UhOh.. just thought... is there anything Cheney can do to...

[Rosco T.]

.. to STOP the challenges? Refuse to recognize the Reps?

[benburch]

1. He could try.

Rules don't matter to these treasonous criminals.

[musette_sf]

2. We'll just tell him

GO FUCK YOURSELF

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. Or better yet! Go Cheney yourself! ;)

[fob]

3. Well he IS up there running the Senate most Tuesdays and if John

Edwards had bothered to show up he would have seen him, so I'm sure dick* knows the rules and stuff.

/satire

[bush_is_wacko]

4. As far as I know he can refuse to recognize the reps ONLY if they do not

have a Senator's signature on board. I'm sure he'll try something though. After watching yesterdays debacle, this is not going to be pretty!

[Vektor]

7. There was a debacle yesterday?

What happened?

[bush_is_wacko]

22. I was referring to the vote on the Republicans proposed changes

to the ethics rules. It was disgusting. the repubs backed down from out and and saying Tom DeLay would not have to step down if he was indicted, but they changed the rules they originally created while Clinton was in office, so that if there is a tie in the committee over whether someone is indictable or not, the committee has 45 days to bring the matter to fruition. Since the freakin' committee is 5 Dems, 5 Repubs, the Repubs can force the Dems to either drop it or try and investigate, indict and bring to trial in 45 days.

Despite numerous objections and some VERY good reasons why it basically looks as if the Republicans are saying we can no longer play by our own rules so we want to re-invent them it passed because the Dems were pretty much outnumbered. Not one Republican was willing to vote his/her GD conscience. Oh that's right, I forgot, republicans don't have a freakin' conscience. Don't let me EVER forget that again.

[Patsy Stone]

5. Break a tie... That's it, I think. n/t

[bleever]

8. I'll tell him what he can do:

He can go HIMSELF himself.

:7

[mirandapriestly]

9. Where has he been anyway?

It's like he climbs back into his coffin after every major event.

[Walt Starr]

10. Not under the law

So long as it is written and at least one member of the House and one member of the Senate have signed the objection, the challenge is placed.

However, the challenge will not stand as a majority vote is required in both houses to uphold the challenge, and we all know how the Republicans will vote on that little item.

It cannot be filibustered in teh Senate becuase there is no need to call for a vote to close the debate, the length of the debate is set by law.

So although the objection can be placed without anything stopping it, it will not be upheld and thus, Democrats will eb painted as conspiracy theorists and the election reform issue will receive no attention for the next four years, plus we will have set a precedent by which a duly elected Democratic president will be unable to take office due to a Republican challenge where the Democrat loses electors and the House chooses the Republican candidate over the Democratic candidate.

It's a losing proposition, strategically speaking.

[FreepFryer]

11. Depends on your strategy. http://www.redefeatbush.com

[KaliTracy]

13. Not a losing proposition

1. This is about our Democracy.
2. People need to be aware of what really happened -- even if you choose to not call it "fraud" -- it was still highly irregular and NOT something that we should all sit back and sigh and say, well, maybe next time...
3. Whoever is involved in this -- be it over-zealous Bush/Cheney supporters, or something more sinister.... needs to know that we will not take this sitting down.
4. Whenever a collective gathers together things change. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be in 2005 -- but if WE are not satisfied with how our government is being handled, if WE think that people should be held accountable for their actions, then WE need to take a stand in order for the people who represent us know that we are not pleased.
5. Would election reform happen without a Senator standing? Perhaps -- but NOT the way it should be discussed and debated and decided on. If one or more Senator stands -- the American people will hear about it, and, given enough education and room to express their opinion, will be a PART of the process.

[Darknyte7]

14. Was it a losing proposition...

for the Republicans to force a vote on a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage?

What about all of the anti-abortion law votes over the years?

Did the flag burning amendment votes ever hurt the Republicans?

The answer to each of these questions is no. In fact, it probably helped them...

[Salomonity]

16. well said!

You're absolutely right.

What if in 2008 PA goes for Clinton by 50,000 votes, the republicans claim mass fraud in Philly, and disqualify the PA electors?

Right now, the sanctity of the elections process in the eyes of the country is the only thing preventing them from ruthlessly using the electoral challenge mechanism to steal elections.

If you destroy that sanctity, which this sort of challenge will do, it's going to bite us in the future.
If the challenge gets much support this time, there will never again be a fair presidential election: congress will pick the president each time.

And congress is going to be republican for the forseeable future--it's weighted in favor of small states, and those vote republican.

[ClassWarrior]

12. LET HIM TRY.

Now THAT would be news!!

NGU.

[Carolab]

15. No.

He can only break a tie.

[pstans]

17. Evil Dick could...

Evil Dick could extend his robot arm and use his death ray and blow all of the protesting Democrats to pieces.

[cyberpj]

18. Nope. And won't it be GRAND - watching him having to hear them!?!?

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

(7 is my lucky number)

[shiina]

19. Talk real fast?

Is-there-objection-to-the-certificate-just-counted-hearing-none-the-
(gasp for breath)-chair-now-hands-to-the-tellers...

Nothing legal he can do. If a Senator and Congressman both sign it, he has to allow a debate.

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[McCamy Taylor]

21. Dont be silly, W. is the dumb one, Cheney knows better than that.

Solidarity, brother and sisters!