check out MM's open letter to senators

[liam97]

[Not_Giving_Up]

1. linky?? n/t

[vj68]

Ummm...

I’d love to where is it?

:dem: :dem:

[NYC]

2. Where is it?

?

[liam97]

4. link - look at the right hand side

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[NYC]

18. Thank you.

I hadn't even realized the MM was Michael Moore. Thought it was a DUer.

[ginnyinWI]

28. Excellent letter. Just the right tone. Thanks, Mike! n/t

[genius]

46. Thank you and thank you Michael. He's finally on our side again.

[demo dutch]

69. He was on our side all along, just waiting to find the

proof in the pudding!

[genius]

47. So will Thursday be in the sequel to F9/11?

[elare]

6. Here's the link

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=179

[NYC]

19. Thanks.

:hi:

[texpatriot2004]

39. Thanks for the heads up. MM is a true patriot. Great letter. n/t

[New Earth]

3. lol

wtf?

[saracat]

8. WTF indeed? Is he coming around again?

[sepia_steel]

51. I don't think he was ever

'not around'. Just playing with their heads and starting new projects. This guy is as Dem as it gets. :)

[Pithy Cherub]

5. hide and seek...

?

[Not_Giving_Up]

7. I've got the link...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=179

[Maat]

10. Just read it. Loved it.

Now who really, really called attention to their boo-boo in 2000? Why it was Michael! And he'll do it again! So someone had better speak up!

[New Earth]

11. cool

didn't people insist he 'rolled over'? :eyes:

[seito]

21. Everybody rolled and we are DOOMED!!!

Faye, haven't you been paying attention?...:eyes:

[New Earth]

34. yes

it is true. it is the end of the world, as we know it.

[NV Whino]

30. MM NEVER rolled over

never would roll over. People just don't understand irony/parody.

I don't get TV reception (and don't want it), but when I read (on DU, of course) about his "rollover," I had a right good laugh.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

44. but he did say, We lost, chin up... Until evidence was in.

Smart people are willing to change their opinions when new facts come to their attention. Imbeciles call this flip-flopping.

[AmerDem]

38. day late and a dollar short in my opinion

MM message is totally conflicting in this write up.

First he writes, "It's rough to lose two elections in a row when the first one you actually won and the second one you should have won."...uh, we could have won the second one? How about the second one was a repeat of the first one.

Then he says, "The list of possible offenses of how voters were denied access to the polls and how over a hundred thousand of their votes have yet to be counted is more than worthy of your consideration. It may not change the outcome, but you have a supreme responsibility to make sure that EVERY vote is counted."....uh, It may not change the outcome? Are you saying now MM that you feel there is a possibility that it could be overturned?

MM can't have it both ways.


edit: my reply was supposed to go to the opening post not to the person who provide a link. The link obviously is appreciated.

[Helga Scow Stern]

57. That bothered me too. But it lets the Senators off the hook of having to

defeat the evil empire in one fell swoop, which might drive some to dawn their pink tutus.

Baby steps. Then they learn the dance. And start to wake up.

[joeunderdog]

59. Just MM's way of saying he didn't go without a splash.

Probably knew he offended his base with his caving in on this one. This letter does little at this point in time.

MM's gig is to be loud, obnoxious and hard to miss. He was quiet and quick to concede on this election. There is no real momentum for a senator to ride here. This letter or a splash about the atrocities of the election 2 freakin months ago might have helped.

He didn't have to say FRAUD back then either to have stood up for the people who needed him. None of them did. That's what I don't get.

[suziedemocrat]

64. and the '"we lost by 3 million votes" bothers me.

Michael - Buddy - Karen Hughes told Bush he lost - Zogby predicted 317 EVs for Kerry - the exit polls - (used to verify elections in other banana republics) show a clear Kerry win. I don't think we can take Bush's 3 million popular vote lead for granted - the whole thing stinks!! Elections don't turn around like that in the last few hours of counting.

I'm going to sound like a nut case but who cares -- People - stop thinking like Americans who can trust elections and expect people to do the right thing. MAYBE that America is in peril - maybe it always has been. Democracies are fragile things. We need to always be on our guard or else our democracy might be gone before we even miss it!

[Peace Patriot]

66. What alteration of the Exit Polls did to MM and others' fighting spirit...

Imagine if Michael Moore had NOT been emotionally destroyed--as so many were--by the alteration of the Exit Polls (which showed a Kerry win) on Election night, thinking that all our passion and hard work went for nothing.

Imagine if he and others had known from the beginning that the Exit Polls said Kerry won.

