OFFICIAL SENATE THREAD HERE!

[crispini]

[crispini]

1. Wait, WTF, aren't they gonna cover it on C-SPAN 2?

We're waiting!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

2. Just got a caption saying that they're going to start it soon

All the Senators had to move over to their own chamber first.

[crispini]

Here we go, CSPAN-2.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. Thanks Crispi...beat me to it!!

[SW FL Dem]

4. SH*T Stephanie on CSPAN1 and Barbara on CSPAN2 who to watch??

[SharonRB]

9. Since I'm streaming at work, I opened two browsers

and have one in each, plus one for DU. My speaker has both of them coming over on top of each other. I'm taping C-SPAN 1 at home, so as the senate gets going, I'll probably watch that more.

[Up2Late]

202. Tape ONE Watch the other

Or just wait till after 6pm, It should be replayed 2 or 3 more times in the next few days!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. Boxer --> my new Hero! n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

7. She looks very presidential to me.

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. Barbara is using the same statement she did in the press

conference. I was hoping she would go after Blackwell's jugular. Maybe they'll do that over in the House?

[dooner]

8. Barbara Boxer speaking in Senate

Talking about long lines, lack of machines, voters leaving because they couldn't wait in long lines to vote, machine irregularities,

you go girl. Is she wearing orange (or is that my tv)?

[tjdee]

10. Can't wait to see the Republicans talk their shit.

Cannot WAIT.

How in the world can they dispute what they're hearing?

[crispini]

11. Aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's BOXER!

For all our lives we have fought for different kind of justice. Now we have a new fight -- a fight for electoral justice. That every person's vote has as much weight as any other persons. In the voting booth every one is equal. Why did people have to wait hours in the rain to vote. Waiting in line until 4 AM to vote. There were only two voting machines. Voters in poor and AA communities had to wait. Holding back 68 machines in working order in warehouses. Why in Colombus estimated 5000 to 10000 voters left polling places in frustration. How many others didn't even bother to vote. Franklin county, voting machine awarding extra votes to Shrub.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

12. DeWine putting on his "poor injured Republican" act

:puke:

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. That's better than Pryce.

She dropped some major fangs and bit hard on the democratic jugular over in the house.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. she is still at it

[CottonBear]

39. "Their (Dems) obsession is a front for lack of ideas."

Pryce just said this a few moments ago.

[Beth in VT]

137. you have to admit the Repubs have ideas.

[Stephanie]

49. and she got in "conspiracy theorists"

boy it's getting tiresome

[kath]

21. Fuck you, Dewine, you asshole.

[nutsnberries]

ditto from me

[tjdee]

22. "Wild accusations"....what a jerkoff.

Quoting Ohio papers that say the election is over.

Not the point, jerkoff.

[mountainvue]

13. A Republican just said fraud...

good, it's out there.

[crispini]

14. Here's the thing. We passed HAVA but then we did nothing.

We couldn't even get a hearing on the paper trail amendment.

The centerpiece of this country is democracy; the centerpiece of democracy is ensuring the right to vote. Let us not turn away from the things that happened in Ohio. People are dying to bring democracy to the far corners of the world. Let's fix it here!

[dooner]

15. Barbara wraps up

Senator DeWine from Ohio "can't believe we're debating whether Bush won"

"Wild, incoherent charges"

Excuse me Mr. WHINER?

[Gloria]

16. DeWine is such a whiner! What a little prick!!

eom

[BernieBear]

24. Dewine Contact Call

DeWine, Mike - (R - OH) Class I
140 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: dewine.senate.gov

Complain that he would show derision to checking the vote didn't he see the lines

[hippiegranny]

38. dewhiner used editorials as his proof

NEXT

[SillyGoose]

17. INCOHERENT?????????

DeWine says incoherent???????

:nuke:

[mikedaul]

29. editorials?

what articles is deWHINE reading from?

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

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[WritersBlock]

20. Completely unsubstantiated? Is DeWine calling Conyers a liar? n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

27. Yes, I do believe he did.

[WritersBlock]

So all DeWine has to quote from is editorials. Weak. Very weak. n/t

[WritersBlock]

46. Part of the record? Newspaper editorials? ROFL

[anamandujano]

35. dewine quoting the whore press--priceless

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. A pro-senator needs to make the point that this isn't about

winning the election for Kerry or the democrats. It's about election processes that are so damned flawed it's impossible to tell who won. And in the next breath point out what sore losers they are in Washington.

