What's up with all the anti-Kerry threads? How interesting that

[texpatriot2004]

there are so many tonight. How transparent. It's not about Kerry. It's about Democracy. It's about fair elections. It's about counting all the votes. I just think it's interesting that tonight, of all nights, there are so many Kerry needs to do x, or Kerry didn't do y, or Kerry blah, blah, blah threads. Oh, and the one about the money is really a doozie since that rumor originated with a Rethug. I really don't care how much he has left, I trust that he will use it wisely. It's just disheartening that if we have to lash out, Kerry would be the target. Then again, consider where it's coming from. Well, time will tell...until then, Viva Kerry.

[texpatriot2004]

1. kick it for Kerry

[truthseeker1]

2. "consider where it's coming from???"

I'm PISSED OFF at Kerry and the DNC/DLC and I am NOT A TROLL if that's what you're inferring. C'mon, people, stop being so suspicious. It's normal for us to be pissed at Kerry and to be lashing out at him tonight.

[Warpy]

19. Well, he's out of town, so I'm letting him off the hook this time.

However, the silence from the DNC/DLC has been deafening.

[seabeyond]

3. i was just going to post the same

before retiring. just out of the blue, wham..........lets bring a discouraging atmosphere after a day of progress and a tomorrow to see what is going to happen.

let the threads die

[sd_UDO]

4. Its the Democracy!

Its not Kerry's money, its not whether he is a
Senator or not.

Does he care enough about Democracy
and what happened in OH, FL, and NM,
or is he a career type?

He is in a position to help ALL the votes
be counted for the 04 election.

Whether he uses that power tomorrow for the
voters or not, remains to be seen.

Start UDOs in all 50 states and DC!

Win elections 6 times a year!

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

[loudsue]

5. LOL!! You're right, Tex! While so many DUers are in D,.C., standing up

for our Democracy, the roaches are over here trying to slip their little germs into everything.

Take it with a grain of salt, and step on 'em when you get a chance! They're transparent.

:kick::kick:

[truthseeker1]

24. What the hell are you even talking about?

"the roaches are over here trying to slip their little germs into everything."
:wtf:

[smurfygirl]

6. summary of Ralph Waldo Emerson's "Self-Reliance" essay

Emerson's ideas would certainly exonerate Kerry for changing his mind:


In this essay, Emerson expresses his philosophy of individualism, stating that individuals have only themselves to rely on and therefore every person should be a nonconformist, judging what is right according to his or her own nature. Other people’s reactions should not be taken seriously. One thing that keeps people from self-trust is trying to be consistent with their own past behavior. Emerson maintains that people should have the courage to contradict tomorrow everything they say today. Emerson points to the examples of Socrates and Jesus and argues that to be great is to be misunderstood.

[FreepFryer]

9. that + Thoreau's 'Civil Disobedience' = Required Liberal Reading.

Read the book that inspired Gandhi.

[FreepFryer]

7. 10 and counting. Don't believe the hype. DU'ers... STAY ON POINT. Unite!

[pamela]

8. Viva Kerry!

I like that. Thanks for the post. I'm so sick of the Kerry bashing I could scream. I think DU is either being bombarded by freeptards lately or some of our posters got sucked in by the MSM anti-Kerry spin. He is doing exactly what he needs to be doing.

[FreepFryer]

Most are most definitely freeptards. The others 'discuss'. They 'whine'.

[Laurab]

31. I think it's a little of both

The spin and the freeps. I've seen posts using the RW talking points to describe Kerry way too often lately. I too think he's doing exactly what he needs to be doing. I've never had it adequately explained to me what people really expected him to do, and then, when he DOES do something, it never seems to be the right thing.

He knows who and what he/we are fighting, and how to do it effectively. I have faith that he is doing all that he can. The people who think he should have taken to the street, shouting "fraud, FRAUD", don't seem to know how damaging that would have been. Anyway, I've learned to avoid the Kerry bashing threads because I want to stay OPTIMISTIC dammit!

I can think of so many places that misplaced anger could be better spent - it just saddens me.

[LittleClarkie]

35. Whenever you try to explain how damaging it would be, the reply is

"So? Is he putting his CAREER over our VOTE?!"

or

"So he's a coward then, eh?"

Would these people put all that are and all they have on the line for something that wasn't adequately provable? I wonder.

[pamela]

40. Well said, Laurab. n/t

[skylarmae]

10. you're right / it's about counting the votes. All the votes

and doing something about all the irregularities, i.e., too few voting machines, long lines, incomplete registration logs and on and on and on.

We can't stop until something is done to fix this.....

[genius]

11. People are upset with Kerry. Most of these people worked for him.

and feel let down. It's important to remember that those posting these threads are still working to put him in the White House.

[FreepFryer]

15. Hmmm. Most of my friends from the Kerry campaign don't feel that way.

[truthseeker1]

27. well, gee, the world revolves around you, eh?

so anyone who feels differently MUST be a freeper, a troll. I'm so sick of the intolerance for a different opinion around here.

