OFFICIAL HOUSE DEBATE THREAD #2

[Moloch]

Please continue discussion here.

[KDLarsen]

1. For those in the Cubes

.. "This is not a black-white issue, this is a red, white & blue issue"

[demo dutch]

2. Finally some common sense from MD Cummings!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

3. Cynthia McKinney D-GA

"unequal protection of the right to vote"

"computers that can be hacked"

"end the blackout and shine the light on our precious right to vote"





*apx quotes

[sarahlee]

4. Get ready for LTE tonight!

We are going to have to follow this up with a LOT of letters to the editors to make sure the message that this is about voting integrity and democracy, not about being sore losers.

Bush – pres secty on MSNBC talking about “conspiracy theories” in discussing the debate.

[katinmn]

16. Our elected officials are speaking and they are covering a PR flack

MSM is a joke. Don't even think of them as news anymore. Entertainment is all.

[soup]

5. Ruh-roh

Did this guy just say this undermines the war on terra? David Dreier - California

edit - asy=say

[derby378]

6. David Dreier's up - what a moran

"Dayton Daily News" is sometimes called something else? :wtf:

[cyberpj]

7. Dreier - R California -- No evidence whatsoever to suggest

that results are anything but legitimate.

[Cheswick2.0]

10. he is a freaking liar and CA should get rid of him

[derby378]

12. "Sowing the seeds of doubt"

Sounds like a Tears for Fears song.

[derby378]

8. "There is no evidence whatsoever" of voter fraud - Dreier

He lied through his teeth and winked at Karl Rove...

[mycatforpresident]

9. Dreier (R) CA

"Respectfull suggest what makes our system great is our ability to accept leg. results of election...no evidence to suggest election was anything but legitimate."

"I lost my first election in 1978...losing an election is disappointing...moving forward just as inportant...sowing seeds of doubt about a leg. decided election...threatens...democracy."

[dannynyc]

Dreir is a self loathing closet case

ugh . . .

It's amazing to watch this - the Repubs talk about how there are no real problems in Ohio - not supporting the President - not working together

The Democrats talk about the many questions that are posed - why Blackwell didn't respond to Conyers - why questions are unanswered.

I love the "Democrats are sewing seeds of doubt" . . .

I think this is all great. I doubt Rove, Blackwell and company every dreamed this would go this far.

Thanks to all the bloggers which pushed this issue!!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

11. David Dreier R-CA

"we are amongst a global war on terror"

"no evidence that claims are valid"

"it is true that no election is perfect"





*apx quotes

[CottonBear]

15. Then why the hell are we so concerned about Ukraine

and WA State? Bastards.

[Pepper32]

13. This objection is without merit? oh the spin..... eom

[derby378]

14. Jesse Jackson, Jr. - DAMN!!!

He just laid it out - no Federal right to vote. Whoa.

[rodeodance]

18. "citzenship right to vote" JJ Jr.

[CottonBear]

20. JOHN LEWIS ON NOW! n/t

[Pepper32]

17. Go Jesse Jackson JR!!!

[rodeodance]

21. John Lewis Dem Georgia---there is something wrong with our democracy

[rodeodance]

24. "diminishes" the House (this debate). Repug LA Jingal--he is an

immigarnt himself. Even CBS news has acknowledged that Bush won he says.

[rodeodance]

29. bringing up several editorial pages--"not a good day for the our country"

[Justitia]

59. What a moron he looked like. CBS? So now CBS determines our elections?

[Justitia]

55. He was GREAT! "People have DIED for the right to vote!" -eom

[HR_Pufnstuf]

19. Jesse Jackson Jr D-IL

"election system broken and needs to be fixed"

"why do we keep having problems?"

"different rules different states"

"american people are losing confidence"

"unitary system"



*apx quotes

[Justitia]

63. He made a fantastic argument. Concrete points, very well presented.

I think he laid out a helluva agenda on how to start correcting this.

Kudos Mr. Jackson, you make your constituents proud.

I sure hope somebody was taking notes.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

22. John Lewis D-GA

"right for every vote to be counted must be upheld"







*apx quote

[Califooyah Operative]

23. how can you ask us to stop, when people have died for the right to vote...

[FreeCajun]

25. Jindal - What a toad!

[elaineb]

35. Jindal said something like "this doesn't bring honor on those objecting"

...when I've never seen such lack of honor as I've seen among these shameful betrayers of democracy. I used to respect the opinions of honest Republicans even though I disagreed with them. I no longer have a shred of respect for Republicans who think this is a respectable way to uphold our democracy.

