"Boxer Rebellion"

[imenja]

CSPAN Republican just coined the term "Boxer Rebellion." Obviously I disagree with his statement, but I love the term. Let's keep it!

[Synnical]

1. Citizens Stage 'Boxer Rebellion' in San Francisco

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_16762.shtml

By: Wellstone Democractic Renewal Club
Published: Jan 3, 2005

[imenja]

2. great! I love nice phrases

I always appreciate clever use of language. Thanks for the link.

[SittingBull]

3. Comments on Repukes silly statements

sorry, I can't open a own file yet.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/06/national1519EST0642.DTL




Comments to silly republican statements

>From Dirk Gerhardt, aka Sitting-Bull, Hamburg, Germany




"There's a wise saying we've used in Florida the past four years that the other side would be wise to learn: Get over it," said Rep. Ric Keller, R-Fla.

Why to get over it? I have a single question. Isn’t it truth, that the
Florida Vote 2000 goes to Gore with a real recount? I think everyone can say: Bush has stolen the election, with the permission of the justice, this theft goes through only of the argument, a furthermore discussion of the president-question would cause damage to democracy. But a stolen election cause this damage, too, maybe even worser.



Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., said the Democratic complaints were outrage based on fantasy conspiracies."


I know you like the word conspiracies, or conspiracy nuts, or other words, to discredit all the people who have questions because of all the rotten things that occur in the world. But everony knows, that conspiracies did happen. For a long time. But it’s only a conspiracy theorie, if you couldn’t proof the theorie. So, if there iy any serious doubt, you have to investigate, and later you can say, Uhoh, it was only a silly conspiracy-theorie. But sometimes there are proofs, and when this happens, we wonder, how could this happen, or even say: We known it, but no one has taken it serious. I remember Watergate, the BCCI-Scandal, the Cointelpro-Mission, the Iran-Contra-Affair, and so on.
This time you should take it serious. Because this time you’re wrong. Rep. John Conyers did a over- 100-pages report with sworn affidavids, with research all of the voting irregulaties, inclusive the
exit-polls-discrepancies. This leads to conspiracy, sure. How should you call this otherwise? It looks like what it is. If there is only one single question about the vote, you should investigate this, and take it serious, and shoudn’t discredit the questioner.



House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, called the effort "a shame" and its goal "not Justice but noise."


I can tell you what’s a shame. E.g. when you’ll bring war to world in the name of freedom and democracy, while in your own country a mafia-like government exist which has no problems to ignore and rebuild constitution rights.
The goal is noise? Yes, and for one who lives in the post-second-world-war Germany I can say you: This is your basically democratic right, ironically you’re country told us the rights.
When everyone will be quiet, a dictatur is sooner installed then you can look.



At the White House, spokesman Scott McClellan said it was time to move forward and "not engage in conspiracy theories or partisan politics of this nature."


And again, every single thing that looks like fraud have to be investigated. It’s only conspiracy, when you can prove that the theories are false. But if you ignore the theories and want to get over it without investigation, you’ll make you untrustworthy. Again, who has nothing to hide can await a investigation totally relaxed.
And the argument, that even the Democrats often use, known as: We don’t expect a different outcome, but there were maybe some fraud, but we don’t investigate, because the difference between Bush and Kerry is too big, is the unlogicalliest argument I’ve ever heard.
How can it be, that a investigation of fraud did not occur, because the tally for Bush was too big? It’s silly. That can only works in brainwashed Fox-News-Viewer.

[Helga Scow Stern]

4. Thank you, SittingBull from Germany. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[SittingBull]

7. Thx for that warm welcome

I first heard about DU in Nov, and because of my worse english I've been only a still reader till now.

But indeed, I've had a 5 years Online experience on various forums here in Germany.

The Boxer Rebellion- sounds, like it was only a single person which is behind this objection. That's Orwell-Newspeak. Not a single moment the work of Conyers was mentioned.
And- I suppose there was a war in China in the last century, known as Boxer Rebellion. But in how far that's similar I coudn't remind.

[Helga Scow Stern]

5. Thank you for responding to those "silly republican statements".

It's good to have someone from another part of the world seeing what is going on and telling the truth about it. It gets a little disheartening for us here sometimes because we hear these put downs like this.

Like bullies who say the stupidest things. And they shout.

We fight back, but get a little tired. So thanks for the help and encouragement!

[SittingBull]

8. Chinas Boxer-Rebellion

http://www.smplanet.com/imperialism/fists.html

[snot]

6. William Pitt used it first

From http://truthout.org/fyi:

The Boxer Rebellion
Thursday 06 January 2005 @ 11:06
A wee bit of history to start with.

The last time Congress was forced to interrupt the joint session to certify the Electors was in 1969, when a "faithless" Nixon elector broke ranks and threw his vote to George Wallace. After about twelve seconds of discussion, the vote was allowed to go for Wallace. Before that, we have to go all the way back to 1877, during the disputed election between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden. Hayes eventually won.

In short, what is happening here in Washington today has almost never been seen in the history of the republic.

* * *
This is an incredibly important day for this country, for two reasons.

First, this will initiate a national dialogue on how we run elections, and push forward the process of reform that is so desperately needed.

Second, this was a people's movement. None of this would have taken place without the grassroots effort. Look at the stars in the sky or the grains of sand on the beach. That is how many phone calls, emails, faxes, letters and telegrams were sent by ordinary people to the Capitol building in support of what Boxer has done. Jesse Jackson, David Cobb, Progressive Democrats of America and others were involved in getting this done, along with Rep. Conyers.

But it was the folks who got this done. If nothing else, this proves that concentrated activism and advocacy works. It works. It worked. Make sure it keeps working.

[Cervello]

9. There Was Really a Boxer Rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion