Kerry's chess game analogy is still valid

[shraby]

Yesterday, he captured the pawns in the debate. All they had was talking points for the debate arguments which play well on t.v. shows, but for a serious debate such as yesterday they don't hold water. i.e. what has Michael Moore got to do with Ohio's problems at the polls. The Dems had Ohio's problems front and center the whole time. And yes, people watched the historic debate. The Dems got their point across they didn't have to vote yea at the end.

Conyers got his findings about the Ohio vote officially into the record. It can now be used. There is one of the bishops. Call Frist and Hastert like Kerry wants you to because it will bring Conyers findings into play. Use it in your phone call.

His knights are in court with cases yet to be determined. One in the Ohio Supreme Court and one in the U.S. District Court of Ohio. I say knights because of the odd way they move on a chess board.

His trip to Iraq will be either bishops or castles. One moves diagonally and one moves straight. His trip wasn't just a photo op. He's gathering information to be used and I'm sure he'll have lots of fodder. He also made trips to Jordan and (I think) Syria.

Quitcherbellyachin and help him out in this! He can't do it alone.

[AlbizuX]

1. well...this is one chess player...

that won't be supporting his march toward a checkmate.

His moment to seize the national spotlight and glory is over...I expected him to become the Kerry of his anti-war years, and he gave us a spineless version 2.0.

I'm looking toward new people...bring on Kucinich, Clark, Dean, and others...I want new faces...and i want the Democrats to fight the Republicans...enough post-911 fake patriotism and fear of dissenting.

[Vinca]

2. Ditto

Bring on the patriots who were brave enough to vote "no" yesterday.

[rainy]

9. Where was Kucinich yesterday and why didn't he vote with

Boxer?

[MercutioATC]

13. Because he's not a Senator, perhaps?

State Representatives voting in the Senate is frowned upon, I'm told.


(He did vote in the House, however)

[corbett]

41. That's A Tough One To Answer

Both his convention speech in the summer and his challenge speech on January 6 lead us to believe that he's on the right side. My guess is that Kerry asked him to vote no but gave him the option of making a speech. He's one of the insiders.

[ewagner]

3. I respect your opinion

but think you're wrong.

Kerry is out of the game and has been out of it since the Wednesday after the election.

[Klimmer]

44. And I respect your opinion, but I think you are wrong.

John Kerry has been at this a very long time, we need long term vision. We were all hoping for instant gratification, but that is not reality when we are dealing with and fighting the Bush crime family. Look at the long war John Kerry has been fighting: Vietnam, helping the anti-Vietnam movement, exposing the CIA-Contra affair of Reagan/Bush, taking down the terrorist Bank BCCI (Bush family ties again), fighting this Neocon administration (aka, the Bush crime family) that has a strangle hold on this country, winning this election of 2004 (but then having it stolen from him by fraud, thanks to the Bush crime family), and now fighting for election reform and guess who would like to see this go nowhere, yes you are right again the Neocon Repug Administration (aka the Bush crime family).

I posted this in another thread but it is appropriate here as well . . .

Think about it. The Repugs played right into our (we the people, John Kerry, and the democrats) hands on 1-6-05.

Before the election the Repugs painted John Kerry to be the devil incarnate himself and absolutely wrong for the good citizens of the US and our country. John Kerry bad, the people good.

During (and now after) the historic contest of 1-6-05, the Repugs stood up there and praised John Kerry for being gracious, noble for stepping down and conceding so quickly (John Kerry knew what he was doing). Now the Repugs are painting the people of our great country as conspiracy theorists, sore losers, nut heads, etc. In other words, the people bad, John Kerry good.

They, Neocon Repugs and the Repug Party are the ultimate flip-floppers!!! This is brilliant. This is priceless.

Can anyone, in the world, not see what the Neocon Republican Party and the Bush crime family really stands for and truly are? A political party that is against and fights, and holds down the good people of this great nation. Can that be anymore wrong?

John Kerry is a hero, and he is doing the hard work that must be done. He knows the election was stolen, he just can't come out and say it, because even though we have a lot of soft evidence that points to it being stolen, hard evidence is the only thing that holds up in a court of law---and we are working on it! Kerry pushes and nudges just enough to keep things going, he knows this will be a long fight. He says things in such a way now publicly so that the Neocons don't get all bent out of shape, but then he does something else all together different hidden from view, except to those who support him. This is a war that is not for the faint of heart. Hang in there, keep fighting, don't give-up and support Kerry and everyone else working to make things right again in this country. Kerry now may never be President, but if this all leads to one day bringing down the Bush crime family and exposing this evil administration for what it really is, then in the long run it is worth it. I hope we can. I hope John Kerry runs again in 2008. We have alot of work to do, now so let's get to it.