[scottxyz]

26. Lewis (D-GA) was HOT

I wish he coulda talked longer!

Then you got some asshole mushmouth Repub after him, Bobby Jindal, R-LA. He thinks the debate "diminishes" the house.

"Even CBS News" acknowledges Bush won?!?

Nice try, Bobby Jindal.

[CottonBear]

27. Jindal - ASS - LA

Ashamed that his first day is being ruined by Democratic challenge. "even CBS news says * won." Jerk.

edit: OMG! He just mentioned OH editorial pages. Is that all they read?

[Pepper32]

28. Bobby Jindal: This is the only place we are still disputing this election

Repuke from Louisana

[rodeodance]

31. Tiberi-Repug OHIO--"conspiracy theorists" some editorial but of

course he did not not say that-someone else said that. pukey guy

[rodeodance]

34. said "the horse is Dead"

[rodeodance]

37. now Woolsey Dem. Calif--voter intimination-it is a violation to our

democracy!
we are losing lives in Irag to democracy goals yet we can not get it right here at home! good for her.

[rodeodance]

40. "we can't get if right here in the USA" yet we lose lives in Iraq for demo

[uppityperson]

30. Do repubs understand what an "editorial" is? n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

38. one word.... NO

They are spouting opinion as fact. Why does no one just say that! make them back up those "facts"

[Smoochie]

47. OK Time for some Democrats to buy up some newspapers!

If all the Repugs have to do to win their point is read what the repug editorials have to say in the repug papers, we need to write some of our own editorials in our own papers ... if only truth and justice were that easy to come by!!

[aquart]

32. DemocratIC Party, you Ohio prick.

[Justitia]

83. They're proud of making themselves look STUPID

[EMunster]

33. Tiberi -- "Not one board member..."?

[EMunster]

36. Go Woolsey!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

39. Lynn Woolsey D-CA

"2nd election in a row"

"this time it must be different"

"time to investigate"

"about citizen's right"




*apx

[rodeodance]

42. Dem Owens-need national standards--voters suppressed etc

[me b zola]

41. Some one, please yell, "FRAUD"

someone should yell this to respond to the repukes pitiful remarks.

[rodeodance]

45. Sheila Jackson-Lee D. Tx-this is a sacred debate -not frivulous!! go

[Slit Skirt]

62. who is this asshole? mm side? kerry side?

aahh florida... i get it now

[Slit Skirt]

70. posted to wrong thread...belongs to main thread sorry

[jsascj]

43. Thank GOD for THESE Democrats...

And I mean that literally.

Maybe nothing will change this election result this year but thank God, Someone, someone is willing to put themselves on the line for what is right and good and just.

Sorry, just became overwhelmed with awe.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

44. Major Owens D-NY

"dirty tricks immediately made federal crimes"






*apx

[rodeodance]

50. I love this debate--sweet--gives a good pic of who is who

predicable but beautiful!!!!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

46. Sheila Jackson-Lee D-TX

"how would you like to be in ohio and be told the election was on nov 3rd?"

"one vote one person"






*apx

[Pepper32]

48. Jackson-Lee... whew!! she was on fire!

D-Texas

[Greybnk48]

51. Hey Kingston

Let's investigate it all you little prick! I'm with you.

[me b zola]

49. Oh Yeah, Rep Jackson Lee

What passion...quoting the Constitution.

[rodeodance]

52. if repugs want to talk of Dem problems -then lets have that investigation

Jack Kingston--Repug. R. Georgia what a jerk

[rodeodance]

56. what is this secret computer I have been hearing about and that is

making a laughing stock out of Democrats (convenient I know)

[CornField]

53. Kingston from Georgia is actually making our case

LOL! Keep throwing out those incidents of voter fraud across the country, buddy.

[imenja]

54. Kingston wants other states to be contested

Let's hope they give it to them. Can they still contest other states as the count proceeds?

[rodeodance]

60. not really, his blabber was just to make fun of Dems!!

[rodeodance]

61. making fun of Micheal Moore!--Rupug Ric Keller

[rodeodance]

65. the "Micheal Moore" wing!---Repug Fl--Keller--says we are not normal

[imenja]

72. especially since Moore has been quiet on the election

they are buffoons

Maxine Waters counters him. She can actually speak on her feet. That beats the Republicans.

