If MSM coverage is any indication...

[joeunderdog]

we will not be riding a surge of momentum to voter reform.

I just went to 9 MSM sites. The Election Challenge was only in the top 5--that's top 5!--in 2. Pathetic. Yesterday's hearing amounted to token resistence rather than the beginnings of a new movement for Election Reform.

Where's the bounce? We got NOTHIN. We went with a whimper and not a bang. No one barely noticed.

Public pressure? Angry voters? OUTRAGE? Nope.

[LiberalVoice]

1. Alot of DU memebers want to pretend that yesterdays events...

would have a reaction on the public(The same DUers that think Kerry handled everyhting wonderfully). It's ridiculous. I was trying not to fall asleep watching those morons reading slowly from their speechs in a monotone voice. Nothing changes because they don't care enough to be outraged.

[rodeodance]

2. sadly, coverage was just a blip on a radar screen-gone now

But I do have hopes that election reform will take place.

[EuroObserver]

3. I begin to think the deafening silence from the BBC

World Service radio and web site is extremely eloquent.

But only to those in the know.

[sportndandy]

4. No coverage because dems didn't fight

By stressing that they think Bush won on fairly, every dem defused the issue. Go back and watch the tapes and you will hear a distint tone of condecension FROM THE DEMS towards african-american voters. They spoke as if this issue is important to "them" and since they have no other voice it should brought up. The white dems were indulging the black voters, almost sarcastically.

Why on earth should the MSM cover that?

[LibDemAlways]

52. Even Boxer used the word "inconvenient."

There was little passion. These were people, especially the Senators, going through the motions for the cameras and the minority in this country who give a damn about democracy.

[OneBlueSky]

5. yesterday was a token to keep the left pacified . . .

you could tell that most of them didn't have their hearts in it . . . and, particularly in the Senate, those who spoke didn't even bother to vote for the resolution . . .

wasn't news because the Dems didn't MAKE it news . . . and didn't want it to BE news . . . simple as that . . .

[mattclearing]

6. The rally that marched in Washington was only a few hundred.

While I found it inspiring, it just goes to show how few people have taken the red pill on the election, and how few others find our elections processes mind-bogglingly corruptible.

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. As much as a success as the '51 State Capitol' rallies

Perhaps those had low attendence because people thought it was being held in another country. One that has 51 states.

[AirAmFan]

8. Huh? I counted over a thousand 'hits' on the google.com/news home page

I didn't even have to search! Stories about yesterday's HISTORIC events had the most coveted position, at the top left corher of the Google News page at http://www.google.com/news .

And this is just the start! Frank Lautenberg promised to introduce legistation narrowly focused on eliminating conflicts of interest like Ken Blackwell's and Katherine Harris's. They were running partisan campaigns for candidates in statewide elections they were supposed to oversee in a nonpartisan manner.

If we just focused on getting Lautenberg's legislation through committee and onto the Senate floor, we'd have Republicans on the run! Tom Delay, Mike DeWine and other Republicans were right. The issue of election fairness is EXPLOSIVE and had the potential to undermine Rove's misinformation machine like no other issue. And conflicts of interest like Blackwell's and Harris's are completely indefensible.

[joeunderdog]

10. Not ONE headline of a major news source that I found.

I'd like to have seen some front page coverage at least. Yeah, there are stories buried in the media, but not enough to generate a buzz around the water cooler. Gonzalez got WAY more ink. Yesterday's event was not seen as a historic event that will permeate our political thinking, rather a news story that had no particular distinction from the day's briefs.

[fearnobush]

59. Please.... Forget the Right Winged MSM. They are not going to report it.

And if they really did, it would all be negative press against those who question the Chimp-Pansy assed fraudulent leader. This movement did not begin over night and it will not grow in just one day either. Until the Democratic Party or the Puke Party recognise fraud as a major issue, until they realize they cannot steal and get away with it anymore - they will continue to be quiet about it.

Yesterday was a big jump start - even if you thought it was lame... It's only the second time in History that it has happened. If not for nothing, it proved that WE here made the Dem party listen to us and act, it made them realize that we have power to truth.


