I say we split the party

[Pharaoh]

These guys just don't seem to get it.
Very large corporations own both major partys

Howard Dean proved that we can compete with the corporate money by getting tens of thousands of small donors. I personally gave the Dean campaign 700 dollars. And I had never given to a politician before, but this is too important.....


WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS!

If the DLC does not go with Dean I say we form a new party

anybody with me?
:dem:

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Great so instead of getting 48% of the vote

our candidates will get 24%.....

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[roseBudd]

10. Because Wesley Clark is a war hero and dean would have been creamed

as the latte sipping liberal from gay Vermont

[hippiechick]

6. I would rather

vote for a candidate who may lose, but in the event he/she does win, I know will represent me ... not just talk alot of populist BS to get my vote, then turn into a corporate whore once they get to DC.


:hippie:

[tx_dem41]

12. But since, in the proposed scenario, they would NOT win..

they will NEVER get the chance to represent you.

[primavera]

45. Then again...

a.) You don't know for a fact that Dean would have lost - some analysts would argue that Kerry's narrow defeat had little to do with him being too liberal, but because he wasn't able to differentiate his positions adequately from der Fuehrer's and, in the absence of a clear distinction between the two on many of the issues nearest and dearest to voters' hearts, voters went with the known quantity. Sure, that analysis could be wrong, but then again, maybe it's not, my point is that the election results don't prove that liberals can't win elections.

b.) Even if you're right and Dean would have gone down in flames, at least he would have gone down standing for something and offering a sharp, marked contrast in the voters' minds from what der Fuehrer had to offer. And when, four years from now, the shrub has reduced the planet to a charred, smoking cinder, voters, had they been offered a clear choice between strikingly different visions, might have stopped to ponder whether they'd made the right decision and learn something from their mistake. As it is, they'll instead tell themselves that Kerry would have done no differently than Bush and, in many respects, they'll be right.

[stray cat]

2. No - I think the Bush camp is worse than any of our democrats

or even moderate republicans. I want to have a voice and not just a powerless squeak.

[Cocoa]

3. welcome to DU!

thanks for coming here to propose splitting the dem party! :hi:

[katinmn]

5. Support the progressive caucuses within State Dem parties

If you're not at the point of leaving, reform from within.

http://www.pdamerica.org/

[Trillo]

7. I don't understand.

Are you saying that if the DLC goes with Dean, that splitting the party isn't a good idea? If so, this seems rather manipulative to me.

[Pharaoh]

17. yes Clinton probably did do him in

The rnc/dnc were terrified of a Dean win in the primary's, Gephart and kerry actually supported a 527 that smeared Dean right before the Iowa caucass.

The dlc will not pick Dean because he is a populist who cannot be "controlled" by corporate money,the rnc/dnc and MSM all coordinated to bring him down,

It was obvious to those of us within the campaign what happened, and Dean will set it all straight to y'all when this all is done playing out.........:dem:

[Petrushka]

8. Divide and conquer, eh? [hrmph!] (eom)

[tx_dem41]

Yep...Karl's plan seems to be working as planned. n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

9. Just give me an alternative.

Please! Just give me an alternative.

[mattclearing]

11. I say we stab ourselves in the eye with a dirty fork!

Anybody with me?

[Karmadillo]

13. Wouldn't it be better to trick the Republicans into splitting?

n/t

[NewYorkerfromMass]

36. nah! Apparently some want to do their (GOP) work for them. nt

[garybeck]

14. WHAT WE NEED

is for a prominent leader in the democratic party to break ranks and join the Green party.

For example, if Howard Dean came out and said that the problems in the Democratic party are not being fixed (including election fraud) and he's therefore changing parties to Green (or other third party) then millions will follow him.

Without one of the leaders (or several) shifting, most of the people will stay there and then it's just "divide and conquer"

[stray cat]

26. If so I'm looking for a moderate republican who can win

[Oversea Visitor]

15. Send me US 1 million

I start a party in Malaysia for you
Then I fly over 100 DU members for a big party
We let you be president till the million run out
After that back to real life.