[imenja]

oh, I know

but I say we give it to him

[uppityperson]

66. My dream is other states do also.

And they have to go back and talk again and again and again. Oh, now I'm on the "stupid Michael Moore side". Or is he talking about Americans being stupid meaning himself?????

[Mist]

57. Kingston of GA (a Rethug)

talking about "alleged Democratic dirty tricks". Democratic supporters supposedly preventing Rethugs from voting. Yeah, right. Sounds like he's making all this up.

[drummer55]

both parties

over the years are guilty of messing with votes.
Make it treasonous for anybody to do anything to interfere with the voting process

[HR_Pufnstuf]

58. Jack Kingston R-GA

"in frankin country, a dead person was registered to vote"

"numerous agents doing unidentified things"

"godzilla movies"




*apx

[Stephanie]

64. The Michael Moore wing of the Democrat party!

God this is sick. Barbara Boxer went to Michael Moore premiere. Conspiracy theorists blah blah blah

[Greybnk48]

74. Yea Maxine!!!!!!!!!!

Dedicated her objection to Michael Moore for enlightening America about the crooked elections in this country.

[rodeodance]

75. but now Water, Dem Calif--ashamed of Blackwell!! great

black ancestors died to right to vote.
she went with Conyers ot OHIO and listened to the voters. Listed many problems
Praised Micheal Moore for educating the people!!

[Pepper32]

67. Keller, says Michael Moore thinks the american people are stupid

Repuke from Florida

[NightOwwl]

80. Bush is in for another 4 years...

all but 2 senators vote nay in today's vote, so I guess Americans are pretty stupid.

[aquart]

68. Boxer was brainwashed by Michael Moore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael Moore is the enemy of the people!

LOL!!!

Gosh, he scared them silly.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

69. Ric Keller R-FL

"michael moore-wing"

"hollywood-inspired conspiracy theories"

"who thinks al-zarqawi is a paul revere?"




*apx

[soup]

77. and they have the nerve to call Us KOOKS??? Geesh. n/t

[me b zola]

71. Bastid Keller

Another freak trying to say that we are terrorists.

[NightOwwl]

73. Maxine Waters rocks!

Thanks Micheal Moore for bringing this to our attention!

[Califooyah Operative]

76. yep. right after a repug pig criticized moore and boxer......nt

[rodeodance]

81. stunning that tactics in 2004 still disenfranchize people!!!

[rodeodance]

78. OHIO failed to run a fair election!! making fun of Blackwell and the paper

tee hee, go Maxine go!!!!!

[rodeodance]

84. Waters---must have verivialble paper trail!! go Maxine!!

[tk2kewl]

79. Some Dem needs to challenge a Republican to a duel!

Well not exactly, but...

A Dem should get up and say something like the following:

I offer to yield the balance of my time to any one of my Republican colleagues who believes that this debate is frivolous.
Come up here and tell the American people that you believe it is acceptable to force minority Americans to wait for ten hours while their white neighbors breeze through the polls!

Come on up and tell the American people that it was just a prank that Latinos were encourage to vote on November 3rd when the election was on the second!

Come up here and tell the American people that you don't care whether or not there is a verifiable record of the votes they cast!

Any and all comers... Bring it on!

[Pepper32]

82. Maxine Waters: We continue to use horse and buggy systems

[rodeodance]

86. Repug --need a period of healing R-OHIO Boehner

[rodeodance]

89. this debate will cause 'great harm' to our country!! says election was

fair!!!!!

[rodeodance]

91. get this behind us--says Boehner!! well, we are trying little man!!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

85. Maxine Waters D-CA

"blackwell, i am afraid to say, an african-american male"

"i listen to citizen after citizen"

"10 hours waits"

"it is clear ohio has failed to run a fair election" (5 times)

"enormous problems that HAVA doesnt consider"

"if an ATM can give a verifiable receipt, why cant a voting machine?"



*apx

[me b zola]

97. Ms. Waters

"It is not about whether these problems are outcome determinative, ALTHOUGH THEY COULD BE..."

She was on fire. I've loved her for many years, but never so much as today.

[crispini]

87. Well, I'm just back from the Senate thread.

That was fun. We had 1 vote. I :loveya: Boxer. I'll give her a kidney if she ever needs it.