In Germany, Canada, the Ukraine and the rest of the free world, the official results and the Exit Polls are kept separate. If the Exit Polls are different from the official results, suspicion of fraud is aroused, and recounts and audits are instituted.

Not here. Even with the US testing out a controversial new election system-manufactured by Bush "Pioneers," with the source code that tabulates all our votes held by them as secret, proprietary information, and with no paper trail in a third of the country--no one thought it necessary to provide a fraud check of this system, as is routinely done in other countries.

So, as the "official results" from the Republican controlled central vote tabulators came in to the networks, on Election day--fed by AP--the Exit Polls, which showed a Kerry win, were ADJUSTED to match the "official results," making it appear that Bush won both the Exit Polls and the "official results."

In the Ukraine, they rioted over the discrepancy between the Exit Polls and the "official results"--and held a new election!

In the US, the emotional devastation of all those Kerry voters and supporters on Election night, thinking Bush won and there was no hope, changed the outcome here--no riots, no mass protests, no calls for immediate investigations and a re-vote. The BushCons won--once more--with an ILLUSION.

This makes me so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o sad!

It also makes me very, very, ve-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-ry angry!

The TV networks.
AP.
Mitofsky (the Pollster).
And the untouchables, Bush and the BushCons.

These are the culprits. And since Bush and the BushCons are untouchable (unless the Democrats take them on), we must target this media list, and our goal should be justice, not reform.

They robbed us of a revolution. They gave us Bush, Part II, fascism in America.

Take no prisoners!

(Note: Mitofsky has his excuses for giving us polluted Exit Polls. None hold up. They do it differently everywhere else. He knows that. He knows why. And he and the networks damn well knew that this new election system was as insecure, hackable and fraud prone as it could be. The networks kept THIS information from the American people as well.)

(Note2: The Democratic leadership is guilty of a failure of leadership, it's true--on the election system and on the handling of the Exit Poll. Why did they permit BushCons to gain control of the voting system? When Tom Delay blockaded them on election transparency, why didn't they scream bloody murder--and warn the voters during the campaign? And, finally, KNOWING how fraud prone this election system was, why didn't they conduct their OWN Exit Poll? I don't think they're suicidal, exactly. I think they're inattentive, corrupt, collusive and live in a bubble of privilege. So I don't think THEY should be on this particular target list (those who are actively destroying our democracy)--or if so, put them way down on the list. They have very little power in BushCon America, and they don't use it well.)

------

Further info:

http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/epdiscrep.htm
http://www.truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf

Further discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php

[suziedemocrat]

68. This is important - maybe you should post this in a new thread! nt

[Not_Giving_Up]

9. Well put!

Go Mike!!!!!!!!

[suffragette]

12. MM will be on Today show Thursday morning

Hmmm - I wonder what he'll be talking about. The F word, perhaps?

[Scout1071]

27. While I hope he'll talk about fraud, I suspect he may be talking

about getting himself some PR for the big award show push.

[buddysmellgood]

13. I was worried he had given it up. He said on Leno or Letterman that he

thought Bush won and had a better message and blaa.
Michael has won me back.

[Melissa G]

14. That letter just got him my vote for Sunday night ! n/t

[vj68]

15. Thanks

from Michael Moore


Dear Members of the U.S. Senate,

Welcome back! The 109th session of Congress has just begun. I'm watching you on C-SPAN right now and you all look so snap-happy and clean-faced. It's like the first day of school all over again, isn't it?

I have a favor to ask of you. Something isn't right with the vote from Ohio. Seems a lot of people didn't get to vote. And those who did, thousands of theirs weren't counted.

Does that seem right to you? I'm just asking. Forget about partisan politics for a moment and ask yourself if there is a more basic right, in a democracy, than the right of the people to vote AND have ALL their votes counted?

Now, I know a lot of you wish this little problem of Ohio would just go away. And many of you who wish this are Democrats. You just want to move on (no pun intended!). I can't say I blame you. It's rough to lose two elections in a row when the first one you actually won and the second one you should have won. And it seems this time around, about 3 million more Americans preferred to continue the war in Iraq and give the rich more tax breaks than those who didn't. No sense living in denial about that.

But something isn't right in Ohio and more than a dozen members of the House of Representatives believe it is worth investigating.

So on Thursday at 1:00pm, Rep. John Conyers of Detroit will rise and object to the vote count in Ohio. According to the laws of this land, he will not be allowed to speak unless at least one of you -- one member of the United States Senate -- agrees to let him have the floor.

A very embarrassing moment during the last session of Congress occurred in the first week when none of you would allow the members of Congress who were black to have the floor to object to the Florida vote count. Remember that? You thought no one would ever notice, didn't you? You certainly lucked out that night when the networks decided not to show how you shut down every single member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

No such luck this year. Everyone now knows about that moment of shame. Thank you? You’re welcome.

