The joint session is over, the votes are counted, and the GOP is NOT HAPPY

[FreepFryer]

This is more than we could have hoped for. Public Political Theatre. The conclusion was a massive anti-climax.

Brilliant work, all. Brilliant! Now, let's see... what GOP crimes should we uncover today?

There are so many, it's hard to know where to begin.

Long live the United States of America.

[Wabbajack]

1. They are happy

Their guy "won".

[FreepFryer]

2. This changes their entire re-election experience and strategy.

We knew he would be selected again.

We've swapped the momentum, and we will continue!

Rock on!

[catgirl]

4. It's true

We ruined their day. Now lets go for Blackwell and expose
the problems in Ohio. DeLay needs a kick in the ass too (with
very pointy cowboy boots).

[RevCheesehead]

8. I'd rather use the spurs.

[txindy]

32. Don't forget the crop

Okay, I'm mixing Western and English riding equipment. So, sue me. :P
I still like the image they invoke.

[FreepFryer]

10. Exactly. Now we prosecute those who committed the fraud.

The research we all did, just following the election, uncovered more evidence and testimony than we ever could have uncovered, had we waited.

We have the momentum. We will press on and we will win.

[Wabbajack]

27. "This changes their entire re-election experience and strategy"

How so?

Their strategy of stealing the election worked.

[bearfan454]

3. Yes but at least we have it on the record that there was vote fraud.

[Salomonity]

12. no, you don't.

You have it on record that 33 Dem congressmembers voted to throw out a statewide election, even though they admitted that there was no way that Kerry carried Ohio.

They're gonna get payback, folks. Our party is now slinging mud in a way even they've never stooped to--trying a congressional coup to pick the president. We have yet to pay the price for this.

[Misunderestimator]

20. "Slinging mud in a way even they've never stooped to?"

The wording of that is a bit odd. Seems to be it's about time that we started slinging mud (i.e. truth) at them. And this was NOT about a congressional coup to pick the president. It's about highlighting the problems we have with our elections.

[txindy]

35. They have not yet begun to fight the neocons and their lackeys

Or sling, depending on your perspective. This is just beginning. And it's going to get much, much better.

The investigations continue and we now have all the liars and thieves on video denouncing attempts to just look at all the votes. When the fraud is exposed - and it will be - those video clips will get repeated play in every election in which each of those criminals is a candidate. They'll all go down in history for what they are - cowardly thieves. The world already sees them for what they are and so do millions of us here.

[HeeBGBz]

42. Made them snap out of that righty fervor Man Date bullshit.

Even if only for a moment. Because they speak and believe lies, it confuses them when the rest of us don't fall for it.

[HeeBGBz]

40. Speaking out and being heard is not slinging mud

Twisted thinking. Silence is not golden.

One step to get this information on record. Thanks to the patriotic few who stood up.

[fasttense]

46. What are you so afraid of?

Ignoring a bully will not make him go away. We stood up to the fight yesterday and the Repugs looked like a bunch of fascists arguing AGAINST a fair and free election.

[cry baby]

9. No they're not happy, the Dems didn't follow in lockstep...

We also didn't say that Kerry won. They would have loved that! We brought up only voter issues which they really can't argue with. They had to say in their remarks things that the Dems didn't say, like "Kerry won" and that we are X Files followers, etc.

[renaissanceguy]

56. But at the same time,

The Dems backed down and voted NEY to protect their careers.

I think, though, that in the long run, we're doing a good job by putting the argument in OUR terms. We must keep painting the rethugs as the fascists they are.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.16200506

[mordarlar]

5. Tubbs Jones looks VERY CHIPPER : D I am so glad.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

6. How about making some noise about Mr. Novak?

I would soooo love to seem him making license plates for a living instead of spouting that gobbledygook on the msm.

[FreepFryer]

11. A prime target for a media boycott/fax/email campaign.

We'll have to revisit that later on tonight for planning ! :)

[wiggs]

14. Isn't it enough....

Isn't it enough that the WH said they would get to the bottom of the Plame business? Many people have talked about Plame, and an investigation was even started.