[katinmn]

90. wasn't there one more? n/t

[katinmn]

95. Boehrner: Richard Pryor's comedy sketch of a white man

[crispini]

221. Nope, only 1, the other was a glitch or something n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

100. You were a lovely hostess! thanx n/t

[aquart]

88. I HATE Republicans justifying themselves with KERRY.

[mcscajun]

94. I hate them being so frickin' snide, condescending,

and plain UNGracious in 'victory'.

Bastards.

[Verve]

92. Boner from Ohio is now on.

Excuse me it's BOEHNER! Freudian slip!

[rodeodance]

96. Oxley, Repug OHIO--rediculing people--this exercise is distracting-

of which he is truely sorry. weasel!!1

[HR_Pufnstuf]

93. John Boehner R-OH

"activity without merit"

"lets get this behind us - quickly!"



*apx

[rodeodance]

99. Kilpatrichk Dem Mich. supports the debate--rules of HOuse of Reps

allows this discussion --boy is she right-yet Repugs continue to say this is not the time!!1

[rodeodance]

101. We object to the "process" then listed problems

Men in suits-asking for identification all day long. Something was very wrong--Men in suits!!!

[rodeodance]

106. "men in suits" touching our counters--intimitaing them. WhOW

[mdb]

98. Rep Boehner

This objection will cause great harm to the election process. Well don't you think you should of that of that before the suppression and disenfranchisement of voters? The harm was to steal the election.

[sldavis]

113. UM vs. OSU

Are you freaking kidding me? Did he actually bring up the football game? Loser.

[katinmn]

102. "Men in suits intimidating my voters"

That's what it's all about!

[seriousstan]

103. every time they went to vote?

[Pepper32]

104. Kilpatrick:We the members on this side of the aisle object to the process

D-MI

"something was very wrong on November 2nd"

"every vote must count, every vote must be counted"

[HR_Pufnstuf]

105. Carolyn Kilpatrick D-MI

"right for the people to speak through us"

"sent here to represent"

"we object to the process"

"michigan had many problems"

"when it was over, men in suits were touching our vote-counters. ..felony."

"we've got to fix HAVA"


*apx

[rodeodance]

109. Schakowsky-not sufficent to tell ppl to 'get over it" Dem. Illinois

need National Electoral Reform!!!!

[rodeodance]

112. says can not simply call us 'sour grapes"!! this is our chance to

protect democracy!

[scottxyz]

107. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-Michigan) is a good speaker

"We object to the PROCESS that failed many Americans on November 2."

"Men in suits were touching our vote counters. That's a felony. You cannot touch our vote counters. You cannot touch our voters." (Referring to voter intimation in MI.)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

115. also...

You picked OH but it could have been MI, I stand w/ you approx

[crispini]

108. Bohner and Oxley.

Bohner jerk from Ohio. YAWN. If we wanna have a debate about elections are run, we have to have the debate in each of our 50 state legislatures. (Okey dokey, we've got OUR house bill cookin in the state lege right now, yeah!)

Oxley in Ohio: Amazed at how many experts on Ohio election law we have in this chamber. (Is he being a smartass?) Time for reflection, healing, this exercise is a "distraction." Eff you, Oxley.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

110. Jan Schakowsky D-IL

"what are we gonna do about it?"

"our patriotic duty"

"allowed machines to be tampered with"



*apx

[Karenca]

111. the house is doing better than the senate did so far.....nt

[rodeodance]

117. the house is doing great

[rodeodance]

121. Repug. Portman OHIO--Warren couny--hears election was not fair.

says a Dem inside and all was ok!!

[rodeodance]

123. this is the time to govern-not to object (wants the will of people carried

out)--yes, he wants to govern--governing is telling people to what to do and this is the people talking back-guess he does not like that!

[rodeodance]

125. "delegitmize the president of the US--says that what this is about!!

[crispini]

114. Kirlpatrick.

Carolyn Kilpatrick from Michigan. Tens of thousand of people were unable to cast their votes. Rise to support S T J. This is the voters' right to speak through us. Rules of the House. This is the only way that we represent those people, express the dismay they felt on Nov. 2. This has nothing to do with overturning the election. We the members on this side of the aisle object to the process. Long lines, cold, rain. Michigan had many problems. In the area where they count the votes, all day long we had reports of intimidation, of men in suits intimidating my voters, asking for their IDs. something was very wrong on Nov. 2. When the polls closed men in suits were touching my vote counters, touching their ballots, went on 11 o'clock news and said that's a felony. it could have been michigan but you chose ohio and i'm here to stand with you today. Yields time to IL.