[DearAbby]

40. Senator DeWhine, please note its the VOTE Stupid...I want it to count! n/t

[Divine Ms Q]

26. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO WON

It's about how the election was conducted!

Is this prick calling the 1,000 of disenfranchised votes "outrageous claimes???"

Isn't he elected to represent ALL of Ohioans?????

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. Great minds, see above....also...

I'm a little tired of him quoting from newspapers as if their editorials are legally binding. His comments that the bi-partisan election has not a shred of evidence of manipulation is downright insulting. Would someone please, please mention Blackwell and his conflict of interest?

How can these people stand up and say these things in good conscience? They are lying their tails off.

[dooner]

28. Ohio's DeWiner...

What a moron!!

Now he is quoting editorials calling us nutjobs.

[Maat]

41. Why isn't Al Franken covering this?

Fellow DUers - what is up?

[Stephanie]

65. switch to Pacifica radio

www.wbai.org

[musette_sf]

notice they don't quote the editorials

that endorsed JFK

[Alizaryn]

30. DeWine is quoting "editorials" can't speak for himself.

[bunny planet]

right he has to read from a right wing newspaper instead of making a

speech.

Mandate my ass!!!!!!!!!!
If you cannot verify, you cannot certify, Mr. DeWhiner.

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. Wasn't that amazingly stupid?

[seito]

31. Spin, spin, spin

I hope people see why John Kerry could not be involved in this. This is NOT about John Kerry.

[keepthemhonest]

32. what or who should we be watching out for anyone in particular?

[burythehatchet]

33. Official republican contribution to the debate

DeWine reading newspapers.

[kath]

34. can't listen to that asshole dewine anymore, ore I'll throw something at

my monitor!

[Democrat 4 Ever]

57. Looks like every Dem Senator is bailing out now.

Don't even have enough to speak to use up the allowed time. Now have a Dem Senator Mark Dayton, of Minn telling us we are all "misguided." Okay, we have been sold down the river. Start taking names, we gotta a lot of work to do.

[Malikshah]

36. DeWine is a lazy ass

he didn't have time to come up with something of his own, but is now reading MSM bullshit

This is not a representative of the people, but a mouthpiece for corporate media--

Ohioans-- vote this prick out!!

[keepthemhonest]

42. is that who is on right now?

what a close minded dip.

[jaime_176]

98. This is hard to watch. n/t

[Karenca]

43. FUCK YOU DEWINE...I HAVE NT.

[keepthemhonest]

48. Did any one

tell him KERRY WON GET OVER IT!

[Zenlitened]

45. "Eeverybody says you're a poopy-head, so nyah nyah!"

Gotta love the way these repukes construct an argument.

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

[demo dutch]

47. I can't stand to listen to house nonsense I'am switching to the Senate

[demo dutch]

53. Dayton (D) Minnesota is bashing Boxer!

[demo dutch]

63. I hope Minnesota Dems will make him pay!!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

56. It is not any better over here.

Dayton has no clue!

[kath]

59. well, I couldn't stand to listen to DeWIne, so I switched to theHouse!

[Pacifist Patriot]

50. DAYTON: Seriously misguided? AAAGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

61. Mark, NOOOOO!

:argh:

[JerseygirlCT]

129. WTF??????

[Alizaryn]

51. Dayton .. is deluded.

[Pirate Smile]

52. Dayton rises to disagree with Boxer.

OMG

[keepthemhonest]

58. is he

stuttering or is it just my computer streaming?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

he stutters

:shrug:

[keepthemhonest]

thanks Lydia leftcoast

I could not really tell, he sounded nervous but It's hard to tell with this computer streaming.Thanks

[Vanje]

214. Its hard for a fella speak well when he's ....

.....got his lips wrapped around republican dick

[bufftiger]

54. Sen Dayton Dem-MN is disagreeing

[bunny planet]

71. What a disappointment. He obviously has not read the Constitution.

This 2 hour debate is specified, and although it is probably symbolic in nature, he is not seeing the big picture, it is very important. Such a shame.