God Bless the Democratic Underground

[enough already]

21. Not even a blip on the radar

Very quickly checked 3 places: MSNBC home page and both Philly newspaper site home pages. Nothing. Not even a hint of news coverage on the front page. As predicted, without Kerry openly involved and a united Dem front in Congress, this would be nothing more than a sideshow. Nothing tangible was "won" yesterday.

[tx_dem41]

22. Not a mention at all in my paper this morning...

Granted its the Dallas Morning News, but the journalistic side of the paper is fairly moderate.

[roenyc]

24. heck lots of NY press!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/politics/07elect.html?oref=login

the daily news made it about **!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/268827p-230234c.html
Dems lose W elex challenge

BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - President Bush's dream of bipartisan cooperation flamed out yesterday when congressional Democrats launched a doomed challenge to overturn his election.
============================
from the POST/FOX same difference:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/37788.htm
Schumer, of course, is correct.

There is no evidence of fraud in the Ohio outcome. None.

Certainly there are no "legitimate questions" about the accuracy or integrity of the Nov. 2 vote.

If Hillary Clinton had any, she would have raised them long before yesterday's pander to Internet trolls and others who see benefit in undermining the legitimacy of critical American institutions.

No election is perfectly conducted.

That's not the issue.

Clinton and her Democratic colleagues yesterday alleged — without actually saying so, of course — that November's election was stolen.

And that's simply outrageous.

Here's a footnote with particular relevance to this year's New York City mayoral election: Rep. Anthony Weiner, the Brooklyn Democrat who heretofore had impressed a lot of people with his apparent seriousness of purpose, was front and center in yesterday's panderfest: He signed a letter demanding the challenge.

One would have to be either shamefully cynical, or a moron, to take the Ohio election-fraud charges seriously.

Weiner is no moron.

That leaves shameful cynic.

He also presumes to run against Mayor Bloomberg this fall, and clearly sees benefit in a pander to his party's wacko wing.

New York doesn't really need yet another shamefully cynical panderer in public life.

Weiner — and Sen. Clinton — need to get a little perspective.

It's not always about winning.

===========================
newsday ran a fair article: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-bc-ny--schumer-electoral0106jan06,0,2540056.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

[suziedemocrat]

9. That's because MSM is Okay with election fraud!

It has been my belief for years that if we have a large turn-out, and fair elections, the Republicans don't have much of a chance at controlling the white house or congress. I think they know this - and that's why a little election fraud is ok.


edited oksy to be okay.

[Al-CIAda]

11. Blame our SPINELESS party

Just imagine the powerful statement if they all stood as a block.
...of course that would demand of them that they study the Conyers report and take seriously the citizens' right to vote. They would rather cower and hope for table scraps from the fascists.

[McCamy Taylor]

12. I wrote a letter to the editor, they will be getting plenty of Freeper

letters so they may feel compelled to print some counter stuff too, which means holes may appear in the wall of media silence. Get out the pens and start writing. Here is my letters for Fort Worth.Tjis paper has been like the Kremlin as far as news about Ohio is concerned but then Lockheed is a BIG employeer here. They printed a horrid KnighRidder piece about how the House overwhelming adores Bush even though some liberals tried to spoil the party. It did have a nice pic of Boxer and Tubbs-Jones though, so it is going to catch the eyes of local Dems. I guess the Dems on the newspaper staff slipped that in and the Repubs didnt catch it.

MY LETTER:

"Yesterday Sen. Barbara Boxer and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones showed remarkable courage in going against convention to draw attention to the plight of those less fortunate than themselves. I am not writing about tsunami victims in Southeast Asia. The “victims” are United States citizens who happen to live in the wrong zip code or have the wrong surname or belong to the wrong ethnic group. For too long, political parties have played a game of systematically disenfranchising these groups in order help one candidate. It happened once again last fall in Ohio. Was the disenfranchisement any worse than before? Does it matter? Someone has to draw a line in the sand and say “Enough!” Boxer and Tubbs-Jones with the help of groups dedicated to voting rights are doing just that, and I believe that we should support their efforts.