Let's not battle against ourselves. Let's work together from the many different battle fronts. All of us soldiers are needed to win this war. That means ALL OF US.

[Straight Shooter]

4. I don't think it was chess, sorry. I think it was checkers.

"King me" yelled bush. Kerry obliged.

[Botany]

5. I wish it was true.

But if he and all the Senators would have stood as one the media
would have to pay attention to the fraud story.

Maybe I am wrong but he has me feeling like shit for working for him.

[FreepFryer]

6. No. It was that funky Spock chess from Star Trek. I'm 99% kidding.

[Walt Starr]

7. Yep, the chess analogy really worked

He was checkmated yesterday.

[tridim]

12. Actually BushCo knocked over the board long before Nov 2

There are rules to chess, and BushCo made it clear, they don't play by the rules.

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Kerry isn't playing chess.

He quit on November 3rd. I guess he wants to run again in 2008, but I won't make the same mistake twice.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. That's exactly what will happen if Kerry runs again.

[Cheswick2.0]

10. LOL

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Darkhawk32]

11. Sorry, we played the chess game long enough.... Kerry needs to step up...

or step out!

[tandem5]

14. how can he play chess when his king isn't even on the board anymore? nt

[jdog]

15. I gotta ask, what is the point of continuing to think this way? n/t

[YvonneCa]

16. Here's the point...something I posted in another thread today.

YvonneCa (4 posts)
Fri Jan-07-05 06:16 PM
Response to Original message

29. "They hope you will just go away, they are COUNTING on it."



...John Kerry, in email to his supporters.

I understand the frustration behind your decision to take down your yard sign and cover your bumper sticker. After voting for Wesley Clark in the primaries, I worked to support John Kerry in this election as I have never supported a candidate before, because after 2000, I knew the only way I could survive a similar result in 2004 was if I personally had done everything I could to prevent it. So I did. I think John Kerry did, too.
After November 2nd, while trying to understand what happened in this Presidential election, I started doing on-line research. Like many of you, I discovered the facts. I completely believe that Kerry won this election, and his actions from the beginning also show he knows it. I decided that my yard sign would stay until January 6th, when I would understand more about what had happened and could make a better decision about how to proceed. I decided my bumper sticker would stay there forever, because I want the world to know I didn't vote for this administration's planned policies (like changes to Social Security, pre-emptive war, etc.) John Kerry, in my opinion, would be an excellent president.
I watched yesterday's Electoral Vote challenge with great interest. On the positive side, I am thrilled that history was made, and that activists helped to promote that. While I was disappointed that Congressional Democrats did not vote for the challenge, I was, and am, so proud that they spoke in support of Election Reform, which should have happened after the 2000 Election. I am especially proud of Senator Barbara Boxer (from my home state of California) for being the senator to sign the challenge. Just the fact that there WAS a signed challenge this time, is a step toward the goal of fixing elections before 2008. On the negative side, we were mocked by Congressional Republicans...by both their words and actions. They don't want election reform, and I could see in their faces that they viewed this challenge as an annoyance and a joke. So the down side, for me, is I finally understand how hard this is going to be. I think John Kerry knew this from the beginning.
In John Kerry's email (way back in November) to his 3,000,000,000 on line supporters he included a videotape with the words, "They hope you will just go away...they are counting on it." When I first listened to his words, they seemed very "out-of-context" to me. I've listened to them several times since, and they fit the context of January, 2005 perfectly. While it was very disappointing to me that he seemed to be looking beyond Election 2004 and telling us (his base)what he wants us to do, after yesterday, I now see that he is right. We Democrats, liberal or moderate, are TOTALLY out of power. We have little say in Congress or in the courts, and no say in the executive branch. The only way we will be able to accomplish anything within this government, especially considering we have a broken election system, is if we do not just go away like the Republicans are counting on us to do. John Kerry said we must "stand firm" and he is right. In his most recent email to supporters (the one where he asked us to call Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Frist and then LET HIM KNOW WHEN WE HAD DONE SO :) ) Kerry has begun the fight. If we, his on line supporters, go away, Congressional Democrats will have even less success in this fight. I believe we must stay engaged and support John Kerry and Democrats (who spoke so eloquently yesterday) in their efforts.
I don't know who I'll vote for in 2008. I still think Wesley Clark is great. I like John Edwards' enthusiasm. If Al Gore ran again, I've always thought he would make a great president. Maybe John Kerry, with our support will yet surprise us all (I REALLY hope so!). But I do know I'll never vote for a Republican, and I do know I want my vote counted this time. I think Kerry IS still fighting for us and there IS something to hang on to. So no matter who I decide on for 2008, Kerry has my support until this election reform fight is won!