[FreepFryer]

28. I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing Kerry's former workers here,

not attacking people for their points of view.

That's a freeper's job.

We can all tolerate any point of view, when it's combined with a reasonable amount of LISTENING.

That's the thing that tends to separate out the DU'ers from the others... listening and not immediately trying to disable one's partner in the dialogue.

Right?

[truthseeker1]

34. Why did you edit your post? HUh?

[FreepFryer]

51. What? You're losing it, chuckles. Soak your head.

Editing _is_ allowed, no?

I edited this post, does that make you uncomfortable?

[seabeyond]

20. i did, i gave money, i gave 6 months of my life

my kids and my husband couldnt wait to get me back nov 2.......and guess what they didnt get me back

look at all we are going against. there isnt the "smoking gun" everyone insists on before investigation. we have ohio appointees and judges literally breaking the law and no uproar. corporations breaking election laws and not a peep. the people in the u.s. arent aware of what is up

what do you expect from kerry. a magic wand

this is tough stuff

[truthseeker1]

30. I feel exactly as you do - spent a year and a half

gave up a lot and my husband also couldn't wait to get me back on nov. 3 -

No, not looking for a magic wand from Kerry, just a little bit of support...a tiny glimmer of hope from him perhaps. His email today was the final straw for me. Sorry, I can't help but lash out. I've held off and held it in since Nov. 3. Can't do it anymore.

[seabeyond]

43. but see truth seeker, i was surprised to see your post

i hear ya. but i didnt get that feel from his letter today as you. i was bothered this last month, spending so much time and not hearing from kerry, i was a couple days ago to the point of saying, you know, if he didnt want us to bother, if he didnt want this movement, surely he would speak out so we werent all wasting our time and putting out this effort

what i saw in his letter today made me feel better, not worse. i think the wording was real clear. he says wont be for the protest tomorrow, this is the senate and conyers and the peoples to do, but he is ready to go once that is panned out. i didnt see he is cutting and running. i didnt see him ignoring the fraud. i heard clearly that he is backing what is going on. that says i am not wasting my time

the letter made me feel better today. not worse. i am not bothered he wont be there tomorrow. i personally think it is a good idea him not being there.

but from previous posts, i know you have been right there too

lets see what happens tomorrow. i dont know

[Laurab]

46. I was ecstatic when I got his email today

He didn't say "nothing to see here, move along". He was encouraging people to be activists. He let us know that he was aware of the voting "irregularities", and that he intended to do something about it. He asked 3 million people to annoy the hell out of Congress to bring election fraud to their attention. He said he would not "formally" challenge the election tomorrow. "formally" being, to me, the important word.

Everything else in his email today - including the 6 or so references to making phone calls, was PRO fighting election fraud. There's only so much you can do without absolute PROOF. That email made my day.

[Proud_Lefty]

12. Anyone get Kerry's last email?

I did. It was a few weeks ago and was identical to the one I got when I first joined his campaign, several months ago. Some speculated that someone had hacked into the campaign's database. I understand Kerry's in the Middle East right now. Why would he send this message out the day before a challenge to the electorial might happen? Just been wondering.

[saltpoint]

13. I would have been much better off if --

-- John Kerry could have been my parent, my teacher, my high school principal, my friend.

I believe a handful of rat-souled Republicans stole my chance of having him as my president.

I'm REAL focused.

[FreepFryer]

17. Right on - we Dems weren't the only ones defrauded... ALL OF AMERICA WAS.

[saltpoint]

22. Here, here!

Also: nice to see Mr. Twain as your avatar.

[FreepFryer]

25. I'm studying 'curmudgeon 101' and he's the first three chapters. LOL

[saltpoint]

29. : )

[LittleClarkie]

14. I still have his back

They'll have to pry me off it.

(There's a visual I didn't need.)

(I ain't light, neither.)

[bunny planet]

21. me too LittleClarkie

[lib_1138]

33. Did you know there is a FReeper who claims to be you?

I know it isn't, since you talk so differently.

Here is one of his/her posts:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1314909/posts?page=49#49

[bunny planet]

37. OMG I am horrified.

I never go to Freeperville if I can help it. Has this happened to others? That is definitely creepy. The name is from a popular Children's book that I read to my kids when they were little. Is this person posting as me on DU, if so I haven't read any of the imposter posts here. I am so creeped out now, I need a drink to calm down. Thanks for telling me...I think.

:beer: :beer: :beer: :scared:

Should I alert the Mods?

[bunny planet]

45. I looked at the thread again and someone is actually quoting from one of

my posts there. Time for a midnight shower. This is just too nasty for words. I need an exorcism.

[bunny planet]

50. freedumb2003 is claiming to be me. I knew I shouldn't have chosen such

a cute name. I refuse to change it. I'll just have to make sure everyone knows it's not me in 'no freep left behind'land.

Damn the freepers, full speed ahead.

[surfermaw]

16. No wonder the republican are winning

They stick togeather, and would vote for the devil without complaining. Sticking togeather is exactly what democrats aren't doing.