"For those who wish to learn more about some of the events which took place in Ohio before during and after the election, Rep, John Conyers has already begun an investigation. A preliminary, 100 page report of his findings is available on-line. Rep. Ney, a US House Republican promised last fall that he would hold official Congressional hearings into the matter this spring, and I believe that he should be held to his promise. By examining what is broken in Ohio, Congress should be better able to fix our election system…assuming that the Republican majority want to fix it.

"Now, a challenge from me to those of you who believe that Fort Worth is doing well under the current system ( and we are. One of our largest employers is among the ten largest beneficiaries of both the War in Iraq and the Department of Homeland Security). If there was a dead possum rotting under your porch, you wouldn’t wait for your neighbors to call the city to come get it. You would clean your own house. Yesterday, Boxer and Tubbs-Jones didn’t WANT to stand up in protest and face the ridicule of their peers, like Tom Delay. Anyone who thinks they were enjoying it, should look at the photos of both women with tears in their eyes. They were like two neighbors who were forced to put clothespin over their nose to go under somebody else’s porch and clean up somebody else’s mess for the sake of the whole neighborhood."

[Smoochie]

36. Great letter McCamy - keep it up!

[McCamy Taylor]

43. Thanks!

[Straight Shooter]

47. Excellent letter! If you haven't sent it yet, include link

to Conyers' report.

:thumbsup:

[never_get_over_it]

13. Orlando Sentinile

page 10A - I'll be writing a letter to the editor on this and I think we should all do this over and over again. That is my plan as well as writing to all the Dems in the House and Senate to tell them that I want the following

1. Voting machines with open source code that can be scrutinized by impartial experts.

2. Paper trail which allows the voter to confirm their vote before finalizing. I also like the feature that gives you a receipt number which allows you to check later on the internet that your vote was actually cast and counted as you believed.

3. Make it a criminal act for ANYONE except election officials to challenge a person's right to vote

4. Make it a criminal act to harass or intimidate any voter

AND

5. Make it illegal for anyone who is involved with either candidate's campaign to be in charge of the election as both Kathrine Harris and Ken Blackwell. For me this is so unbelievably outrageous that it makes me scream.

and on another note I will ask for an investigation of Ohio, Florida and New Mexico because I believe all of those states belong in the Kerry column.

[McCamy Taylor]

14. NYT rushed it to Front page last night special and has nice write up today

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/politics/07elect.html?oref=login

In many ways, the debate came about because of the relentless efforts of a small group of third-party activists, liberal lawyers, Internet muckrakers and civil rights groups, who have been arguing since Election Day that the Ohio vote was rigged for Mr. Bush.

In the weeks since, those groups have organized rallies and public hearings in Ohio protesting the vote, filed lawsuits contesting Mr. Bush's victory and demanded a statewide recount that resulted in Mr. Bush's margin of victory shrinking by 300 votes, to about 118,450. They also protested in Washington on Thursday.

"I think we're seeing a political realignment going on," David Cobb, the Green presidential candidate, said at a rally across the street from the White House. "The rank and file of the Democratic Party are far more progressive than the corporatist leaders of the party."

[Duncan]

15. Um... there are 1011 stories on the front page of google news

Some downplaying and some positive I'm sure. But I havn't seen anything like it since Nov 2.

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=us

For me this has been about OVERTURNING the election since Nov 3rd when I noticed it was stolen. Why shouldn't it be? When you lose due to cheating you should be a VERY SORE LOSER.

[tx_dem41]

23. Its been buried on TV, and lets face it...thats the only media that counts

And no mention at all in my paper today.

[McCamy Taylor]

16. Washington Post mentions protesters

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54512-2005Jan6.html

Earlier in the day, more than 100 protesters rallied in front of the White House to demand and, ultimately, celebrate Boxer's decision to join Tubbs Jones in protesting the Ohio vote. They gathered in Lafayette Park, where speakers including Jesse L. Jackson, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and former Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb portrayed the November election as having been compromised by error and fraud, and demanded that the Senate do something about it.

"Some senators . . . have gone to Ukraine to investigate that election," Jackson said. "They've gone to Iraq. But not one has gone to Columbus, Ohio."

Still, some protesters said, yesterday's debates were a good start. "This is going to open the floodgates to information about what happened in Ohio," said one protester, who would give only his first name, Andy.