[scottxyz]

116. Jan Schankowsky (D-IL)

She mentioned "voter-verified paper trail".

[crispini]

118. Jan Schakowsky

Nothing more important than our right to vote. That's why I stand with them. It is our patriotic duty to stand up for every voter. National demand for electoral reform. finish job begun under HAVA. paper trail. can't sit back and accept this result as if nothing happened.This is our chance to demonstrate that we are committed to everyone.

[me b zola]

119. Schacowski (sp)

"Possible illegal activites in Ohio." Say it loud & proud

Someone please say FRAUD!

[katinmn]

120. Portman: "irresponsible conspiracy theories"

[Pepper32]

122. Rob Portman: "It's time to get our work done"

Repuke from Ohio

[HR_Pufnstuf]

124. Rob Portman R-OH

"no election is ever perfect"

"we agree that this is about every vote being counted"

"media was locked out in warren county"

"in ohio, we have a pretty good system"

"i am told the vote was 74-1 in senate"




*apx

[rodeodance]

126. Repug OHIO Chabot--says forced to engage in partisan debate now!1

[rodeodance]

129. Davis-Dem ILL--our elections are shaking the foundation of our demo

cracy!! Misconduct etc. wants voter rights protection act!

[rodeodance]

131. "brazen irregularities" DC Washington Norton--she is good

says OHIO was one of many states that has problems.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

127. Steve Chabot R-OH

"few mainstream politicians doubt bush's victory"



*apx

[crispini]

128. Bob Portman, R-OHIO.

Says there's no basic to question the election. Disagrees with there is widespread voter irregularites, used words "conspiracy theories," :puke: Talking about Warren county BOE lockdown. Says that Jeff Ruppert, lawyer for KE campaign, was inside and didn't see anything, also Democrats were inside. Says that board system in Ohio is bipartisan. This is not the time to object. This is the views of Ohioans that have been clearly expressed.

And now with the newspapers again. What's with the Republicans and all the newspapers. Migod, they're ALL SO ON MESSAGE with the newspapers. Jeez, they must have gotten together and planned this.

We need to move on, I hope we'll come together to vote down this objection. Calls it a cynical political ploy. Yields time to Chabot, who says this is an attempt to sow doubt on the legitimacy of the election, blah blah blah. (I'm getting bored with these rethugs, can you tell? The Senate was much more fun.)

[me b zola]

130. Danny Davis says the FRAUD word!

BEAUTIFUL!

[rodeodance]

134. "confused party election officials" DC Washton Representative te he

[Viva_La_Revolution]

132. Oh! Passionate discussions!! this is good. nt

[Mist]

133. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton:

"Ohio is the poster child for nationwide problems with our voting system."

[rodeodance]

136. Boxer only Sen voted to challenge in Senate (banner on this tube)

[rodeodance]

137. Scott, Dem Virginia---wants reform now!!

[rodeodance]

138. in support of the chanllenge --Dem. Wolfe (I think)

[Pepper32]

135. Holmes Norton: Let's fix our system this year

D-District of Columbia

[Karenca]

139. Tubbs-Jones just slammed Blackwell......nt

[rodeodance]

140. she is on a roll---send her flowers!!!!

[rodeodance]

hope all noticed it was two women to stood up for the challenge:-)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

141. Conyers speaks! nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

142. self delete.... twitchy fingers from JOY LOL

[rodeodance]

145. first time since 1877--need nationwide reform. He seems tired.

[rodeodance]

148. implied that we did not have an election that we can be proud of.

[Pepper32]

143. Tubbs Jones D-Ohio

What happened in Ohio, may well have been repeated across this country!

[Karenca]

144. Conyers...this debate will not change the outcome........nt

[HR_Pufnstuf]

146. John Conyers D-MI

"this debate will probably not change the outcome"

"better system of voting for everywhere not just ohio"

"first time since 1877 this law has been used"

"join us in real election reform"

"give all voters a verifiable paper trail"



*apx

[mycatforpresident]

147. Why is Rob Portman (R) OH saying

that the votes were all counted when they WEREN'T?

[rodeodance]

153. DeLay--this debate is just "noice" it is a shame a shame he says

god he makes me sick

[rodeodance]

156. it is an assault to our institutions--no one served by this petition!!