But this Thursday, at 1:00pm, you will have a chance to redeem yourself.

Congressman Conyers and a dozen other members of Congress have some serious questions about how the Republican secretary of state in Ohio (who was also the state’s co-chair of Bush’s reelection campaign) conducted the election on November 2. The list of possible offenses of how voters were denied access to the polls and how over a hundred thousand of their votes have yet to be counted is more than worthy of your consideration. It may not change the outcome, but you have a supreme responsibility to make sure that EVERY vote is counted. Who amongst you would disagree with that?

[TexasChick]

24. Thanks for posting the letter, vj68. For some reason, MM's site keeps

crashing my browser tonight (illegal operation error).

[Clark2008]

16. Shhhh... don't anyone tell the Donna Brazile's

of the Dem Party...

:P

[NJCher]

17. I burst out laughing at this

No such luck this year. Everyone now knows about that moment of shame. Thank you? You’re welcome.

Can't you just hear him saying that?

Go Michael!


Cher

p.s. try this with republican parents: They were talking about Michael Moore and I said, "In my opinion, the highest form of life."

Talk about a conversation stopper!

[zann725]

56. Yeah, I liked that quote too! So MM!

This'll help a lot. If he sent it out to his Mailing List, asking them all to write their Senators...this should send a real blizzard of emails to Capitol Hill!

Mr. Cheney, remember not to get tooo excited on Thursday. If you feel a flutter, just sit down! We'll handle that counting for you! No problem...

[Patsy Stone]

20. I love him. I have always loved him. I never doubted him.

"And it seems this time around, about 3 million more Americans preferred to continue the war in Iraq and give the rich more tax breaks than those who didn't. No sense living in denial about that."


SNAP!

[Clark2008]

23. I liked the part preceeding that sentence, as well

Now, I know a lot of you wish this little problem of Ohio would just go away. And many of you who wish this are Democrats. You just want to move on (no pun intended!). I can't say I blame you. It's rough to lose two elections in a row when the first one you actually won and the second one you should have won.

Floaty hearts for MM!! :loveya:

(Just deduct one from my KO account, Patsy. KO? OK?)

[Patsy Stone]

26. KO!

He rocks that MM. He do.

That Ralph Reed-ish appearance on Leno was priceless. I loved Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine. He's so good.

:)

And for MM -- I, too, shall use some :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bush_is_wacko]

22. I figured he'd do something like this.

Notice he does not mention the machines AROUND THE ENTIRE US that malfunctioned. Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien had some cryptic remarks similar to this on their shows last night as I recall. In fact Conan had Gweneth Paltrow on saying she had taken Apple to see F911 and had had to leave about 2/3rds of the way through because Apple was not happy. Conan tried to make a remark about how she was a smart baby not wanting to listen to all that liberal crap, but the way he said it made him sound like he meant something else.

[Clark2008]

31. Both Gwyneth and Moore supported Clark

to the best of my recollection.

Maybe I'm missing your point here. Are you saying that, secretly, these entertainers wanted to plug MM and F-911 or that it's more of the VRWC at work.

Sorry - confused just a touch.

[bush_is_wacko]

33. It sounded like just a plug to me.

Caught my attention though. Forgive me. I am on brain overload right now as I told someone else. I'm off to bed. Gotta work tomorrow. Anxiously awaiting the 6th!

[GetTheRightVote]

25. MM has returned to the mother ship, I am glad to see him back

:kick:

[BigBearJohn]

29. HOORAY == My faith has been restored - Let's all thank him!!!

We should ALL write to Michael Moore and thank him
for jumping back on board right when we needed him.
I just KNEW I hadn't read him wrong. HOORAY!
I will sleep well tonite!!!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[roenyc]

60. He should have been on here from day 1

why are we thanking him? he is a freedom fighter is he not? I would have liked to see the word fraud in there and i dont. i was not happy about him going on jay Leno (the enemy) and saying bush won cause he got more votes. hello mike, stay home and make a new documentary and be quiet on things you know nothing of.

here is the thing, he was supposed to have cameras watching this stuff so when mm says oh well things are cool, thats not cool.

so yeah, nice letter, but he missed the boat. who knows what is up with everyone. i just give up. but nice letter.

its expected. not like he is doing anyone a favor. no offense, please i am just so disgusted. with everyone i guess.