[helderheid]

17. I expected the corporate media

to ignore it. I am hoping Michael Moore picks up the ball and I think he will. Expect it in F911.5

[McCamy Taylor]

18. LA Times seems mostly interested in Boxer...and some other chick

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-electoral7jan07,1,3567899.story?coll=la-politics-pointers


nothing of substance in this one, damn la times used to be a good paper, when did it turn into such a rag? did someone buy them?

[McCamy Taylor]

19. San Fran Chronicle calls Boxer "feisty liberal Senator" !

Great pic of Tubbs-Jones on the Front Page






http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/01/07/MNGFDAMQ1B1.DTL

California Sen. Barbara Boxer, expressing regret for failing to act after the contested 2000 presidential election, delayed George Bush's formal re-election for almost four hours Thursday in a nearly unprecedented protest of election day irregularities.

Boxer and fellow Democrat Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Cleveland, relying on widespread reports of voting problems on Nov. 2, stopped the count of Electoral College votes with a formal objection to the Ohio results. Their protest, which they said wasn't aimed at overturning Bush's victory over Democratic Sen. John Kerry, triggered a debate in the House and Senate on election reform.

"This was a hard decision, but I feel really good about this decision," said Boxer, the feisty liberal senator who easily won re-election in November to her fourth term. "We cannot keep turning our eyes away from a flawed system, particularly as we have people dying in Iraq every day to bring democracy to those people."

[Smoochie]

46. Editorial in SF Chronicle pretty good too

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/01/07/EDGOQALLPD1.DTL

"...Boxer went through the shopping list of issues: voters forced to wait for hours in the rain because of shortages of machines, especially in African American communities; the disqualification of thousands of provisional ballots in Cleveland after voters were given faulty instructions; the Franklin County voting machine that registered 4,258 votes for President Bush -- when only 638 people voted.

The extent of these voting problems is unacceptable in a nation that prides itself as a model of democracy. It shows that the voting-system reforms implemented after the disputed 2000 election were not sufficient. ..."

[McCamy Taylor]

50. missed it

thanks

[tngledwebb]

20. MSM complicit, MSM complicit, MSM complicit, MSM complicit...

Msm complicit in the theft of two presidential elections, in covering up the truth about BFEE, while spreading lies about Clinton, Gore, Dean, and Kerry.

MSM complicit in covering up the truth about 9/11 and the ME wars for three years.

MSM complicit. Not merely lazy, incompetent, corrupted by money and power, but complicit with this illegal insane and evil regime. MSM complicit in running this country and the world into Apocalypse.

MSM will not help us. MSM is the PROBLEM.

[roenyc]

26. You are correct! they are trivializing it all

they are just making it look like an interruption. and the NY post NYC GOP rag, made me ill. trashing Hillary and and the congressman who was brave enough to sign and praising schumer for saying there was no fraud.

schumer is my s list. done. i now see the problem it caused Hillary for just standing and talking about it. my goodness this is disgusting. we have got to stop this but how. we are living in a novel. we are living 1984

[tngledwebb]

53. Put 'em all on the shit list unless they have a very good excuse for it.

Yes, 1984 comes to mind, has done for four years. Also some of HP Lovecraft's stories impart the appropriate flavor. And don't forget Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Kafka, etc.

I hope the rest of the world comes to our rescue soon. If they care.

[Al-CIAda]

27. CM complicit, CM complicit, CM complicit, CM complicit

Corporate Media complicit...along with Dem fascist sympathizers...

Hell, save Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, & Laura Flanders, even Air America hosts and daily news updates tried to ignore it.

Did you hear protest updates and all the goings on that WE KNOW was going on over the past 2 MONTHS? ...AA missed an opportunity -again.

[roenyc]

30. AA missed an opportunity -again?

hu?

[tngledwebb]

34. Right on.

As the Average White Band said- we got work to do. And as Sam Cooke said- I know a change is going to come.

[McCamy Taylor]

25. Chicago Tribune all but calls the Democrats Pussies...

These write ups are fascinating. Rather than using AP stories, the major dailies are writing their own so you are getting the bias of each of the papers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0501070299jan07,1,4477091.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed


Leading Democrats seemed almost apologetic over the objection but argued that it was necessary to draw attention to voting irregularities in urban, primarily Democratic areas. Those problems haven't been addressed since the election debacle of 2000, when the Supreme Court finally called Florida and the election for Bush, Democrats argued.

