Move on and bend over because the electoral process in the US died in 2000

[RaulVB]

To those that insist on telling the people who knows fraud took place on November 2nd that they need to "get over it", just a few words:

Take off the mask!

Albert Gore WON THE ELECTION IN 2000. The Democratic party gave it up to "*".

"Fool me once..., fool me twice..."

There is no future for the DNC if they don't openly fight against the regime. No retreat, no mercy, no surrender.

They need 5 more senators in 2006.

The naysayers and their mantra would be, "We'll be just fine. We'll do fine in 2006 and win the presidency in 2008..."

Get a grip!

You are going to be destroyed and you better be happy about it!

That's the way a fascist regime behaves, crush the opposition first and if the wounded survivors want to join, well...

Let me tell you a little story. Right before 2006 the polls will say that the Democrats will likely pick up some seats in the Senate. In election day, the exit polls will tell you that they actually won 5 seats at around 5 PM that day. Then, guess what, by the end of the night the "rethugs" will have 60 Senators!

And right before 2008, surprise, surprise, "little Jeb" will decide that he wants to be "selected" too!

Wake up folks!

If you repeat the DLC talking points you are doing a great service to the rethugs.

The only way you'll "win" the next one is finding darn good hackers. Start working on it...

A good opposition to this type of regime is a frontal, strong, very responsible one. Dialogue HAS NEVER WORKED WITH FASCISTS.

Read about Neville Chamberlain.

January 6th is just the beginning.

[BigBearJohn]

1. I'm bending over.. do I get a kiss with that?

[RaulVB]

2. Depends,

If you find the right "rethug", you will...

[EFerrari]

3. That's right. Just the beginning. I needed a new hobby. n/t

[loritooker]

4. I respect your viewpoint because you've lived through it. n/t

[RaulVB]

5. Thanks! (n/t)

[Warpy]

6. I think it's absolutely vital to keep documenting what went on

last year, both leading up to the election and in the election itself, copying the information, and making sure that documentation isn't centralized and therefore easily destroyed.

No, without the help of the Democratic Party and a flurry of lawsuits where they will do the most damage, we can't hope to prevail.

However, prevailing may not be possible even with that. I'm afraid we're at the point where a lot of scared and selfish people are going to have to learn some very hard lessons all over again.

Plus, the extreme right fringe always destroys itself once it grabs power away from the people. They do it by purges in the search for ideological purity and perfect loyalty. They also disgrace themselves as sson as they start feeling invulnerable, with outrage piling on outrage. Both processes are beginning. Deprived of an external enemy powerful enough to challenge them, they eat their own.

Keep the information safe and watch the show. It's going to be a good one.

[RaulVB]

7. I agree, however...

Think on this scenario:

"Plus, the extreme right fringe always destroys itself once it grabs power away from the people. They do it by purges in the search for ideological purity and perfect loyalty. They also disgrace themselves as sson as they start feeling invulnerable, with outrage piling on outrage. Both processes are beginning. Deprived of an external enemy powerful enough to challenge them, they eat their own."

I don't see many "moderate Republicans" willing to be destroyed by "*" minions!

That was the old "Republican Party".

The regime and its supporters are on this for the long run...

[Botany]

8. Not quite

The problem is we were ready for 2000 and the "thugs" had a 2004 election fix in.

Sure I am mad at the democrats but I think the "brown shirts" want us to quit.

[TexasLawyer]

9. You go, RaulVB !

very inspirational

[RaulVB]

10. Thanks!

The crisis and the consequences of it are not clear for some people, I guess!

[Peace Patriot]

11. The US is not so easy to control as Germany was.

Much bigger, greater variety of people, spread out all over, different populations that seldom march in lockstep (except on the freeways--thanks, Firestone!). And democracy protected here (by the oceans) for two hundred years--long tradition of free speech, habeas corpus, etc.

So, we're getting a subtler approach, mainly via the Thug media. Keep 'em stupid. Keep 'em entertained with stupid entertainment (and for the hoity, smart-stupid entertainment), and mainly create an illusion that is called the news. Brainwashing, but not quite so direct as the Nazis.

I watched with wonder and joy as the American people rejected this illusion, rejected the war, repudiated Bush Inc., and voted to put an intelligent, decent fellow in the White House.

In fact, the American people--the majority--are still pretty much where they were on Election Day (before the networks fiddled the Exit Polls): Almost 60% hate the war. Only 48% give Bush approval (utterly miserable approval rating for second-termer just "elected"). We just couldn't get our votes to stick.

It took the American a year from the initial lies about Iraq to the light dawning. This might take a year. And that Exit Poll thing was a great trauma. Everybody thinking Kerry was going to win (even White House staff!). And he DID win, so said the Exit Polls on our TV screens.

Then they altered those polls--feeding in the Bush "Pioneer" controlled electronic central vote tabulator with secret source code "results", and making the Exit Polls fit the"official results," as if Bush was winning both (he wasn't.) Fooled some of us for a few hours. Many are still fooled.

In the Ukraine, they saw the separate, conflicting figures (Exit Poll vs. "official results") and knew something was very wrong. Americans were denied that information, and have had to suffer through the trauma of thinking that their fellow Americans have gone bonkers, and feeling all alone.