:)

[Botany]

17. Sorry

but Kerry should have been in D.C. yesterday. End of Story. With him there
the Conyers report would have gotten some media run and the repugs would
have to defend the indefensible. Sorry I do not buy into the Kerry working undercover
story anymore. The longer it goes the more bush will be seen as the legit winner.
And he was not.

No retreat ....... no surrender ....... flip flop!

[Snivi Yllom]

18. Politics is like checkers not chess

It's not about the overall plan. It's the relentless methodical repition. The quality of the message is irrelevant.

can't remember where I saw that

[Greybnk48]

19. I agree with Shraby

I think that Kerry is going to shadow these crooks and expose them. I also think Clark is working toward the same end. I am amazed that people here actually believe that someone like Kerry is going to roll over and play dead. Theresa would divorce him!! If she was pissed off enough to change parties because of what was done to Cleland, think of what she is saying privately about what they did to her husband. I don't think that this is as over as many here would like us to think.

[Darkhawk32]

21. At this point, Kerry has to prove he's fighting.... there's a time for...

nuance and then there's a time for smashmouth.

[bunny planet]

43. yes there is, just not according to your timetable.

[Pithy Cherub]

20. Kerry didn't understand.

This was Wizard's Chess. Once your done, you are done...

[shraby]

22. Kerry's Vietnam protest,

his work on bringing down the corrupt BCCI and Iran/Contra leads me to believe he knows exactly what he is up against. The same party was involved in all three instances, as well as the same people. He can't go smash-mouth against them, they've created a machine that has taken over the whole country. It takes strategic moves to nail them because they have the media which they didn't have before.

[Pithy Cherub]

28. Your thoughtfulness in appreciating Kerry's attributes

is well appreciated, actually admired! The compelling circumstances you named were because he did play 'smashmouth' and he became a hero due to it. To remain with that hero status you must continue as you have begun because it was deemed authentic. To capitulate so easily has harmed that which you glowingly describe. He is in need of another circumstance to rehabilitate that image for some. For me, it is to greet a new set of circumstances.

Homage is paid to what he has done - but respectfully, for myself, I need someone who will go down with the ship fighting for what is right - now! Wizard Chess at its finest. :hug:

[KerryDownUnder]

23. Sorry, but Kerry tipped his king on Nov. 3

People keep talking about Kerry orchestrating some mysterious "plan" but, if one exists, it so far has been about as effective as his campaign. I wish that weren't the case but after hearing Democrats talk about how Kerry had 2,000 lawyers and would know if there was a problem and listening to senators talk about how Bush won the election I have no faith in the guy anymore.

And please look at the bright side before you get upset with me: At least I didn't start a new thread to talk about Kerry tipping his king! :)

[txindy]

24. Great post! I'm with you.

:toast:

[shraby]

27. Thanks txindy. I appreciate the support

and I'm sure Kerry does too.

[LittleClarkie]

25. I don't care what game he's playing

He's still a player, and I've only begun to fight. I will not shoot myself in the foot by tearing down the power players when we need them the most.

If he comes up with good ideas and continues to give us ways to help out, I will be there, helping out.

Meanwhile, I will write LTTE, I will fight for my local candidates, and anything else I can think of to keep the pressure up.

Handwritten letters to Senators and others seems like a good plan. I think the email route has been so used now that I wouldn't doubt if they delete them wholesale.

[Jo March]

35. LittleClarkie, come on over to this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=262387&mesg_id=262387&page=

We need that fighting spirit there. We are getting ideas together for action categories. We want to continue to fight fraud and educate our "leaders", the media and all Americans.

Come on over. Kick off your shoes, stay a while, grab a task. :)

Activism. It's good for the soul.

[Blue_In_AK]

26. Thank you, Shraby

To most of the rest of you, this sniveling has got to stop. Once again, repeat after me, JOHN...KERRY...IS...NOT...THE...ENEMY. :spank:

[confusa]

29. Quoting editorials

I very much agree with what you say about the talking points. They said them loudly and forcefully over and over, but since when does quoting editorials in local papers masquerade as fact?