"Today's electoral challenge is not intended to overturn the results of the election," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). "It is instead to discuss the real problems with our electoral system and the failings of the process in Ohio and elsewhere."

Pelosi did not encourage the challenge, and Tubbs Jones acted independently, Pelosi's office said.

***

Rev. Jesse Jackson, who combed the halls of Congress throughout the morning encouraging members to support the challenge, called Kerry weak for failing to support the protest or otherwise carry on the electoral battle.

"Kerry surrendered too quickly and has not vigorously questioned this," said Jackson, who excused Obama's vote, saying he was simply following the marching orders of party leaders.

Despite their disappointment over the small number to join the protest, Tubbs Jones, Boxer and other challengers called the day a success, saying they had highlighted the need for national election reform.

[roenyc]

28. this is why they all needed to sign!

do we understand that now. thats why randi was nuts yesterday. she knew the press would react this way.

[McCamy Taylor]

33. The Chicago Tribune piece is designed to get Dems to write the Party

DEMANDING that they join on board election reform. It is a very good article for our side, you will see.

[Al-CIAda]

31. Leading Democrats seemed almost apologetic over the objection

"Leading Democrats seemed almost apologetic over the objection"


This is the problem...where is the moral OUTRAGE?
WHO is fearful of speaking out for the basic right to vote?!

[roenyc]

37. I know i agree

i am also scared. for our future. AA missed an opportunity is what i didn't understand. but now i do.

they have many clear channel stations. Randi was threatened a few weeks back and told not to talk about this. this was in November. it was scary as hell. it had something to do with a deal she was working on. probably clear channel.

that is why you haven't heard any thing out of AL TV star franken i am sure. i dont listen to Jeannine so i dont know.

but mike and laura are true to the cause. they are disc jocky's not TV stars. morning edition too.

if we lose them we are the really the underground. all we will have is the web.

it sounds crazy but 5 years ago would you ever think we would be typing about this?

[McCamy Taylor]

29. Boston Globe focuses on GOP rudeness from Delay

If these quotes from Tom Delay dont encourage Democrats to demand election reform just to spite him, I dont know what will. "It needs to be curbed"? I wonder how folks in Boston will respond to that? Thank you Boston Globe for putting them at the very beginning of your story where all the New England Democrats can read them!




ttp://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/01/07/democrats_challenge_ohio_electoral_vote_count/

Representative Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, accused Democrats of a ''crime against the dignity of American democracy," and said they were trying to use conspiracy theories to overturn an election.

''The purpose of this position is not justice, but noise," said DeLay, Republican of Texas, in a speech that drew applause from his colleagues. ''They have turned to what might be called the 'X-Files' wing of the Democrat Party. . . . A dangerous precedent is being set today, and it needs to be curbed."

[katinmn]

56. DeLay: It's not the x-files wing, it's the estro-dems wing

which is fighting for equality.

We won't be curbed, you cur!

[Oversea Visitor]

32. Aaaaah

Just go and burn the whole event into a DVD from Cspan
The less people notice the more proof of media blackout
Such a historical event and no press cover it hehehe
Imagine how shock people will be when you show them this DVD
Better still burn 100 of it and pass it around.
Hmm 60k DU member X 100 each
OMG 6,000,000 DVD on this all over USA

Dont depend on the media you got to do this

[roenyc]

44. Pass it out to the projects in the ghetto

start a freaking revolution now. I tried that with F-911 but i didn't get to many people interested. i did get some. i got so many people to vote who told me, why should i. our votes dont matter.

I said its our only hope to change things. and then this. they know their votes didn't matter. they are not stupid. they are way smarter then me, hell i thought voting mattered.

anyway. those are the people who need to see this. they need to know that they need to organize and get out into the streets.

cause the white man does not like when a bunch of angry black people march on their neighborhood.