[FreepFryer]

18. Oh yes we are. More every day. Despite the fifth-column freeptics.

[whalerider55]

36. maw

sticking together? they're eating their own selves right now b/t replacing their vets committee chair and trying to slit spectors throat. don't confuse a discplined, but co-oed party for a lockstep march to the sea. anyone who doesn't kiss falwaell's ass is getting the heave ho. so it is hard to imagine that at some point down the road, there will be enough of them left to man the oars.

still, i t feels a little like what seems to bve happening here. no more dialogue. no more difference of opinion.

lately, when i present an analysis of why i think we should be pursuing a different strategy, i get lumped with freeptards, and trolls.

how very like the pugs in that regard.

we have met the enemy. and we are beginning to act a lot like them. intolerant of different opinions. no debate, just name-calling. no listening.

sad. sad.

flame away, friends.

whalerider55

[Sydnie]

38. Just wanted to say Hi to surfermaw

Haven't seen you post in so long. I am glad you are back with us.


To those that just can't stop themselves --

Tonight is not the night to bash Kerry (not that any night is) with so much anxiety about the opportunities awaiting us tomorrow.

Today's email was so exciting for me and no amount of naysaying will take that from me.

You can't have my excitement. It's mine and I own it. If I am disappointed tomorrow, then that will be my hurt and I will own it.
And if that does happen and I am hurting tomorrow, will you say "I told you so" or will you comfort me and give me something to hope for?
We can either help each other or we can tear each other down.

We can agree to disagree about how we should proceed, but isn't the end result that we seek the same? Don't we all want to see democracy removed from life support tomorrow because it can survive without it rather than because it has expired?

[smurfygirl]

23. I just have to finally get this out

I have been watching these boards since the big upset and I see everyone talking about who we should put up on the chopping block next. Hillary, Dean, Obamma. How about we start a real revolution here. I mean here we are bitching about what losers all these senators and congressmen are and how democracy was just robbed from us again, so why aren't "WE" changing this. How about one of us DUers from each state, county, precinct, jump on board and run for office. How about instead of funneling our money into the wigs already on the hill we funnel it right here. Start our own campaigns. We are big enough. We are strong enough. And most importantly we are angry enough. I think it would work and it's about time we get some common folk on the hill.

[FreepFryer]

26. A few of us

are.

I'll keep you posted... anyone else out there considering a career in office? :)

[FreepFryer]

47. Amen, Sister. You are COMPLETELY RIGHT. All that can defeat us, is us.

Great post. Glad you wrote that.

[seabeyond]

49. i inhaled otherwise, lol lol, i have the time

i dont work. know most everyone in town.........

[New Earth]

32. yes, and people need to give it up

cuz they sure as hell aren't going to change anyone's mind about anything :hi:

[juajen]

39. I trust him, period. I am sick of all those threads.

N/T
edited: spelling

[wakemewhenitsover]

44. Hmm. Same exact message now posted 3 times on one thread

Discrediting exit polls... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x236490

[EFerrari]

41. I wonder why you'd waste everyone's time being so negative yourself?

Innuendo, ridicule, sneering. (How is that useful, in your world?)

Maybe try to wrap your mind around the fact that we don't all share heads. In some other brain, that would be understood as democracy.

There's an idea.

[Laurab]

48. I must have missed all that

And I read the original post a couple of times. I didn't see it as being negative at all. But then, I only have one brain, if that.

[Mirwib]

42. The "anti-Kerry" threads are not just here

Evan Thomas was joined by Eleanor Clift, T. Trent Gegax and Susannah Meadows inorder to write a very anti-Kerry column in Newsweek.

(see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6777696/site/newsweek )

It is just what happens to people when they lose; everybody is a great Monday-morning quaterback.

[txindy]

52. Excellent post. Some people can't wait until tomorrow's events

One whole day, but they want their personal gratification NOW. Because they're "entitled," dangit!! Pfft. :eyes: I wonder what their true motivations are to be attacking John Kerry. If there have been any plans coming together behind the scenes these last two months, we'll see some of the fruits of those labors tomorrow, yet there are still people who can't wait another day. They just have to wail and moan today.

Go for it, people. I think K/E should find out just who their real friends are now, anyway. Everyone should. They've seen some of their aides/staffers jump ship and backbite in Newsweek and other media. It helps to have a shakeout like this. Clears the air. I know I find it useful, not to mention very interesting.

[NVMojo]

53. I chalk it up to the maturity level ....

Go Kerry! We got f*cked along with you!!! But you got it out in public and still held your head high....this time it's up to us!!!

Did voters rebell like this when Gore got screwed??

[yardwork]

54. I'm genuinely irritated with Kerry but I'm pumped for tomorrow!

This Socialist wants the Democrats to stand up and refuse to certify this blatantly stolen vote tomorrow!

I voted for Kerry. I was proud to vote for Kerry. I've voted Democratic all my life. I'm ticked off with Kerry today but that doesn't matter. This isn't about Kerry.

It's about Democracy.

[zann725]

55. Exactly! I think it's what we're all learning from this.

It's so energizing and enlightening to be a part of.