Why it is IMPERATIVE that we contest Fla, NM, Colorado, Tex., NC., & other

[loudsue]

states:

When the House members contest the Ohio electoral votes tomorrow, it is IMPERATIVE that they also contest the votes of the other states where there are documented cases of fraud -- NOT just Ohio, where we have some court cases that have been high profile.

If the House ONLY contests Ohio, then the general public is going to think that this is just an isolated case of questionable accuracy. AND THAT'S NOT TRUE!! There are cases of machines defaulting to bush in COUNTLESS States, and there were those instances of disenfranchisement in NM and Florida, as well.

I have NOT understood WHY, when we have signed affidavits by voters across the country, WHY should we only ask Senators to contest the votes of ONE state??? It only makes it appear that the problems were NOT SIGNIFICANT in other states.

North Carolina was "supposed" to go red. It was considered a safe red state, so nobody has been raising hell about how the vote went, EXCEPT the State of North Carolina, which may have to have a re-vote on the Agriculture Commissioners race because some of the machines messed up SO BADLY. Yet, nobody has even MENTIONED that, if the machines messed up this badly for THAT race, WHY NOT THE OTHERS?

However, many many many Repubikkklans in this State (NC) were really outraged at bush. Many who voted for him in 2000 refused to vote for him in 2004. And there is NO WAY IN HELL that Erskin Bowles lost his senate race fair and square.

If Conyers, et al, only contest Ohio, it makes it appear like an isolated incident of election malfeasance. But when there is so much documented evidence in Florida and Texas and New Mexico and Colorado and Kentucky.... on and on.... the representatives need to MAKE IT CLEAR there was no legitimate "mandate".

It really scares me that all this focus is only on Ohio. THAT is not what this election was about!! It was about widespread, nation-wide, electronic and tactical suppression and fraud.

And what about the Swift Boat ties to the republican parties??? All the myriad of laws broken throughout the campaign and the election, by the republican party, need to get AT LEAST SOME of the air time, while this election is contested.

In fact, the whole frikkin' election should be thrown out!! AND WE KNOW IT!!

Please....when you call your Senators' offices, Please ask them to have Conyers contest other states as well. The evidence has been pouring in daily. The fraud was nationwide. It needs to be told, and the votes need to be contested.

[arnp2000]

1. Bad news from Florida

Both senators said they will NOT contest the vote. Said "The voters have spoken."

[In Truth We Trust]

2. Fuck them!!! Wait til the voters speak again !!! Kick their sorry asses

out ASAP!

[arnp2000]

3. YES!!

[loudsue]

8. How can we do that, when we don't get our votes counted??

If we didn't vote 'em in, we sure as hell can't vote 'em out!!

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[In Truth We Trust]

12. A emachine TEA PARTY!!!!

Find em and smash em and then don't allow them to be replaced.

Paper ballots NOW! Hand count NOW!

[loudsue]

17. I think that needs to become a viable solution.

If they're not going to fix this mess.....WE WILL fix it for 'em.

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[ChicanoPwr]

11. WTF?

How can they say the voters have spoken? If your doesn't get counted then that voter did not have a chance to speak, it was silenced. Maybe we need to re-frame the our plea, not contesting the vote is a support for torture. Not contesting the votes is a support for our lose of the both human and civil rights.

I remember when I lived in IL and the Dem Senator (I think it was) Allen Dixon who voted for Judge Thomas Supreme Court confirmation, and that was a vote against sexual harassment. Well the people spoke and we replaced his ASS with Carol Mosley-Braum.

This time around, we should all unite and any Senator who does not contest this vote, they better hope they like there job because we will recruit a better Dem to replace them. THAT IS HOW WE WILL SPEAK.

[loudsue]

You're so right, ChicanoPwr. And the grassroots, primary season

is going to be bloody for those Dems who have been sitting on their hands, playing nice with their corporate donors.

But I'm worried about fixes being in for the primaries as well. Look at what they did with Cynthia McKinney in Georgia. And there are still people who think the presidential primary that went for Kerry is a little questionable -- even though I think Kerry ended up being a great candidate.

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[bmoney07]

19. who knows where and how a congressional hearing will go

thats if an investigation results from 01/06/05

Pray!

:)

[ChicanoPwr]

27. The Catholic in me..

is wanting to light all the candles LOL:D

[arnp2000]

21. that's a great idea!

I'm in!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

24. Not surprising since I think Martinez cheated to win over Castor.

But that is JUST an opinion. Nothing to back it up but gut instinct.

[Quakerfriend]

4. So true loudsue

but, unfortunately, it seems that there are just not enough resources available to do this....though there certainly ought to be!!

[loudsue]

6. Right now, WE ARE the resources...

And we have to get Conyers to see, and contest, the BIG PICTURE. We need to be calling the Reps AND the Senators, that we have documented evidence across the spectrum...not just Ohio.

Focusing on only Ohio has been a big mistake, I'm beginning to realize. It's not going to make the splash it needs to make in order to save our Democracy in the long run.

If they only focus on Ohio, guess which state (which ONE state) will be put through the high profile motions of needing to be corrected?

Then, in 2 more years, we'll have a fair vote in Ohio. That still leaves the other states free to continue their shennanigans. And we're still going to be in the same boat as we are now.