[McCamy Taylor]

45. Organize an inauguration day protest march

[Oversea Visitor]

48. Haha F911 is abit hard for people to chew on

Watch the whole thing on Cspan. I watch it twice
Its a friggins nuke if they do media blackout on this

[JPZenger]

35. NPR Had Good Coverage

NPR had a good special report yesterday afternoon while the challenge was underway. Unfortunately, many NPR affiliates did not broadcast it.

[McCamy Taylor]

40. OO, wish I had heard. NPR has gotten so sucky lately I no longer listen

Can you give a summary?

[seabeyond]

38. tv news is no longer news. it is the internet we go to for news

and that news comes from us. the kerry's of the world need to grab on help us create the new media

[McCamy Taylor]

41. Agreed. I still go to the print media but only because they are online

and are making the transition the internet fairly smoothly. So is radio. The TV news people are doomed.

[seabeyond]

42. doomed i tell you

baah hahahahahhaha

take em down,. take em all the way down

[McCamy Taylor]

39. You've gotten love it when Pravda covers our election problems

http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/01/07/57739.html

California Sen. Barbara Boxer and Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, formally lodged objections because of Ohio, although they said they recognized Bush had won and were not trying to overturn the results.
They said their goal was to force lawmakers to heed problems that had been particularly evident in Democratic-leaning minority and urban neighborhoods and to consider the need for more voting reforms including standard election rules in all states.
"This objection does not have at its root the hope or even the hint of overturning or challenging the victory of the president," Tubbs Jones said. Boxer called it a matter of "electoral justice."

[McCamy Taylor]

49. Here is a good example of Right Wing bias in Journalism:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/10589120.htm


Note the title of the article which appears in the Fort Worth Star Telegram (home of Lockheed which is in the list of top 10 beneficiaries of Homeland Security and the War in Iraq)

"Congress Rejects Challenge to Results of Ohio Election"

"Rejects" is the verb, not "challenge". This changes the whole meaning of the story. The GOP is in charge. The GOP won.

It gets worse. In the first paragraph we have "they (meaning Boxer and Tubbs-Jones) ultimately succumbed to a bipartisan tide eager to put the election behind them."
Tom Delay's rude remarks, which even in Texas would be considered innapropriate have become sanitized. "Republicans labeled Democratic objectors 'sore losers.' House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, noting that the roll call on the objection was the first vote of the new Congress, said Democratic leaders 'have turned to the X-Files wing of the Democratic Party to make their first impression.The Democrats,' DeLay said, 'have replaced statecraft with stagecraft.'"


This one earns a double puke.





Of course, the FReepers probably feel the same about the San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Tribune and Boston Globe pieces to which I reply

[McCamy Taylor]

51. NOt all Texas is Bush country, from Austin American Statesman

http://www.statesman.com/hp/content/shared-gen/ap/US_Congress/Electoral_Vote.html

"We have people dying in Iraq every day to bring democracy to those people. We need to have the best system we can have," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., who kept the formal complaint alive by providing the senator's signature that House proponents needed.

Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., was among several lawmakers who mentioned allegations of electoral wrongdoing by Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, who was co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in the state. He has denied those accusations.

Waters, among several members of the Congressional Black Caucus who pressed the challenge, said Blackwell is, "I'm ashamed to say, an African-American man."

[Not a Sheep]

54. The only way the objections would've gotten the MSM's attention is if....

.... Barbara Bopxer would have had a "wardrobe malfunction" and exposed a nipple yesterday.

Sadly, the debates weren't sexy enough for the MSM and too complicated for the average uninformed American to understand.

[joeunderdog]

57. Or if Kerry talked about a Diebold malfunction...

For good or for bad, it would've been a top story in the media if JK cared to be there.

My advice to Kerry: Better to die a political suicide than live a political lie.

[Snivi Yllom]

55. It was always obvious yesterday's action would be reported in 1 of 2 ways

in the MSM

1. the act of raving tinfoil hat lunatics out of touch with reality

2. A Page 15 under the fold story about a minor bump in an inevitable process that tried to draw some attention to election refommmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[McCamy Taylor]

58. NYT editorial agrees with Challengers with need for election reform

and while I want Kerry to be President, I want Election Reform, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/opinion/07fri2.html?oref=login

[rumpel]

60. MSM is owned. It is not journalism anymore. Remember Moyers last show?

journalism = opinion, according to the Republicans.