[bunny planet]

81. are his five minutes up yet? Geez.......

[WritersBlock]

73. More like dithering? There's precedent for this in 1960, isn't there?

The Hawaii vote?

Wonder why he sounds so nervous.

[WritersBlock]

97. Okay, Dick, if it's so important that people can be sure of their vote,

why the hell aren't you objecting to Ohio? I guess everyone except the people who voted in Ohio in 2004 have a right to know their vote is secure.


On edit.. responded to the wrong post, but ya'll get the drift :7

[Verve]

106. THE NEW ZEN MILLER! Sen Dayton-MN n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

195. Not at all. I'm a Minnesotan, and Dayton has been very good

I wonder if they got to him somehow. He seems to have rediscovered his old stammer.

[seafan]

55. Sen.DeWine (OH) says the objections are "wild, incoherent, and

completely unsubstantiated."

Just love the language he's using... "conspiracy theorists, naysayers are loud and repetitious, but few in number...."


"The naysayers have produced NOTHING to prove their theories."

"It would take 1000's of conspirators to pull this off."

blah, blah, blah....



I think 5-foot Senator Boxer has knocked them off their game.

[glitch]

85. That's funny cuz he was the only one looking incoherent.

Poor guy, good swindles don't get noticed. On the bad side of * now.

[tjdee]

60. Is that Mark Dayton being an ASSCLOWN?

Surely that isn't Democrat Mark Dayton talking the bullshit I'm hearing?

[Oreo]

72. He just lost my vote

[dooner]

62. Harry Reid & Sen. Dayton

Reid calling Senators to come in to speak. Majority (repubs) may not have another speaker.. phew, that's a relief..

Dem. Senator Dayton from Minnesota speaking against Boxer and this process.

(With dems like this, who needs republicans?)

[kath]

70. Sheesh, Dayton - join the Repug party, asswipe.

[dooner]

79. Dayton says "democracy not a perfect process"

Now supporting Boxer's concerns (huh?)
Calling for hearings to consider election problems.

In summary, I guess he thinks Boxer has some legitimate concerns,
but shouldn't be questioning now, in this way.

Needs a good therapist IMO.

[DearAbby]

82. Senator Dayton didnt you have someone read Conyers report for ya?

People were DENIED THE RIGHT TO VOTE! Take names guys...people like this do not represent us

[Pirate Smile]

64. Reid said if anybody wants to speak they better be there now

and he said nothing about the election

[Snivi Yllom]

66. thank god Dayton is expressing rationality

he is discussing all of the negatives I find terrifying

[Viva_La_Revolution]

78. he's certainly flustered and not making sense now... wtf?

[euler]

67. They're not following the script !!

[SharonRB]

68. Whose side is Dayton on, anyway?

Some Democratic!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

69. Mark Dayton is now on the *hit list...

that's too bad.

[SharonRB]

83. If I lived in Minnesota, I would not vote for him!

[katinmn]

74. %$#@$%^&^% Dayton!

Sorry we couldn't convince him. We tried. We really tried.

[Karenca]

75. Dayton.....what the fuck is his

problem??
Never mind...Now he's going with Boxer.

[Karenca]

80. never mind..FUCK YOU DAYTON.........nt

[Redneck Socialist]

76. Frigging tool!

I'm too pissed to type straight.

[tjdee]

77. You're going to destroy the country if you keep asking questions!!

Thanks Mark!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

84. What the hell?

Now Durbin!

They're hanging Boxer out to dry. :-(

[Occulus]

86. Um, he just thanked her.

[katinmn]

91. I hope Obama and Clinton and Dodd come forward as has been

suggested they would.

[SharonRB]

92. He's taking a more middle-of-the-road position

At least he thanked her for doing this.

[Karenca]

87. Durbin thanks Boxer. ....... nt

[tjdee]

88. Dick Durbin is explaining this to the 5 year olds who can't understand the

point.

This is about our ELECTORAL system, not whatever the hell Mark Dayton was talking about.