[rodeodance]

159. Delay says Dems are engaging in Stagecraft--not good stagecraft either

[crispini]

149. John Conyers is my hero!

[Pacifist Patriot]

150. Will someone please just haul Delay off in handcuffs already?

[bufftiger]

151. Yah! DeLay!

[katinmn]

154. Top Moran.

[vanboggie]

168. This needs to be curbed?

Petition is beneath us. You bastard. Are you the one who got the murder charges against Andrea reversed today to grab media attention.
I want to see this bastard in cuffs.

[vanboggie]

152. Delay the Crook

Following a most Honorable American John Conyers. What a contrast.

[vanboggie]

155. I'm gonna puke n/t

[Pepper32]

169. Me too.. I hate they are using the fact Kerry conceded to defend their...

...fraudulent actions!

[uppityperson]

157. bush is a closet computer nerd? I missed that. n/t

[Pepper32]

158. Tom Delay actually brought up vote stealing software eom

[rodeodance]

161. he says that Dems say Bush personally oversay the election-what the

heck is he talking about?

[Verve]

160. De lay's warning the Dems. "They've turned to the x file ring.....

conspiracy theorists.....blah blah blah....it is a threat to the ideals ....

I'm having a hard time concentrating ...he said something about "not very fashionable". Was he talking about his hair?

[rodeodance]

163. Delay says not only hurting themselves but the House

[rodeodance]

167. he is freaking me out!!

[PeacePal]

162. First time Delay is right??? Exile as defined by Webster is...

1 a : the state or a period of forced absence from one's country or home

We were FORCED from the polls, right?

[uppityperson]

164. "We're not here to debate facts" WTF????

[crispini]

165. Oh, it's the bugman.

What an asshole. (Richard Morrison in 2006!) DeLay is saying that the purpose of this is "noise," telling D's not to moderate their party's message. (well, DUR, we don't want to moderate it.) This is our chance to show what they have learned but instead they have turned to the XFiles wing of the Democratic party. Conspiracy theories again. (What BULLSHIT.) Talking about the President oversaw the development of vote stealing software. (WHAT AN ASS, NOBODY HAS SAID THAT.) Calling this "assault on institutions." :puke:

"the Democrat party" -- he can't even get that right. :puke:

One is hard pressed to find positive substantive ideas coming from the left. Ds have replaced statecraft with stagecraft, substance with style (pot, meet kettle.) No such voter disenfranchisement occurred in this election or in fact in 2000. :wtf:

OH, FUCK YOU, BUGMAN. Now he's talking about pre-election memos that are supposed to get us to charge voter fraud. :yawn:

(Would he knock it off with "the Democrat" leadership thing?)

WE WERE DENIED OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, YOU ASS. What a whiny crybaby. :cry:

[HR_Pufnstuf]

Tom Delay R-TX

"is a shame, a shame"

"charges are gravely, gravely serious"

"its noise"

"turned to the x-files wing to make their case"

"conspiracy theories"

"partisan waste of time"

"no voter disenfranchisement took place in this election, nor 2000"

"this is a direct attack to undermine our democracy by using a procedure"

"dangerous precedent being set"

"irresponsible tactics"

"this petition is beneath us"



*apx

[Mist]

166. Cripes--Delay on now

Thinks Democratic Party needs to "moderate it's message." WTF does this have to do with voting problems? Distorts Dem. claims--says Dem. Party is accusing Prez of being a computer genius. I'm sure NO ONE ever said anything of the sort about *, but Delay is busily distorting the issue. What a fuckwad. He's going on about how the Democratic Party was great at one time, but has lost it's way. Again, WTF does this have to do with voter problems? Hope someone calls him on this pure octane bullshit. Delay says "this debate is undermining democracy." guess that'll be a talking point for Rethugs. "A dangerous precedent is being set here today." Hopefully, dangerous for fraudulent Rethugs! Christ, this guy is a buttwad!

[rodeodance]

Delay instills fear in people-just like the WH!! he was worse than

usual today. Really laid it on to make Dems look foolish!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

174. Who was applauding DeLay

and why didn't they get threatened with being thrown out like the people who made remarks from the Senate gallery?

[theboss]

170. Shouldn't this be over by now?

I'm sorry, but I find it painful to listen to 95 percent of the House.

[SeattleRob]

171. Delay is a sleazebag! n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

204. Delay: "What if, God forbid, an election...really DOES get stolen?!" HA.

The King of Orwellification has spoken, wow, what a...TALENTED ASSHOLE.