It is in the public record and the media reported it.

By today's measure, that is beyond victory...that is crushing your opponent into oblivion!


(Sorry, I'm not done being bitter yet. Maybe later....)

[mattclearing]

7. I agree. Time to fight for another day, but this one is in the D column.

The political headline of the day should have been "Bush Victory Rubber-Stamped," but we managed to serve up a nice surprise.

[cry baby]

13. I totally agree!

:toast:

[Carolab]

15. What about the lawsuit(s) in Ohio?

They are not "over".

[Im with Rosey]

21. OHIO

Ohio is where the spotlight needs to be continuously directed until we can pin Black*ell to the wall. From there we move onto Florida. We have momentum here, we can't waste it!

[TruthIsAll]

16. No, they are very happy. They got away with another one.

There may never have to get away with another after this.
This one was for all the marbles.

They are just where they want to be.

[leftchick]

17. Thank you TIA for being the Best Patriot!

peace,
lc

[catgirl]

18. Oh no they aren't

the legit. of the election will always loom. And Jebby certaintly
can't win without cheating. There are lawsuits and judicial nominees
to expose. This is far from over.

Did you see Cheney on the brink of blowing his top? Do you think
Bush is stinkin drunk right now?

[cry baby]

22. That's right, we are on to them and they know it. They aren't happy

[Karenca]

26. cat, I pray you are right.

I'm feeling the same as TIA right now.

[FreepFryer]

19. Weren't they in the same place yesterday? We knew how the vote would go.

We weren't going to win this game with a Hail Mary.

Was it always hopeless, in your eyes?

[TruthIsAll]

55. I was always an optimist. Until now. Truth no longer matters.

All the Dems had to do was vote YES.
Support not only Boxer, but their constituency.
Why did they vote NO?

What are they in fear of?
They are all rich.
Their votes come from Dems like us.
What did they have to lose?

We needed solidarity.
Instead we got lip service.

This was the biggest vote of their lives.
And they voted NO.

They sure know how to fire up their base, don't they?

This was not the FIRST time.
It is MUCH worse this time.

What's the point of another Michael Moore movie?
They were not shamed by F9/11.
Why would F9/11 Part II make a difference?

With all this evidence of fraud, nothing was done.
It sure doesn't give one any hope.

In fact, it makes me believe the worst is yet to come.

[Occulus]

25. We brought attention to an underlying issue

and for all of Delay's pap (early during which I heard murmurs of- what was it, surprise? disgust?- coming from within the chamber), the issue remains: tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people across the country either did not get to vote or had their vote originally miscounted, it may have been intentional (and a true bipartisan investigation would prove this either way), and the system at its foundations may be fatally flawed.

There were republicans up there arguing that no election is ever perfect. That is a stunningly arrogant claim to make. A perfect election consists of an election in which every voter's intent is clear and is verifiably recorded. That's it- nothing more. To claim we cannot achieve this goal, when we can put men on the moon and spacecraft on Mars that last more than four times their anticipated mission lifespan, is to claim that we merely do not wish to try.

With today's action, the objecting Democrats pointed out in stark relief that there are problems, some of them serious, and that officials may have been involved. It certainly does look that way- I only wish they had presented more evidence from Conyers' report during their objections. It did seem to me that a few of the objecting parties were not completely prepared to deliver the scathing critique they so easily could have.

Nonetheless, the main issue is now in the public consciousness: election reform. Voter-verified paper records. Open source election code.

Those are the goals we now have in front of us. We know they cheated; we know absent a serious and complete investigation, we will never prove it. We might not ever get that investigation- but surely we can prevent such a theft from happening ever again.

[tsuki]

30. No. First I don't think a Republican can be happy. Too much hate.

Too much greed. And for the Papa Party to be questioned??? How dare they. No they are not happy.

