Is there any support for the strategy of working to defeat them rather

[steelyboo]

than running to win? They do it to us? Its a low down, dirty tactic that really has no merit in a decent political race . . . but they do it. No matter how much we appeal to their "decency", they will continue to do it. They sling mud. They "uncover" dirt. They don't play nice, and they don't apologize when they get caught.

I do not think it is a noble path, but I do think we can do it without getting extremely slimey. We need to just start telling the truth about these guys from the beginning. Lets start with the new congressmen and senators, ones who have not established any reputations, good or bad. Lets use the research capabilities demonstrated on this site and apply that magnifying glass to the newly elected, of both parties (we have to maintain non-partisanship, plus it rubs their nose in shit; we have nothing to hide, they do).

The citizenry needs to examine the backgrounds for crookedness, criminality, and fanatical dealings. If it looks suspicious, bring it up. Do not wildly accuse. Do not throw a shitfit at every little thing.

But do scrutinize, examine; pay attention again, damn it. I say that as much to myself as to everyone else out there that think this stuff does not matter. That is not a path we want to go down.

Anyway, should we start playing a little rougher, or should I go fuck myself:P?

[cheezus]

1. yes!

slap a candidate with a label and then pound it senseless

[steelyboo]

2. ok, me and cheezus, anyone else?

[cheezus]

4. looks like we're the two man mudslinging team

i put you on my buddy list, let me know when you need me :)

[steelyboo]

5. K, Ill do the same, give me a couple of days to hash out some ideas, lets

beat at their own game. I know there are WAY more intelligent, wise and clever Dems than there are these Neo Cons and their ilk. If we can stop them when they first get in, stop the supply line at its source, then work our way up the body to the head of the beast, we have a better chance of success. We just need to start working on how, and not being afraid or too lofty to get our hands dirty.

[FreepFryer]

3. It's definitely in the playbook, provided nothing untrue is offered up.

Otherwise, it's time to play hardball.

[kk897]

6. use their own criticisms against them

find ways of saying they're unpatriotic, anti-family values, don't support the troops, etc.

I agree that a taste of their own medicine wouldn't hurt the health of the system (being that it's in pretty sad shape anyway).

If you come up with some horrible label for Blackwell that would turn republicans against him, be sure to post it! Unfortunately, he seems firmly entrenched in the conservative milieu, so it would be tough.

[seabeyond]

7. a couple problems with this

firstly and most importantly. we had tons of dirt on bush, tons and legitimate things. stuff that was true and factual. and the media didnt report it. period. media didnt play it. not at all. further they continued to attack kerry making him less on his qualities, good things about him media made them downers.

so without cooperation from media, all the dirt, made up and otherwise wont matter, it wont be reported, only what a bad guy the dem is

secondly. the one arguement i have, when someone tells me they both do it, i can say that isnt true. tell me one time a senator, or the candidate or a representitive called bushie a name., lied about him. now lets go thru the long list of repugs saying we disagree with bush we are not patriotic, unamercian. liberal, you are not a christian. a couple governer and sec of education called us terrorist

we get in trouble for going after bush policy, we are picking on him and they call all of us names, the worst, and the repugs are simply playing hard ball. look at what men they are

so no, i dont think it will work

[steelyboo]

8. Yes, this is true. I guess we have to find A) the Dirt and

B) a way to spread said dirt besides the MSM.

My first thoughts are to bring down the MSM, or more to the point, their Coporate Handlers. I wonder if we can't use the FCC to our advantage, similar to how that family decency cell of the Right is sending like 200k complaints to the FCC.

I remember from my radio/TV major days (then someone told me the TRUE possibility of a job.. so I switched majors :P) that when the FCC was established under the Radio Act of 1934, there were restrictions on the amount of the population you could reach. The most well known was the 1 TV/1 Radio station per market per owner. This is the one that the FCC dropped (I think during Clinton's stay, unfortunately), and how we ended up with Clear Channel, and its Ilk; The Megacorps in charge of the MSM.

What I have noticed, even in liberal discussions, is that no one talks about WHY that rule was there. It was part of a broader rule, known as the 25% rule. The 25% rule stated that regardless of the number of markets or stations you owned, you could not reach more than 25% of the U.S. WHY? Because the Nazi's were on the rise in Germany, and of course our government watched Germany like a hawk after the Great War. They feared a group would use this powerful means of communication for ill-gotten gains, say, like taking over the country. I am unsure of the status of this rule, and will need to find out more before commenting further.

Another equally important rule tied to the above was no foreign ownership of Telecommunications. Stated for the same reasons as above, this would be the one I want to use. Assuming we can construct the right argument, we can put into question Rupert the Aussie's ownership of Faux. This would be the great route, because we could take out the "Pied Piper" of the right, and hopefully our lemmings (the big 3, CNN) will snap out of their ratings-war induced stupors and do their job again.


On your second point I woud have to disagree, both sides do not do it. Quite frankly, the Dem's have always lost the dirt war. WHY? We take the intellectual high ground; we can't lower ourselves to their level. Well, I say bullshit. If they are incapable of intellectual debate, and the Neocons have shown they are 2 steps below a drunken frat guy time and time again, then who are you gong to debate? So fight dirty, but don't GET dirty. Don't plant shit. Don't lie. Simply scream the truth in their face. They come back with something that has nothing to do with the debate, character assassination? Say "Look you moron, we are talking about X, if you need me to write it down for your ignorant ass so you can use it as a clift note for the debate, I will. Otherwise, quit trying to divert from the subject at hand." rinse, repeat, until they give in, or you strangle them :P

So, Basically "SMART ASSES OF THE left, RISE! YOUR TIME HAS COME!"