Delay actually scorned the Dems for crying wolf and endangering 'democracy' with a false alarm!

This is high theater. THE ART OF PUBLIC LYING. HOW TO USE THE EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU BACK AGAINST YOUR ACCUSERS.

That is what the fascists running Congress learn to generate-a force field against indictment called pre-emptive lying, staying ahead of the forces of law and order, weak as they are.

[aquart]

172. Brass Balls DeLay.

The bloody fucking nerve of that bastard.

He lectured the Democratic Party on its mission.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

181. And what's really sad is that

some alleged Democrats will agree with him!

[bunny planet]

213. Tom Delay is the most disgraceful, lying, malignant, reprehensible,

criminal excuse for a person as I have ever seen behind a microphone, let alone acting as a representative of the people. That a single person votes for this man and swallows his lies and affronts to our democracy is beyond belief to me. He is not the bugman, he is the bug. Absolutely disgraceful speech. I cannot wait for that man to be indicted, tried, and convicted of his crimes. Can't get an orange jumpsuit on that scum fast enough for me.

[crispini]

173. Hey, anyone, did my rep EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON stand up?

I missed the first half. Because if she didn't I'm gonna be pissed at her.

[rodeodance]

House is Voting now cpan calls in now during vote

[crispini]

175. Call in! Everyone who can, call in to C-SPAN now!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

176. Time Remaining - 13:32

Rep Yea 1 Nay 53

Dem Yea 11 Nay 11

[Karenca]

177. one republican voted yea...i

wonder who this is?

[bones_7672]

182. Could be an error that could be corrected B4 the time expires. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

178. They're voting 13:00 min left nt

[sepia_steel]

179. Which Republican just voted YEA???

Will it stay there?

[BR_Parkway]

237. must be a "glitch" n/t

[Pepper32]

180. Delay: "This petition is beneath us"

bastard...

they actually applauded him

[crispini]

183. I can't read the screens, ya'll keep us posted.

A R voted YES?!!!!

[rodeodance]

189. 15 Dems say "yea" so far (1 said it in Senate-Boxer)==she will go down

in history!!!

[rodeodance]

193. 16 yeahs (3/3 callers are glad for this debate so far)

[Karenca]

184. Dems are mostly voting yea.....nt

[crispini]

188. THE HOUSE DEMS ARE VOTING YEA!?

[HR_Pufnstuf]

185. Time Remaining - 12:00

Rep Yea 1 Nay 63

Dem Yea 14 Nay 11


Yea 15 Nay 74

[Viva_La_Revolution]

186. !st caller says..... Diabold !!!! n/t

[Califooyah Operative]

187. looks like we may have a republican voting nay with us.....

not final though, and 12 dems so far...

on edit: no reps, 20 dems so far

[crispini]

190. Christ, Caller saying that SOS Blackwell is on board of JINSA?

And PNAC? Who's that, it's gotta be someone from HERE?

[bones_7672]

191. The one Repub vote is gone, and how about that guy talking against Israel.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

192. Time Remaining - 10:00

Rep Yea 0 Nay 71

Dem Yea 16 Nay 17


Yea 16 Nay 88

[rodeodance]

194. some caller thought DeLay summed it well at the end!! yuke!

[rodeodance]

196. 19 Dem Yea! (calling saying JFK should be ashamed of himself for

not speaking up)

[rodeodance]

198. caller saying DEMs always attaching the Rupublican whiny man!!

[rodeodance]

200. caller says we are being snowed over!! no newspaper are covering

the story!

YUP thanked cpan for coverage!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

195. Time Remaining - 8:00

Rep Yea 0 Nay 87

Dem Yea 19 Nay 21


Yea 19 Nay 108 NV 302

[Pepper32]

197. Caller: You can tell the republicans have something to hide

[Pepper32]

215. Caller (Voluntary Judge): I hope this is the last thing that happens

Caller located in in central Ohio, used to be a small country type community. Got over 70% of the people registered.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

199. Time Remaining - 6:00

Rep Yea 0 Nay 96

Dem Yea 20 Nay 25


Yea 20 Nay 121 NV 288

[rodeodance]

201. Dems 22 yea (now stupid caller saying move on) is that all they know

how to say!!!!!