[bleever]

23. They didn't look happy, or sound happy.

More like Grumpy and Dopey!

(No offense to Dopey, or Grumpy.)

[eleny]

24. Their silver is tarnished and their iron has some rust

Mandate my ass. Hah!

[crispini]

28. Amen. The grassroots is waking up.

If we could get this done, what else could we do?

[iconoclastNYC]

29. I hope we keep up the fighting spirit

This is the first time I've got involved with some sort of campaign that actually had a result, i called senators and got other people to call and it was a success....we stood up for ourselves.

Its like Michael Moore said, we Dems need to stop being battered wives of the GOP. We have to end the abuse. Yesterday was a first step.

We should work on Voter reform in all the swing states and at the federal level.

We should make sure that all Bush's capital is spent on a failed Social Security reform plan.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

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[anamandujano]

41. You haven't been doing your homework.

You can find a lot of interesting stuff to read here and do follow some of the links.

For openers, all the so called "glitches", "problems", "irregularities", etc. FAVORED BUSH. Now, we all know that is impossible. If it were random goof ups, approx 50% give or take whatever, would have favored Kerry.

Educate yourself.

[Fly by night]

45. Since you've just popped out of the womb on DU

Save your uninformed attitude for your friends in other places. Those of us who have paid attention for the past two months have reams of evidence for this election theft, and the Conyers report (which you obviously have not looked at or you wouldn't make the statements you did above) is only one piece of the puzzle. A very big puzzle, with any small handful of the pieces in that puzzle proving (to me and 60 million other Americans at last count) that the election was stolen.

Read Freeman -- his research is available here. (And after reading Freeman, go buy a PowerBall ticket. Freeman's analysis proves that you are twice as likely to win PowerBall with a single ticket than that the votes in OH, FL and PA occurred in a "tamper-proof black box".)

Read TruthIsAll -- his in-depth analyses are here.

Follow the New Mexico "phantom votes" -- you can find the trail here

Read the Berkeley study or the U. of Illinois study or the CalTech study -- you can find links to them all here.

Visit the Election Incident Reporting System web-site -- it's not hard to find

Read Clint Curtis' affidavit -- you can find it here or at bradblog.com

Visit Case_Ohio,or nostolenelections or electionfraud2004 --we are drowning in evidence. (Actually, we're floating on top of it but the Repugs are beginning to take on water.)

In fact, read anything - anything - you can find here posted over the past two months which documents the voter suppression, voter disenfranchisement, election fraud and theft in depth and in detail.

My only frustration about yesterday was that we only began to touch on the mountain of evidence of the election theft in the hearings. But this morning, I am hopeful that this was intentional. Because some of the evidence we have accumulated will best be presented in courts of law,with real and permanent consequences.

"Better that an person remain silent and be thought a fool than to open his mouth and remove all doubt."

Welcome to DU -- now go read something.

[nodictators]

48. Embarrassing? No! Here's hard evidence of vote suppression

The "election" in Ohio was fradulent in many counties.

First, there is a 20-minute video by Linda Byrket of some of many Franklin County (which includes Columbus) precincts that were denied the proper number of voting machines and the resulting long lines of voters waiting for many hours in the rain to vote.

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/video%20the%20vote.mov

Is it an honest election where a precinct with 1600 registered voters gets only 3 machines for their voters? Would anyone say it is fair if some have to wait in line many hours, even more than 5 hours, to vote? Wouldn't a scheme to shortchange certain precincts be a vicious way of disenfranchising thousands of voters? Is that democracy?

Read Rev. Jesse Jackson's article about Ohio's version of democracy here:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1066

Seven key reasons why the vote must be challenged at the electoral college

by Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rainbow/PUSH Coalition
January 3, 2005

On edit: valid link to video added

[fasttense]

51. I watched every minute of it and

it looked to me like the Repugs were a bunch of crying little boys. Their twisted logic about not having fair and free elections was bizarre to say the least. If one decent Repug sound bite could have been gleamed from their arguments you could bet the Repug MSM would be showing it on every channel. But they looked so bad they couldn't scare one up.