[Silver Gaia]

89. Where are the rest of our Senators???

These guys are just buying time, you guys! Unless our voices get in there, the Repubs are gonna close the debate.

[Redneck Socialist]

90. Fuck you Durbin. n/t

[Terre]

WHO chooses the senators that get to speak anyway?

And if Durbin doesn't know much about Ohio, HOW THE HELL can he debate it?!

Another on my shit list.

Talk about Dems sitting on the fence.

[Zenlitened]

93. Why this grandstanding by Dems? WTF is wrong with them?

Can't they just STFU and vote to certify Ohio? Why this need to cut the legs out from under Boxer? :grr:

[tx_dem41]

94. You guys realize that this is all pretty well scripted don't you?.....

Durbin's speech proves it.

[leftchick]

95. WTF is wrong with these Dems???

"I don't know what irregularities happened in Ohio but I am ready to vote to certify!"
:grr:

[crispini]

96. Dick Durbin.

I will vote to certify, people are saying that the irregularites do not rise to a level to challenge the outcome. KE had 2000 lawyers on the ground on election day. The nature of this debate do not go to the results of the election but rather to our electoral system. I thank her (Boxer). gives us an opportunity to look at the challenges we face. Voters who wish to cast a vote are not certain that their vote will be counted, that they can vote in a fair and convient matter. On a bipartisan basis, we can and should do better.

[crispini]

102. Now he's talking about JJ's constitutional amendment.

Federal right to vote. I will take this one seriously.

Talking about irregularities, wants to enter CONYERS REPORT INTO PUBLIC RECORD! wooo!

Shit, lost stream!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

99. Dick Durbin makes the List!

the O8) one!

[tx_dem41]

100. My prediction: The objection will be withdrawn (if that's possible). n/t

[demo dutch]

107. It not about overthrowing the election (eventhough the repugs

think so) it's about fixing the process!

[tx_dem41]

116. I didn't say it wasn't. This "debate" is obviously scripted to not

really challenge the Ohio results to make soundbites on the electoral process. I don't believe the Democrats will allow a roll call vote to actually occur.

[demo dutch]

101. It this going to be a lot of BS!! will they really do something?

because de repugs are treating this like coup d'etat!

[dooner]

103. Durbin (Dem - Illinois) also somewhat conflicted

Sees no evidence of widespread fraud, etc. etc.
But does see some problems. Thanks Boxer for raising issues.

Lukewarm IMO.

Now talking about irregularities in IL w/prov. ballots.

These Senators need to get out more.

[dooner]

Sen. Debbie Stabenow, MI Dem.

Ok, she seems to get it.

Sticking to problems with voting equipment and how it affects
minority areas.

"Constitution requires we listen."

[vanboggie]

104. Go Debbie!!!!

She got my email :)

[sldavis]

109. Debbie rocks!

She got my email, too!

[vanboggie]

112. Yes Debbie - paper trail like ATM's n/t

[bain_sidhe]

105. Debbie Stabenow! That's my Senator

Love :loveya: Stabenow!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

115. Wait, you don't have paper trails in Vegas, right?

[bain_sidhe]

139. uh oh...

"I do not support holding up the certification with this challenge..."

Damn, Debbie, there goes your floaty heart.

[SharonRB]

108. Here comes Stabenow --

Let's see if I'm going to vote for her next time!

[SharonRB]

111. Go, Debbie --

I got through to her office yesterday. So far, so good. Sounds like she still has my vote.

[Greybnk48]

110. Well this hearing is separating the women from the girls!

[SharonRB]

113. No shi*t!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

114. No kidding.

I am so proud to have two x chromosomes today. These ladies rock!

[demo dutch]

117. Would love her as a senator!!

[Verve]

121. Apology to men but WOMEN KICK ASS! Go Girls!

[SharonRB]

122. So glad she's one of mine!

[Greybnk48]

126. YEA TEDDY

Fuckin A!!!!!!!!!!! He's officially a woman in my book.

[euler]

118. This was predictablke, I think.

Notice what's happenning. The republican aren't talking a whole lot. Democrats that think the objection was silly, are the ones talking FOR the other side - republicans. The republicans have manipulated this into a contest between democrats and democrats.