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[candy]

5. Never happen-----it's over! n/t

[KoKo]

7. Great Post! Sadly now with Burr and Dole...there's no way. NC Election

Fraud seems to be off the radar...no one wants to talk about it or acknowledge it. I was thinking Bowles and Edwards would "work behind the scenes" on this. I think it's because Easley doesn't want to deal with any hints of this...and put a halt. But that's just my opinion.

[loudsue]

10. There is a hearing in our legislature Jan 7th at 10:00 a.m.

Please check out this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=209565#209919

And see post #28. Chuck Herrin is going to be speaking before the Joint Select Committee on Electronic Voting Systems. We need to be there.

KoKo, you and I both know that Burr didn't get the votes away from Bowles. He did better right there at the end, after he unleashed all those negative commercials, but he DID NOT get enough "real" votes to defeat Bowles. No way, no how.

And I also strongly, STRONGLY suspect that bush didn't get anywhere near the number of votes he reportedly got in North Carolina. Maybe he did win a majority, but I still doubt it. North Carolina was headed strongly blue this election. Many old time conservatives were REALLY sick of bush, and embarrassed by him.

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[FreepFryer]

9. Agreed. Don't let the naysayers stop us before we try. Whatever happens...

...Jan 6. is just the beginning of our recapturing of America.

Believe in your power to be rational. Reject hopelessness. Have hope!

[loudsue]

14. Thanks, FF, for the encouraging words. This is going to be a long battle.

It's just that I think the battle needs to be called what it is... a nationwide system of election fraud.

Ohio IS very important. However, the bigger picture is the reason why there is about to be a civil war in this country. It's time the House and Senate understand that, since they don't need to be caught with their pants down when it starts.

With the courts stacked with right wing judges, we now have a system of 2 sets of laws in this country: one for Dems and one for repukes. The laws for repukes are suspended...any charges against them are dropped, thrown out of court, and turned around to make the victims guilty. The laws for Dems are severe and oppressive.

That's why I'd like to see Conyers & friends "out" the fraud in EVERY state where it has been documented.

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[hootinholler]

16. Yes tomorrow is just the beginning...

There is a more compelling reason to question all states. If the Ohio electoral slate is rejected, * still has the majority of EVs. We need another one to throw his ass out.

Whatever happens, I'm here for the long haul.

Yesterday, when information about the dominionists came before my eyes, for the first time, I was sincerely afraid for my country. The one my ancestors paid for with blood. I actually tasted the adrenilin surge. I thought wrongly that we had taken care of Pat Robertson's crew. I now realize that this is not a Dem V Rep fight, it is Dominionist V sanity.

-Hoot

[seabeyond]

13. so important, they took it nation wide

in our face nation wide fraud. has to be heard loud and clear reaching each ends of our Continent

[Al-CIAda]

15. Florida-

Election Fraud: Spooks, Saudis, Florida "The Covert Op That Ate The World"
January 4,2005 -Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

While both of the terrorist pilots who crashed into the World Trade Center were students at Venice Florida’s Huffman Aviation, the flight school's owner Wallace J. Hilliard, 72, of Naples, FL., was simultaneously pursuing a diplomatic opening to Fidel Castro’s Cuba.

But it's Hilliard’s involvement with ADNAN KHASHOGGI, arms merchant and international fugitive, which we find most intriguing. The SAUDI BILLIONAIRE’s name has now surfaced in connection with the ownership of two of the election service companies whose performance in the 2004 Presidential contest has inspired heated controversy.

http://www.madcowprod.com/

[loudsue]

18. Hopsicker is an awesome, fearless journalist.

He has done some of the BEST reporting on the CIA drug smuggling operations out of Mena, Arkansas, as well.

The mafia is obviously in charge of our government. They have the money, the power, and the guns.

But there are still more of us than there are of them.

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[Ian David]

20. Contesting ONE state stops the certification of ALL states

At least, that's what I remember hearing on C-SPAN.

I could be wrong.

And once the certification is stopped, it would give us time to investigate the OTHER states.

And once we prove fraud in Ohio, then we will be more credible when we ask to investigate OTHER states.

And then the states will fall like dominoes, one after another.

First Ohio, and then Florida... and on and on...

Can someone please verify or refute these points?

[loudsue]

22. No. Certification is on a state by state basis. IF enough evidence

was shown to "force" (ha! not a chance) the hands of the republicans to vote to throw out Ohio, it would ONLY be Ohio. The rest of the votes would stand.

That's why we need to encourage them to question the votes of the other states where we have had laws broken during the election... which is pretty much all of them, at this point.

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[m.standridge]

25. well, I haven't been impressed with Nevada's judges

on this issue of the bogus "registration drives" that ended up disenfranchising people, and there's been quite a bit of activity in New Mexico on several issues. And there's been more about Florida. There might have been enough stuff, in those three, to also affect the actual outcome of the vote.

[m.standridge]

26. One thing that might be helpful to look at

is the list of states that were Plurality states for Bush in 2000:
Nevada
Ohio
Florida
and
New Hampshire

[loudsue]

23. Shameless kick: CUMMON DUers!! Call the Reps & Senators!!

Tell 'em to contest ALL the States where there are documented cases of fraud or blatant disenfranchisement!!

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[Ian David]

28. Maybe they WILL contest all those states

But maybe they're not going to tip their hand yet, so they won't have to deal with Blackwell-esque stonewalling too early.