[meisje]

32. Is he out of money already?

[Blue_In_AK]

35. Wonderful letter. He HAS been noticing. n/t

[KaryninMiami]

36. AND it's on the Front Page! Welcome Back Michael.

It's about time. Now get busy and call your pals in Hollywood please and get them on board- we only have a few hours left. Please-- we are thrilled to have you now please get to work. We've been doing our share here- but your voice will be a big help as well. Start Those Cameras Rolling please!

[loritooker]

37. Leno: "Why do you think Bush won?" Moore: "He GOT more votes". Foxy!

[Clark2008]

41. ...but he didn't "earn" more votes!

Lovely sintax!! ;)

[Stand and Fight]

40. Yeah, yeah!!!

Go, go, Mikey, go, go!!!

:bounce:

[borealowl]

42. no contradiction

He seems to believe that Bush won the national vote legitimately, but not Ohio. That three million votes would be too many to steal?

[garybeck]

43. kick

[DemonFighterLives]

45. Glad he came back to work

This could spell good news for the Kerry Sleeping Dog scenario. If Michael has the goods on film and a senator stands, we are off to the races.
That part of Fahrenheit 9/11 was the most alarming. To see the Congressional Black Caucus shot down was disgusting.

I know some freepers who will love to hear any knews on Michael. }(

[Raksha]

53. I know some freepers who are absolutely obsessed with MM...

...for some unknown reason. They are constantly dragging him into debates where he isn't even relevant, as an example of the Dems' allegedly poor choice in leaders/spokesmen. Maybe I'll post the link to his latest piece on another board...after all, I wouldn't want to deprive the poor babies of another feeding frenzy!

[DemonFighterLives]

54. Exactly

Mwhaaaa haha! He gets their undies in a bunch faster than anyone I know except maybe Hillary or Clenis.

[suziedemocrat]

65. Yeah - they're obsessed with Hilary - MM - and Jessie Jackson! n/t

[understandinglife]

48. Timing is everything; especially when facing a Constitutional crisis.

[Im with Rosey]

67. Timing is everything!

I often view your one-liners as truly thoughtful and thought-provoking... this one hits the nail right on the head! I couldn't possibly agree more.

[selmo7]

70. Me three! Timing is Everything!

How could ANYONE doubt where MM is coming from? Look at how much he is done for us! Are we humans sometimes a wee bit fickle or what? hee hee

[selmo7]

71. but...not a crisis, a Constitutional PROCESS! n/t

edit: spelling

[zimba]

49. I love his second to last paragraph,

"It only takes one member of the House and one member of the Senate to stop the acceptance of the Electoral College vote and force a legitimate debate and investigation. Do you know why this provision is set in stone in our nation’s laws? I mean, why would we allow just two officials in a body of 535 members to throw a wrench into the works? The law exists because nothing is more sacred than the integrity of the ballot box and if there is ANY possibility of fraud or incompetence, then it MUST be addressed. Because if we don't have the vote, what are we left with?"

He makes it all so simple to understand.

I feel more confident each day that a senator will challenge.

[Amaryllis]

50. Wonder what finally brought him around? He was saying conspiracy theory

only a short time ago...Maybe Conyers stuff. Hard to argue with all those allegations on Judiciary Committee letterhead.

[sabra]

52. IMO MM always had a plan...

just like JK! I truly hope we will see some history on Thursday...

[earth mom]

55. More floaty hearts for MM

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

I am SO happy and relieved!

And my fingers are crossed in hopes for a great day on the 6th!

[WritersBlock]

58. Never doubted him for a second.

When all the trauma was flying around over the Leno appearance, I said that I'd believe John Ashcroft was a card-carrying member of the ACLU before I'd believe that Michael Moore would give up. I still stand by that.

[HEAVYHEART]

61. I couldn't believe it when I saw the email

It's about fucking time Michael! :bounce:

[super simian]

62. Hey Michael!

If you're reading this have to admit you gave me a bit if a scare about a month or so ago, but now you have come through for us BIG TIME, as usual. Maybe there's still hope that you didn't give away all those noodles and underpants for nothing!!!!!!

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[KaryninMiami]

63. Just got this via email from MM.com and it's on his front page!

This is a good thing. A little late, but a good thing and lately, I've been making sure to notice when we have something positive come up and this is one of those.

Thank you, Michael.

[crispini]

72. Man, that's good stuff. n/t

[Acryliccalico]

73. Thanks MM

I went to see P 9/11 the first day it showed here. He needs to rant and everyone else should too. We know this is not a Democracy any more. It doesn't matter if those who can get the attention ( MM, Dem. Senators, the ones who have the knowledge about the fraud) We here are ( I believe ) the majority but can't get the attention from the MSM. Instead of tiptoeing around the elephant every one has to get real about it NOW. It can only help those Senators in the long run. Their names will go down in History for saving this country.