[Smoochie]

18. Hi Overseas Visitor ... and a quick hello from Scotland - sorry I

missed the chance to reply to your greeting yesterday! Let me know if you get the $1m!

:toast:

[Oversea Visitor]

20. Ok you can takeover my idea

Need to see Loch Ness monster. He can still be President hehe
:hi:

[katinmn]

27. LOL!

[RevCheesehead]

28. LOL - Oversea, you are too funny!

Let me know when you get the party set up - I'm there! :)

[Oversea Visitor]

32. Hey

Its call having a big bang and getting a kick out of it.
:hug:

[tex-wyo-dem]

16. Great idea...

then we can all enjoy an autocratic regime ruled by the neocons for decades to come...wonderful...

Instead, how 'bout we work to help the Democratic party fix itself and get these damn voting issues taken care of.

[Pharaoh]

19. They are addicted to

corporate money:dem:

[Oversea Visitor]

24. Confucius

say Man with 38 posts need to listen to man with 138"

[RevCheesehead]

21. Sure! Let's form the People's Front of Judea:

or the more appropriate Popular Front of Judea:



NGU

[NoPasaran]

25. Splitter! n/t

[NoPasaran]

22. You might check with Howard

Last I heard he was committed to rebuilding this party from the ground up. And so am I.

[Vinnie From Indy]

23. Karl Rove Couldn't Have Put It Any Better Than You Did !

I am sure he appreciates your asking!

[Pharaoh]

29. Hey folks

I'm just really sick of being treated like shit by the fascists and the dems spine transplant did'nt seem to take, maybe they need a lobotomy.........:wtf:

[Vinnie From Indy]

30. Maybe We Need New Party Leadership and Not A new Party

You don't build a new house because the toilet backs up.

[Oversea Visitor]

33. So sorry

Should know better then go near fascists. I mean they dont respect Pharaoh ... da king.
As for spine with a name like Pharaoh you should have a lot of that.
Now start being king and lead the army to kill the fascists.
As for lobotomy, me got big brains but I like them united.
See I believe unity is strength.

[chapel hill dem]

31. If the Party is split, Jeb will win '08 EC 538-0 n/t

[buddysmellgood]

34. The republican party.

[johan helge]

35. Well, Bush is with you, I can tell you that

Nothing would be better for these crooks than the Democrats splitting.

[AmerDem]

37. you're way off base

Why the fuck should we split the party? It's OUR party. We will do what we are great at doing and that's calling out those leaders that fail to represent we the base and our party's name. We are the heart and soul of the party and when we start electing people like Wes Clark and Howard Dean we will be well on our way to being truly represented.

[Pharaoh]

38. I hope your right

amerdem,

I just think things need to fundamentaly change within this party, threatening a split may just wake some people up that are taking us (their base)for granted...........:hippie:

[AmerDem]

44. hope I'm right?

That's the problem. Many start believing that those in office are our bosses. They work for us. They are elected. If they are reelected ( barring voting fraud of course) the problem lies with the base itself.

A new message to voters can quickly change warped points of view like this.

[Oversea Visitor]

46. Babara Boxer and Tubb Jones

risk everything to object and all Democrats was trying to speak at the 2 hours debate in both House and Senate.
I watch it all twice they even try sharing the 5 minutes they have each. After all that you try to taint this by asking people here to split the pary...

GO BACK TO THE HOLE YOU CRAWL OUT FROM...:nuke:

[ClassWarrior]

39. YUP - THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!

NGU.

[mzmolly]

43. Ha!

Good one.

[JunkYardDogg]

40. We should Infiltrate the Local Dem parties and change 'em

If none of you have ever gone to your local Dem party meetings, GO!!
You will not beleive how lame and clueless and out of touch they are
They seem to be in a 50's time warp
If each of us can get others in our communities to go we can infiltrate
and take over the locals and move up to a statwide than a nationwide effective movement.

[Inland]

41. Well, Dean won't be with you. But I guess that proves he is tainted, too

[mzmolly]

42. So does George Bush, but that guy in your avatar thinks it would be

ignorant. So do I.