[tx_dem41]

Yes...this is ALL very obviously scripted. I predict the objection is..

...withdrawn. A roll call vote might be disastrous.

[tx_dem41]

142. My other prediction...

This forum is going to be horribly ugly very shortly as some people realize they were used.

[Zenlitened]

154. "a contest between democrats and democrats"

Exactly. Why are some dems such tools? Argh! :grr:

[Pacifist Patriot]

119. As it Stands Now:

Pro-Democracy: (signed objection or indicated OH investigation is appropriate)

Boxer
Lautenberg (zinged Blackwell)

Playing It Relatively Safe: (i.e. sees a problem but wants to move on with legislation instead of a contest):

Stabenow
Kennedy
Wyden
Clinton (compared us to foreign democracies)
Reid (but damn he sounds reluctant)
Harkin "a ten hour wait to vote is acid in the face of democracy"


Anti-Democracy: (wants the voters to go screw themselves)

DeWine
Dayton
Durbin

[mikedaul]

127. come on teddy

i hope he has something good to say...

[Verve]

134. Afterwords make a new thread with your list. ALL will be hearing from us

they better behave!

[DearAbby]

120. Women with cajones! n/t

[demo dutch]

125. Love Kennedy but where has he been all this time!

[keepthemhonest]

130. it sounds like some of the senators

do not even know about all the details, wither that or they are just ignoring them

[BernieBear]

123. Go TED!

[SharonRB]

124. Here comes Kennedy -- let's see what he says....

[BernieBear]

138. By Accident or Design!!!!

[SharonRB]

143. Teddy rocks!

[kath]

128. Teddy up now.

[saracat]

132. seems okay. Hillary just walked behind him!

[demo dutch]

131. Love Kennedy but where has he been all this time!

[keepthemhonest]

140. go kennedy!

Yes fix the problems

and complete confidence!

[Zenlitened]

133. Hillary's in the house!

Well, senate actually. Did you see her just walk up behind Kennedy?

Yah, baby!

[Alizaryn]

135. Go Kennedy!

[tjdee]

136. Ted Kennedy is a winner, as usual. No shock here.

He is thanking the thousands of citizens who wanted today to happen this way.

[crispini]

141. Stabenow and Kennedy

OK, I thought Stabenow was good. talking about all of the voting problems. HAVA -- provisional ballot was rendered "practicially wortheless" -- Ohio SOS. Don't support holding up certification of result, but do support.

It's Kennedy! For the second time in a row there were so many complaints about how voting happened. Right to vote is the cornerstone of our democracy. HAVA was not adequate. He's bringing up Voting Rights Act! wooo! "we still have work to do, the votes of many who wanted to vote were not in fact counted." GOOD STUFF

Far from clear whether or not this was intentional. Opportunity to admit 2004 election was flawed.

[WritersBlock]

144. There is no "accident or design." There is only Blackwell.

[keepthemhonest]

147. He makes you believe

that maybe there is hope for our democracy,right?

[yojon]

145. Teddy is pissing in the wind

They're not interested in repairing the voting process - just fixing it.
:-(

[Silver Gaia]

146. Thank God/dess! They're there, now... I was gettin' worried...

n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

148. Ron Wyden up!

My ex-Senator.

Talking about the importance of a paper trail.

[demo dutch]

153. Thank god they're talking election reform instead of coup d'etat!

[WritersBlock]

159. Yep. Bet none of them got much sleep last night

because they knew what they said today would be scrutinized very closely.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

149. Wyden... My Senator...

I've been on the fence about him. This will show his colors.

on edit! HE NAMES MORE STATES!!!! THANK YOU!!!

[WritersBlock]

Should Mitzi be our new mascot?

[CrownPrinceBandar]

150. Where's Byrd?

[shakerbaker]

163. He's probably so disgusted with all of the lapdog's

in the Senate.have you red his book? It's so sad.

[dooner]

151. Sen. Wyden, OR, dem

Sounding logical, credible, and obviously gets it.

although "wouldn't have changed the election"

[SharonRB]

158. His state is the model for what we should do as a country.

[Verve]

152. Ron Wyden D-Oregon discussing every vote needs a Paper Trail!

"Credible journalists now have documented credible irregularities all across the nation...".GO WYDEN!!!!

