; this is not a pot-boiler novel; this is not a b movie; this is a monumental, very real attack on our American franchise of Democracy. It is a mega-legal issue and even a non-lawyer, non-Constitutional history expert like myself 'gets' how big a crisis we face.

And, sometime shortly after 1pm EST, 6 Jan 2005, we will know who among our elected representatives we can trust as we strive to reclaim our democracy and the Constitution on which it is based. No question, its going to be a fight and the 'shot heard round the world' will be Congressman Conyers clear and concise challenge statement.

Peace.

[fooj]

19. WELL SAID!!!

Thanks...what is happening to everyone?:shrug:


WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???:think: :think: :think:

[New Earth]

20. wtf? why does everybody keep calling the Senators?

like they're going tell someone over the phone? i believe none of this until I see it on Jan. 6th. :hi:

[whalerider55]

21. now, Faye

because we believe that they should hear from constituents. part of representative the democracy thang.

old habits die hard.

very hard.

because, some of us love the constitution enough to want to publically defend it.

because we have nothing better to do.

because it's an example of our tax dollars at work.

because we think accountability and democracy go hand-in hand.

because i want my senators to know that their disrespect for enfranchisement will cost them here in my state should they want to run for re-election or even consider higher office some time in the future.

because some of us insist on paying attention to that man behind the curtain.

I gotta go to class on the sixth, but i'll be on after 10PM est, to make my abject apologies for a lack of narrowly defined "faith", or to quiz y'all on your ideas for next steps once we've lost the last best chance to make the enfranchisement issue a front-pager until 2006.

whalerider55

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[yojon]

22. Ted has done a good job but he looks tired...

nonetheless, the idea of him 'retiring' is obsolete since our 'quaint' custom of voting has been rendered irrelevant. He will be retired regardless of the number of people who think they are voting for him.

[hilster]

23. C-Span

He's grilling Gonzales though.

[marcologico]

24. Cut him some slack, he's up for reelection in 06 and last one was close

Even lions gotta fight for survival in this jungle!