(Note: The Pollsters say they have their reasons for altering the Exit Polls as the voting "results" come in. I won't go into it--read Freeman's latest--except to say that we only do this here in America; whereas Germany, Canada, Ukraine, everybody else keeps them separate SPECIFICALLY to check for fraud. Not our Pollsters. No fraud here! New electronic voting system owned by Republican chairs of B/C campaign. No need to check up on this. Nope.) (However, as Freeman points out that the Pollsters said, no reason you can't use THEIR true results TO verify the election. So...)

Freeman: http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm

Anyway, Americans are a funny breed. We don't tend to riot (generally) unless really pressed. But give us a project, give us a practical project with a goal, and just ask us, that's all we need, just ask--and watch it get done!

1) Paper ballots
2) Hand counts

or at least

1) A paper receipt for every vote
2) Open source code

(and 3) undoctored Exit Polls!)

Presto! Democracy!

(Leave Congress out of it, though--they are a positive menace! Must be done locally, state by state, while we still have the power.)

Then watch who we elect president.

[Vektor]

12. How about a little reach-around?

Seriously, I think you're absolutely right. I've been saying this all along. It's fight hard or die time for the party.

[RaulVB]

13. Yes, it is (n/t)

[luaptifer]

14. RaulVB, i was stunned for a moment thinking i must have already posted

a note that i started last night and had been revising but then saw so much of in your post! i aimed to post it on another thread, might as well here:

If a single senator doesn't step up on the 6th, give it up, it's cooked

will pitt blogged at the protest what i voiced earlier:

http://truthout.org/fyi/

"The silence of our friends
Monday 03 January 2005 @ 07:38
There is an implicit warning being given here to the Democrats in the Senate. The speakers here keep mentioning that MLK quote about not remembering the words of enemies, but the silence of friends. If no Senator stands with Rep. Conyers on Thursday, they will come to rue their silence...if the folks here have anything to say about it."

me at cgcs:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=13151&view=findpost&p=125785

Jan 3 2005, 08:37 PM "i made a complementary point on another thread, hell on a couple different forums today. but folks here have probably heard the idea, 'liberalism will be the reason for its own downfall'.

don't get me wrong, i'm a liberal!! though i do like the lowercase 'L' better. but freaking liberalism is too tolerant and too reasonable for its own good when you're sitting there planning on using the other guy's own weight to throw him in a judo bout on the mats. allathe sudden you realize he's in a damn tank and somehow the walls of that gymnasium disappeared.

we've just had it too easy, the struggles have been played out on someone else's battlefield but at least under rules we understood, largely reasonable, and still able to be dealt with under gentleman's terms and parity of force. despite the stench of corruption in creeping republicratism. we've liked it, it's been easy, we've gotten soft.

hypnotic luxury is wearing off and it's just a little bit closer to that intellectualized survival thing. (now) a generation beyond real struggle for civil rights and against illegal, immoral war, who still knows how to struggle?

formercia pegged that picture i think. older african americans may still remember what blood, sweat and tears taste like in a mixture. most of the rest of us bought that medley on CD! a different concept, a different game. can we remember or learn what it means to fight without rules and referee?

in the aftermath of 2000, i think african american folks remembered what 'who has your back?' means. i hope to god...
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QUOTE(luaptifer Jan 3 2005 @ 07:12 PM)
well, ... i believe it was on DU the point laid out that it's only those with steel huevos who'd have jumped in front of the faux news/cnn/et al mack truck before they had to.

Conyers has become god in my book. i want to see a rainbow (of people) contesting on the 6th but DAMN, if we can't get even one of the white boys up there making it more than simply a 'Conyers defending his own story'...*ukkit. at the least it should be (taken as) that face-value photo-op but it's so freakingly more fundamental than that.

if they don't have the ballz to use the simplest excuse of (VALIDLY, minority) disenfranchisement, what *ukking good are they?! and i don't EVEN mean to belittle the idea that black americans were ripped off. to me, it's a multifaceted systematic dismantling of the american spirit.

it's blacks, whites, hispanics, asians...we've all been sold in that case (if ONE senator is unwilling to stand up). i'll be SOOOo pissed that they would NOT force the basic principle (of ensuring a fair vote occurred).

(talking through this tonite) i think i was just struck with what the other face of the New World Order coin looks like.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=13305&view=findpost&p=125682

the way i see what happened in 2000, a compliant cadre of power-brokers laughed at 'their guys in the house'. the minority reps of the house got a 'bend over!' when they came down expecting someone to cover their backs. 'it's-the-economy-stupid' types, comfortable with having left 'well-off' behind for 'better-off' were no longer capable of recognizing the ugly face of systemic theft. people conditioned by the presence of that ugly face in the communities of their childhood were incapable of ignoring the threat. i still feel the 'shame' of that day our house reps were dealt the 'fool me once' clause.

conyers knows what's up. if abandoned again jan. 6, the republicrats establish as fact the ...fool me twice, shame on me clause.

this time we're all disenfranchised

[RaulVB]

15. Yes, you understand this

The "rules" have changed.

Is total destruction for the DNC if they don't fight the regime. The "old order" is gone, why these "professional politicians" don't get it is beyond me!

Regards.

[KnowerOfLogic]

16. Yep; how many times does election theft have to happen before

Dems stand up?

[RaulVB]

17. Kick (n/t)