Ohio's election was a fiasco of shoddy planning and rigged counts. You need to do some homework on that one.

I get the feeling you are scared to death to stand up against the Repugs.

"There are just more important things to worry about." Sounds like a Repug spin doctor. When the Repugs rig an election there is always something more important to worry about. Don't look too closely you might see the Repugs rigged it.

[No Exit]

33. You are SO RIGHT!

Next on my own personal agenda: I DEMAND THE RESIGNATION OF GEORGE W. BUSH. In my opinion, the quantity of his crimes has reached critical mass, and he must go.

[muse]

34. You can tell by DeLay's speech that they are not happy.

He's a fool and he resorted to even more extreme attacks than usual. At least, I'm sure he thought he was attacking. He came off as a pathetic school boy. He was a charicature of himself.

He's my congressman, by the way. Sigh.

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[carolinalady]

38. Welcome to DU

So you've been a member for how many hours and you are "questioning" the purpose of this site? I know that I as well as many of the people on this forum are quite open to criticism, but I hope that you spend some time reading with an open mind before you feel compelled to offer more opinion.

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[txindy]

47. Nobody I've talked to has laughed and they've all been republicans

In Texas, no less. They're sickened that Congress - THEIR republican Congress - won't even look into election problems. It doesn't help that they feel publicly embarrassed about their Reps and Senators' refusals being on video forever for the world to see. The reactions I've heard most often from repubs since yesterday has been, "Oh, God, and we're going to show Iraq how to hold elections. Oh, God, what a joke."

Different strokes, I guess. You do have a unique perspective. Good luck with it. I've yet to meet anyone who shares that view.

Edited to add: Very 'interesting' homepage you've got there. :eyes: Now I know where your perspective comes from. Type fast.

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[txindy]

50. Thanks for calling me a liar

I've talked to quite a few republicans since yesterday. I watched the C-Span broadcast yesterday with some of them. They were more moderate than you are, that's for certain. They were outraged, every last one of them, and not for the 'reasons' you have. Now, isn't that amazing?

Lovely homepage you've got there. And you live in Austin? :eyes:

As I said above, type fast.

Edited to add: Okay, I'm impressed with the speed of the mods this morning. I hit alert just as the person above was tombstoned and all of his posts removed. You beat me to it! :toast:

[fasttense]

52. Without fair elections the rest of Democracy doesn't work.

[txindy]

37. You're absolutely right. They are not even close to being happy

We publicly rained on their parade and exposed them for the mean-spirited hypocrites that they truly are. Worse, yet, we got it all on video thanks to C-Span. Those clips were shown around the world and will continue to be shown as this admin. continues it's two-faced, falsely-pious rhetoric about fair elections in other countries.

The best part for me, though, is that yesterday helped make many more Americans aware of the 'irregularities' present in Ohio and the absolute refusal of the republicans to join with the Democrats to investigate this truly bipartisan issue. Talk about painting themselves into a corner. As the fraud investigations and lawsuits continue, that corner is going to get hotter and more toxic.

Cool. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[anamandujano]

43. Not to mention, it's in the congressional record for all of history

to fathom.

[Oversea Visitor]

44. Yes

And since they do a main media blackout on this.
Please burn the whole objection and debates in the House and Senate into DVD
Imagine the shock of the voters when they see it. Such a historical event and ooops they didnt even cover it.
Burning DVD are so cheap and fast and its so powerful.
Talk about a Nuclear Bomb. Haha they just make one big one for you guys to use.
The more they try covering this. The bigger the impact when you show someone; :toast:

[marions ghost]

53. Good Idea to make DVDs

I missed some of the senate proceedings--does anyone know where to find that? I looked on C-span's website and can't find it.
other links??

thanks for your support oversea visitor

[Oversea Visitor]

54. Anytime hehe

Just burning some brain juice to help out.