Whats the latest on N. Mexico recount? Kerry won; massive fraud has been

[berniew1]

documented. People need to follow through to make sure this recount happens. Whats at issue supposedly is that the State wants to be paid for entire full recount, much more than what the law requires, about $1.4 million. But most fraud and vote manipulation happened in a few minority counties, and otherwise was related to machine fraud. Full recount not needed to document fraud and incorrect vote results. Greens are correct and the analysts have fully documented the fraud and miscounted votes already. Also huge amount of voter suppression and dirty tricks and malfeasance in the minority precincts. This needs to be followed through on.
Documentation:
Voter Suppression, dirty tricks, fraud
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf
Summary of touchscreen fraud, suppression, dirty tricks
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

Phantom Votes and Fraud
http://www.votersunite.org/info/newmexicophantomvotes.asp
http://www.votersunite.org/info/NewMexico2004ElectionDataReport.pdf
EIRS reports of Touchscreen Default to Bush, etc.
http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html

[Ugnmoose]

1. Any possibility of a challenge here?

Could New Mexico electors be contested? Anyone know anything?

[berniew1]

3. Greens have filed court case in New Mexico. Congress can do whatever

the majority votes for. It takes one Congressman and one Senator to start a challange process. I think N. Mexico is the clearest case and easiest to prove. The margin was only 6,000 votes and its a small state with a few counties being questioned. And the fraud is clear and well documented. But it only has 5 electoral votes so would not swing the election by itself.
But imo having vote machine and other illegal practices and fraud proven in N. Mexico would give added push to investigating the bigger states with more complicated cases, that would take more effort.

Candidates should not be able to get away with illegal practices and fraud. This is a test case, that I think is pretty obvious. But will the public insist on pursuing it?

[berniew1]

2. Another thread on New Mexico fraud and suppression

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x235308

[confuddled]

4. The Dem. Gov. of this new red state is opposed to a recount.

Governor Richardson says in a 12/15 transcript of the Canvassing Board Meeting:
..."But I have to state that I believe a recount is not necessary. I don’t think the recount will change the outcome of the race.President Bush carried New Mexico, according to certified results, by almost 6,000 votes. I think in New Mexico we need to be looking forward and not back. And that’s why I will be proposing a comprehensive election
reform with the Secretary of State, in the next legislative session."...

Sounds a lot like Kerry's approach. All the vote analysis and legal maneuvering is way beyond me and don't know what the current status is. The Green Party might be able to tell you.

My response to the Gov. in part:
..."You may be right that about it not changing the outcome of the race. Without a recount we'll never know, will we? Guess that doesn't matter to you. It does to me. Aside from the Bush-like arrogance of, "I don't think the recount will change the outcome...", it is my understanding that there is legal basis for the recount. Too, this president may have carried Florida in 2000, but we don't know that either because the recount was stopped. He may have carried Florida and Ohio in 2004 according to certified results, but we don't really know that either, do we? Even aside from those cumulative questions, we have no idea of how many voters were disenfranchised by well documented "irregularities", do we? Guess that doesn't matter to you either. It does to me. As for the need for New Mexico "to be looking forward and not back" and the "comprehensive election reform" you propose, the picture of an open barn door and an escaped horse does come to mind. People made wary after the 2000 election results sought verifiable paper trails to no avail. People voted absentee solely to avoid the machines. Stalin said something to effect of, "It doesn't matter who votes. It only matters who counts the votes." There is a sense that the voice of the people is being silenced. Does that matter to you? It does to me". Sincerely ------

Edit: cut&paste error

[rodeodance]

5. "need to be looking forward and not back." This is WH mantra, yet

Gov. Richardson uses it above and Clinton used it a few days ago.
I tire of hearing this. It is dismissive at best!! We can do BOTH!!!

[Jimdish25]

6. That's a persuasive letter....

..that just cuts to the chase. I sent a few today with similar sentiments. Even if they are read, my fear is that a challenge made to energize "the base" means nothing if it is just going through the motions. We don't need a side show that ends in one day.

If Democrats are serious then I'll support national candidates again. If not I may choose principled local candidates and only those who will fight. The Republicans have pretty much purged their party of moderates. We might have to do the same, otherwise I'll be crossing my fingers that we can have a new party to replace the old mule.

[confuddled]

7. Yep, sounds like we are on the same wave length. n/t

[m.standridge]

8. well he's a Clinton-ite

doesn't want to take a chance on anyone getting in the Clintons' way next time.
What I've tried to get across, is that no one is immune to the election fraud. No one. With this in place, it's hopeless next time for everyone.

I appreciate that Kerry isn't his first choice. Right now, it's just to expose and stop the rigging.

[berniew1]

10. There was massive malfeasance and incompetance- they will look bad

and their personal reputations might be harmed. The Sec. of State
(Dem) did a poor job and is trying to cover her ....


Putting personal reputations over ethics and public rights??

[Wilms]

9. Top floor, please...Kick n/t

[Qutzupalotl]

11. KICK

:kick:

[JackORoses]

12. since the democrats

won in Washington
they get that recount money back

they should put that towards New Mexico

[Wilms]

13. Great idea! n/t