[DearAbby]

187. BLACKWELL has a target on his back now! n/t

[shakerbaker]

155. Oregon-Be Proud of Wyden!!

He is Right On!!

[bunny planet]

157. When will someone mention Warren County?????????????

[winsflorida]

156. I think I know

why John Kerry didn't want to be here for this!!!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

161. Why? please, I'm still trying to figure it out!

[cags]

162. Why, please explain it to me, because I don't get it

[crispini]

160. Kennedy and Wyden

Kennedy: We are registering our protest against the flawed voting process. Wooooooooooo! No democracy worth the name can allow such a flawed election process to take place again.

Wyden D-Oregon. Extraordinarly important for both sides to be gracious. Also important for us to pay attention to requirements. PAPER TRAIL. OR system worked, worked well. Not the case in many places in our country. Last time we talked about this we spent weeks on 1 dog in the Midwest would not vote (WTF is he talking about.) I don't think hundreds of thousands of voters who don't think their vote count should get it swept under the rug.

Credible journalist reports: NC, INdiana, washington, and OHIO. Not of a volume that would have changed the outcome of the election (phooooo!) Critial work ahead of this body. He wrote to Conyers to ask him to address this?! whoa. I was author of section on provisional ballots. Ohio SOS decision to restrict prov. ballots not consistent with what Sentate had in mind when we wrote this provision.

I LIKE HIM, he's cool.

[Greybnk48]

175. Lautenberg going after Blackwell

About time his name came up.

[dalloway]

164. Senator Lautenberg

My senator

here we are tyring to show virtues of democracy to Iraqi and others around the world

people need to know our election are unassailble

we would be derelict in our duty if we did not investigate

[bunny planet]

169. Go Frankie, but mention Warren County please!!!!!!!!!!

[SharonRB]

165. Lautenberg --

not challenging, but brings up Ukraine, etc. We need change. Acknowledges problems and says we need to investigate.

[SharonRB]

173. Bringing up Blackwell's conflict of interest

Edit to add: Will introduce legislation to forbid this type of conflict! Yeah, Frank!

[Karenca]

166. my party is depressing me.

why do they keep saying that they are not challenging the outcome?

[WritersBlock]

185. See post 168

If they did anything different right now, they'd be flayed in the press, and any hope for election reform would be right there along with them.

By doing this, there's no way what they're saying can be argued with.

[WritersBlock]

167. "Derelict in our duty if we failed to investigate" - YES!

[Califooyah Operative]

168. Anyone else notice the good job of framing their doing?

Its not about overturning the election, it's about vote reform and protecting our constitutional right to vote, voter confidence, vote suppression.... their making me proud.

[dooner]

170. Sen. Lautenberg, NJ Dem - YES

Supporting Boxer.

Talking about our quest for voting rights in Iraq and Ukraine.

"Not challenging Bush's victory, nor has Kerry". But calling out voter disenfranchisement.

Blackwell deviated from election law by restricing voters from provisional ballots, complete unwillingness to cooperate with Conyers... deeply troubling.


FRANK IS HOT!

[berner59]

177. wow...Frank showing the Blackwell Letter!!!

good going!!!

[Karenca]

180. there he goes........very good Lautenberg!! ........

discussing Blackwell...You go!!!

[Malikshah]

184. WOW!! Lautenberg quotes Blackwell's letter

You go Lauti!!!!

THey are systematically building the case-- GREAT!!!!!!

[drummer55]

194. This is historic!

Sitting at work crying because I am so proud of these patriotic people!

[tjdee]

171. Frank mentions Blackwell being Bush's campaign chair!

Sorry, this doesn't sound like the same guy who threatened to arrest Andy.

He's my man, and he rocks.

[emulatorloo]

182. Big Ole Blowup of Blackwell's fundraising letter bragging about

delivering Ohio for Bush

[shadowknows69]

172. it's over folks

n/t

[emulatorloo]

188. It is ONLY BEGINNING n/t

[Karenca]

yeah, who are YOU!!!! ??????????

