Bigger Than We Think?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

Could the complete hesitancy to investigate this issue, be due to the fact that if it is true, and significant criminal, beyond comprehensible, Fraud took place, we would have a worldwide embarassment and potential governmental crisis? Could it very likely be that this is being hung over those with the ability to bring the subject out, in hopes it will just go away?

We can only hope it is not avoided, and steps are taken to seriously look into what occurred on 11/2.

[RaleighNCDUer]

1. It would have to be pretty damn big to be bigger than I think. n/t

[saltpoint]

2. Same here.

If you cheat to win, you aren't the winner.

You're a rat.

[sd_UDO]

3. In 1973, the press really investigated Watergate

Now the press is whimpy--even the
Washington Post is.

We are The Ultra Press, the Ultra Democrats.

Here's what we can do---->>

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

[roenyc]

13. Oh but that was so 9/10

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[VoteJohn04_com]

5. DITTO

http://www.stolenvotes.org

We're talking monsterous!

Heck, I suspect that this could make Watergate look
like a mere drip from the faucet of the kitchen sink! :)

Bush: "What did you do?"

Nixon: "Oh, I had some people break into my opponants office...you?"

Bush: "Nothing much--just completely orchastrated a hostile
take over of a major country through voter fraud
and suppression. I mean, it's enough for them to know
that they 'voted' isn't it?!"

Will the real Senators please stand up!

http://www.stolenvotes.org

[Last Lemming]

14. Don't forget

targetted assasination

[dreamcollector]

9. Most people outside America think

they were at the very least complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attack. Isn't that pretty big? Nothing tin-foil hat about it. The official story is completely absurd.

[Orsino]

21. Yep. Big, All Right.

So big, that all Rs will be tarnished, and many Dems may look complicit, too.

I can't see the story ever coming out, though. Will the MSM take responsibility for burying the story? Will Rs pretend to be shocked, and legislate away their permanent edge in future elections?

I don't think so. I'm afraid that the only way out is violence, and that terrifies me. I think that our corporate-controlled media and government are now so rigid that they *can't* bend, and may have to break.

Scary.

[rwenos]

4. If it were THAT Big . . .

It would attract the attention of the BIG GUYS who really run the country.

They wouldn't let it happen. Bad for business. Bad for the ARMS business. Bad for the OIL business. Bad for the International Banking business.

But we'll never know those guys' names.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

6. Aren't Those The Guys Controlling Things Now Anyways? n/t

[rwenos]

7. Absolutely Yes

And they don't want to hand back the strings to the marionette!

[genieroze]

8. They should have thought about this crime before committing it

As the repukes say do the crime do the time. Who ever was involved in this scam should be charged as traitors to the Constitution.

[KnowerOfLogic]

10. I think there is a certain hesitancy to deal w/ it because it is so big;

basically there are two options, as a lot of people in power see it, i think: 1) there was no significant fraud, hence no need to investigate, 2)there is a strong possibility of election theft, but the country could not handle it if it was proven, hence it's better not to even open the can of worms. We definitely need leaders who are not faint of heart right now, because the joke of an election system in this country *must* be corrected. Now.

[Peace Patriot]

11. Yes, I think the issue of legitimacy is a very, very, very big part of...

...what all's going on. And I hope John Kerry hasn't fallen prey to the argument that challenging Bush would harm the legitmacy of the US government, because exactly the opposite is true. Right now, we are the laughingstock of the world, when we are not being pitied and despised.

In Germany, they put all PAPER ballots into a GLASS CONTAINER, and there they stay, for all to see, until they are HAND COUNTED before multiple witnesses. And their Exit Polls are never, never doctored by out of control, government lapdog news media, to make those in power appear to have won.

I imagine Kerry has gotten an earful from his contacts in European government. They've had a lot more blood spilt on their soil in rebellions and revolutions, and in the long struggle for democratic government, not to mention having endured the nightmare of Nazi evil.

Americans are babies. We have never really been tested. Do we want a democracy? Do we really? Are we willing to watch over glass containers full of votes all the night through? Are we too busy to do that, and all the other constant vigilance that will be needed to recover our democracy and keep it this time?

Those folks over there know what the loss of it means.

I hope they've told him a thing or two.

THEY know legitimacy when they see it.

[roenyc]

15. you are right

there were democrats in Florida who were older and had a terrible time handling the loss of the election. they needed therapy and the freepers were laughing at them.

but they were old Jews and they know whats happening. they went trough it before.

sooner or later even the stupid freeps will stop laughing. no one wins in this kind of government.

[Kellanved]

22. amazing how much one can learn here about elections in Germany

Alas, I've never seen either the glass containers, nor those fantastic exit polls I keep reading about.

Yes, very few voting machines are used, but that's it. Neither are the Exit Polls any more accurate, nor do they have any special status. (expect that it is not allowed to publish them while the polling stations are still open).

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[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Is that why Kerry sent an e-mail to everyone on his list

telling us call all our Representatives, especially the Repug ones and then set up a mechanism to make it easy to notify his website when you do?

I guess you're not on his e-mail list?

[roenyc]

17. check out the boston globe

Kerry urges supporters to swamp GOP leaders with calls
By Noelle Straub
Thursday, January 6, 2005

WASHINGTON - Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday launched a Capitol Hill switchboard assault on two top Republicans, urging backers nationwide to call to demand election voting reforms.

In an e-mail to nearly 3 million supporters, Kerry wrote, ``Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.

http://news.bostonherald.com/politics/view.bg?articleid=62067

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[Chimpanzee]

19. Reports? Is that like, 'some people say there are reports'?

:eyes:

[rockedthevoteinMA]

20. Do you have a link?? Or is this just because someone's brother's

cousin of a friend three times removed said this? :eyes:

[emulatorloo]

28. There are reports that the moon is made of green cheese EOM

[liberalMabhool]

23. Keep harping the Fraud issue and the Democrats will lose

in 2006 and 2008.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

24. okay all knowing one. lol. n/t

[SmokingJacket]

27. So we'll win if we let the Repubs have their secret software,

indimidation tactics, repression, and pretend it's all just peachy?

Right.:eyes:

[RollergirlVT]

25. Is the United States the new Chile?

If the US government has become that corrupt will investors lose confidence and push the dollar value lower still? Yes it could be a consideration. We are on very shaky ground as it is, and a scandal of this magnitude could have unforeseen consequences.

[McCamy Taylor]

30. Good lord no! What happened in Chile was WAY worse than this.

We survived Watergate just fine. We will survive Votergate.

[IndyPriest]

26. I'm sure "protecting us" is part of some thinking.

Don't want to scare the children. It does amaze me ehow often "protecting the people" is a cover for protecting the backsides of incompetent officials.

[keepthemhonest]

29. Yes i agree

some don't want america to be embarrassed.Well that is not our fault we were not the ones who cheated, we are just the ones bringing it to their attention.

Some of the people who are opposing these issues were voted in on systems like these and will likely be voted out the next time when we can actually have a real election.Especially in georgia where we have all diebold and no paper trail.