[rodeodance]

203. repug says can't see how problems can happen-when 2 dems and 2

Repugs on each board. What a nieve sob!!!1

[HR_Pufnstuf]

202. Time Remaining - 4:00

Rep Yea 0 Nay 117

Dem Yea 22 Nay 32


Yea 22 Nay 149 NV 258

[rodeodance]

205. repugs sure are whinning a lot when they call in!!

[rodeodance]

208. Dems 25 yea's

[crispini]

206. Oh, this caller is so full of shit. I WAS A PRECINCT JUDGE TOO.

Although not in Ohio. Did he say he was in Ohio? He's so completely not paying any attention to what we have to say, he's just relating one person's experience. what a whiny crybaby.

[seriousstan]

209. and what did you see?

[crispini]

216. Well, I wasn't in Ohio.

But everything was fine, mostly, except for the bitchy rethugs I had to sit there with. That's not the point, the point is that ONE PERSON'S EXPERIENCE at one precinct doesn't have anything to do with other precincts.

C-SPAN lady just said that. Thank you, C-SPAN lady.

[bones_7672]

222. I was a poll inspector in Ohio, I had a blast. What a day! n/t

[seriousstan]

230. I was a presiding precinct judge in Columbus, Ohio.

We actually had people voting until 1 AM Wed. morning. So it was true, Dems voted on the 3rd.

[katinmn]

211. his voice was shaking like he was gonna cry

:cry:

crybaby

[crispini]

217. Big fat whiner. n/t

[HR_Pufnstuf]

207. Time Remaining - 2:00

Rep Yea 0 Nay 134

Dem Yea 24 Nay 47

Ind Yea 0 Nay 1


Yea 24 Nay 183 NV 222

[rodeodance]

212. cpan is just letting him rag on and on! whine on and on!

[E_Smith]

210. why did no Ohio election board supervisors object?

several republicans made the point that not one Democratic election board supervisors objected to the votes in their counties. why not?

[rodeodance]

214. I heard that also. I do not know why 29 yea's DEM

[rodeodance]

218. someone whinning about the 'boxer rebellion" 31 Dem Yea's

[mprest]

220. A Republican voted Yea?

With no time remaining, it looks like one of the Republicans voted Yea.

[mprest]

223. Never mind, it disappeared

[mprest]

226. But 87 Democrats AWOL on vacation?

[mprest]

231. The repugnants calling in sound scripted.

[rodeodance]

224. someone tired of all this OHIO stuff-Communisist socialist gov Doyal

has vetoed some election reform. boy was she an item!!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

219. Time Remaining - 0:00

Rep Yea 1 Nay 171 NV 57

Dem Yea 31 Nay 73 NV 91

Ind Yea 0 Nay 1


Yea 32 Nay 249 NV 146

[crispini]

225. Wow, we had 31 dems vote YEA? Woo hoo!

Are we gonna find out who voted for and against? when and how?

[rodeodance]

229. still lots of no votes. this is the second rigged election--coordinator

for Kerry Edwards election. said he said c-span lots of evidence!! (guess c-span did noting with it). We have a one party system now.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

227. Time Remaining - 0:00

Rep Yea 0 Nay 177 NV 53

Dem Yea 32 Nay 87 NV 80

Ind Yea 0 Nay 1


Yea 32 Nay 265 NV 133


a "1" in Rep column appeared at least twice during the count, but then disappeared.

[bones_7672]

228. Less than ONE THIRD of Dems vote for the contest. n/t

[rodeodance]

232. glass is 1/3 full?

[rodeodance]

234. caller says Dems need to wake up-talking of FL and OHIO-media should

cover more aspects of the election!!!!!!!

[crispini]

233. Yay, a Republican caller disappointed in the Republicans! Go him!

[rodeodance]

235. Lots of real mean spirted things said to day from the Republicans--healing

may take a long time.

[crispini]

236. Ooo, another Republican caller that sounds RATIONAL!

Calling for everyone to vote on the same machine, with a paper trail, so I don't have to argue with this. I want a legitimate election, my Democratic family wants a legit election. Wooooo! Go her!

[Mist]

238. After 15 minutes of busy signals on C-SPAN lines I gave up.

Yeas up to 33 now. Conyers on now--"The silence on this issue has been breached......This is going into the Congressional record." Conyers says Michael Moore has been demonized for telling the truth. Conyers says the Rethuglican objections were "insulting."


Throughout hearings, occasionally Rethugs said voter intimidation and voter fraud were perpetrated by Dems. Yeah, right, if they REALLY thought that, they'd have been screaming to high heaven!