[Zenlitened]

198. You're right. The repukes have finally been exposed.

And the myth of a bush "mandate" has been entirely exploded.

[tx_dem41]

209. You have more faith on how this will play in the media than I do. n/t

[Verve]

212. self delete!

[mcscajun]

174. Yes! I'm happy now. My Senator stood with the challenge...

...and is speaking about the Federal Election Integrity Act he intends to introduce.

[Alizaryn]

176. He is reading Blackwell's letter!!!!!

[Pirate Smile]

178. Somebody is keeping a list of who is supporting Boxer, right?

[SharonRB]

199. Yes

I hope they're done by 3:00 or so -- I have to leave to go to the doctor. Will watch my tape of the House when I get home.

[shakerbaker]

179. Lautenberg reems Blackwell

and the conflict of interest as well as voter suppression in minority heavy democratic areas.

[Verve]

181. I Like Lautenberg D- NJ"we're trying to demonstrate Democracy to Iraq

and then starts talking about all the OHIO irregularities including talking about Blackwell.

[roenyc]

183. OH man i had to stop watching the congress it much better in

here. wow i feel better now.

[Verve]

189. Hilary's on!!!!!

[dalloway]

186. more lautenberg...

blackwell

rejected on paper weight

lack of cooperation deeply troubling

co-chaired * campaign

letting someone hold both positions is not acceptable

He will be introducing this month a Federal Election Integrity Act --to prohibit partisan people from holding positions overseeing election

HIGHLIGHTING BLACKWELLS LETTER BRAGGING ABOUT DELIVERING VICTORY TO BUSH WITH HUGE BLOW-UP POSTER OF LETTER!!

[Verve]

196. That was great! Loved the highlighted letter. Blackwell's going down!

[tjdee]

190. Hillary's up.

[SharonRB]

191. Here comes Hillary!

[tx_dem41]

192. Can the objection be withdrawn?

Because it sure looks like that is what is planned.

[bunny planet]

197. I don't think so. It just won't be voted in and the Ohio electors will be

accepted. So far we don't know if they have a majority in the Senate though. I have to go see what's happening in the House.

[crispini]

193. Lautenberg!

Lautenberg! D-NJ. I agree with Boxer. We're trying to spread Democracy around the world and we need Democracy here at home. I'm not challenging Shrub's victory, but there have been reports of systematic voter disenfranchisement. We'd be derelict in our duty if we failed to pay attention to this. Conyers report. Voting machines in minority D wards, waiting 10 hours. Precinct closed at 9:25 in the AM because its voting machines weren't working. Voter suppression: CAGING! Wooo! Ken Blackwell deviated from election laws by severely restricting provo ballots. Voter registration on 80 pound paper weight! Wooooo! Troubling because he wasn't just SOS but was cochair of BC campaign in OH. allowing him to do both is boooooooooooooooooogus. Ok 'blatant conflict of interest.'

FEDERAL ELECTION INTEGRITY ACT will prohibit this! YEAH! :loveya: Lautenberg!

Re: Blackwell running for governor letter! YEAH! I will introduce this act later. Boxer's object won't be sustained but that doesn't mean we shoudn't discuss it.

[bunny planet]

208. I told ya'll Frank is the man. He should apologize to Andy though.

[dooner]

200. Clinton - yes

Supporting Boxer.

Saying the right things about protecting democracy. "Many questions
about election process"

Talking about Ukraine, and our support of their voting rights. Also Iraq. People dying to vote.

"I worry that if Congress doesn't stand up for the right to vote here at home, our moral authority in the world will be weakened."

[keepthemhonest]

205. go clinton

oh my god she is perfect.
Hitting lots of good points.

She is taking the world view.

[Cobalt Violet]

201. Which Senators are going to vote against Certification so far?

[SharonRB]

206. Hard to tell --

but I would say not many. All know we need change, but doesn't look like many, if any, will vote not to certify.

[tx_dem41]

207. I don't think any of them will...

That appears to be the scripted result.

[don954]

203. hillary brings up Ukrain and Iraq voters...

and if we dotn stand up for the voters, our moral authority will be weak.

[dalloway]

204. Clinton....

Bringing up Ukraine

we stood behind people there that they should be given the right for every person to have the right to proud

Iragis dying to get the right to vote

I worry if this body doesn't stand up for the right to vote at home that we lose our moral authority

freedom our most precious value

GO hillary!!!

We are on a slippery slope as a nation

didn't get anywhere with legislation on paper trails

[roenyc]

210. does that mean she votes to not certify?

[Karenca]

213. SOUNDED LIKE THAT TO ME ... NT

[bunny planet]

216. She will not vote to certify the Republican electoral slate from Ohio.

They need a majority vote against them in both Houses of Congress to throw out the electors from Ohio.

[crispini]

211. Clinton.

Questions about fairness, integrity are not confined to the state of OH. Questions were raised with respect to this election. Can we assure the continuity of our democratic process. We admired people of Ukraine. In a few weeks we're going to see an election in Iraq. People dying in Iraq for a right to cast a vote. We stood with Ukraine, Iraq. I worry that if this body doesn't stand up on a bipartisan basis for the right to vote here at home our moral authority will be weakened. Freedom our most precious value. We have worked to form a more perfect union. At first not everyone permitted to vote in our own company. We expanded the franchise. Anniversary of Voting rights act. How will we move it into the 21st century. I'd be standing here saying this no matter what the outcome of the election. I worry whether it's a D or R admin or a local election, we are on a slippery slope. Talking about verifiable paper trail -- didn't even get a hearing in front of the rules committee.

India's election, 550 million people voted. They voted on electronic voting machines. They had uniform standards, nonpartisan board that oversaw the election, did it with integrity. surely we should be setting the standards.

[Chimpanzee]

215. Anyone notice her orange blouse?

[Verve]

217. I was hoping it was. On my screen it looked pink! n/t

[alexisfree]

218. not really

but love when she said "India has a democratic system"

[Karenca]

221. Reid.....???

i couldnt figure him out.

[alexisfree]

226. I know

kind of blank moment there...

[caligirl]

219. wrong thread but Rep Marcy Kaptur of Ohio is swinging now

in the House with a littany of detailed and serious problems, unlawful acts in the election.

[dooner]

220. Harry Reid, Nevada dem. - yes

"applaud Boxer for allowing us to discuss the issue"]


"more insidious forms of voter disenfranchisement continue"

- calls telling voters election was on a different day
- voter registration problems (destroyed dem. reg forms)
- security guards hired to scare off voters at polling places

Ohio: problems with integrity of electronic voting machines
NV: has electronic voting with paper trail, should happen everywhere.

I like Harry. He's very reasonable.

[bunny planet]

224. I'm just wild about Harry (sorry, someone had to say it, and my son's

name is Harry!)

[crispini]

222. Reid

Referring to Voting Rights act. Abuses in Florida 4 years ago. Insidious form of disenfranchisement continues. Phone calls to hispanic, black areas in NV telling the voters that election day was Nov. 3. Reg processes in NV tainted by destruction of voter registration form. Proven, it happened, investigation still underway. Earlier elections: people dressed in uniforms stood at polling places to intimidate minority voters. Hope there will be more done to determine what went on in Ohio.

HAVA was meant to cure disenfranchisement of voters. These problem damage our system. Requires strong laws, strong hearts to root us out. My hope that our debate will lead to curing these problems. Lack of measures to ensure integrity of electronic voting machines. Nevada was only state with total e-voting with paper trail. Printed paper, this is the way it should happen all over America.

Jr. Senator from Nevada introduced legislation to include paper trails everywhere, will continue to put this forward.

[Verve]

223. Oh! Reid is going to introduce an election bill in a few days.

Didn't Lautenberg say this as well?

[Karenca]

225. Harkin....believes the election

was fair. Ughkkk.

[Greybnk48]

229. No he doesn't

[kath]

227. Reid says he won't challenge, irregularities were not enough to change

the outcome, blah, blah, blah.
Fuck that shit.

[crispini]

228. EVERYONE SAYING THEY DON'T QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY. GRR. I do! n/t

[ncrainbowgrrl]

230. Locking- thread getting HUGE!

Continue the discussion at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x250523

[SharonRB]

231. Harkin

Waiting in line for X hours is like throwing acid in the face!