[mary195149]

30. Don't we need to continue fighting,

we did make progress yesterday. It's not reasonable to think we could turn such corruption around so easily. It will take time and alot of hard work. But we will win if we stick together, and focus on our freedom and not the results of the election. Kerry has always been a fighter. He isn't going to just drop this. He is going to fight. He asked us not to give in. He's counting on us. If he could spell out his game plan, he would. He can't, we know that. So, let's proceed and stay focused. In the meantime, Bushies are doing a great job of having shady news about their administration daily. At least, the media is good for that if nothing else.

[pixelthief]

31. Absolutely

I think this statement from Kerry proves that this is a chess game:

"Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election."

They were looking into Ohio but couldn't get the goods on them in just two months. It could take two years, but Bushco will get nailed.

But just like 1/6, it won't happen without the DU.

The chess analogy is appropriate. People just had the final outcome wrong. It's impeachment, not overturning 2004.

[Mistwell]

32. There is no Kerry option left to win this Presidential Term

I'm sorry, but there is no legal way left for Kerry to win the Presidency for this term. Period. The lawsuits, even if they ended in TOTAL victory for Kerry, would not and can not change the election. An impeachment, even if it ended with Bush resigning or being arrested along with Cheney, would not win Kerry the Presidency for this term. NOTHING can put Kerry in office for this term.

Once the electors were certified, the Constitution of the US REQUIRES that Bush be sworn in for this term. Only an amendment to the US Constitution could change that, and given that it is impossible to amend the Constitution in a matter of 13 days, it is now an IMPOSSIBILITY for Kerry to win for this term.

There is NO move left. None. The battle was clearly lost in the most definitive way possible. Bush *IS* the next President.

The battle for election reform continues. The battle for the White House in 2008 continues. Perhaps the battle for impeachment continues. But the battle for the White House 2004 is over. Stick a fork in it, that turkey is cooked. There are no legal options remaining. None.

And, btw, before a smart ass asks....yes, I *AM* a lawyer.

[corbett]

42. If Bush Is Guilty Of Fraud

I'm not a lawyer but it seems logical to me that if one of pending lawsuits (which include the shrub by name) proves fraud and his involvement, he can't be inaugurated. That's malfeasance! Have I missed something?

[KnowerOfLogic]

33. Bull. Sh*t. "Chess" is another word for political opportunism. nt

[BR_Parkway]

34. From another post that I made, I think the battle has just begun

With a R controlled House, Senate and WH - there was going to be NO debate about this issue, look how the ReThugs shot down the simplest things like trying to get paper on the machines. By standing up yesterday, the Dems took the ONLY shot they had at getting the issue some national attention and public pressure. Kerry entered his statement into the record that HE is going to introduce legislation on election reform - which means that all the pent up "sore loserman" that the ReThugs can come out with is going to finally focus on the ONE issue that will make a difference -

• election reform
  
• end of Sec of States running partisan campaigns
  
• paper to verify the vote
  
• serious reforms to prevent disenfranchisement from continuing to happen
  
  
  Every time any pundit, dittohead or MSM whore mentions this new legislation, they'll have to throw in "Kerry Lost, now he sponsors this" - it's the one way of keeping it on the front page of the news and building public support. And think of what we got on video and the Congressional Record yesterday - the ReThugs think your right to vote is frivolous, a waste of time, beneath our consideration - can't you see it hammered back at them similar to I voted for the 87 billion
  
  Look at the audience we have to convince, most want simple sound bytes. And most don't want to think about the implications of massive election fraud, and the MSM doesn't want it's stock depressed by reporting it. But how many Americans have a computer? How many of them have NEVER had a problem with it? They understand computers screw up constantly - they'll take an easy mental hop to
  how important it is that their vote not be counted on something that screws up so easily. And now with all the ReThugs on record, how can they NOT vote for verifiable paper, in some form or fashion. They can't just say no and everyone in the mainstream ignore it now without asking them why not.
  
  I think that his earlier email asking all of us to sign a bill was a test and he's going to do it again. He wants to put this proposed legislation in front of Congress with a couple million signatures on it from "we the people"
  
  And think about this one simple fact - with a House or Senate hearing, SUBPOENA's are there, they can be used - not blocked by the other side in a lawsuit in front of a potentially partisan Judge. Standing up yesterday was the ONLY way to put the pressure on the Re Thugs to allow hearings, they sure as hell weren't going to go there on their own. And if there is evidence to be found, just like in Watergate, it'll come out then.

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. No offense, but I'm tired of games.

It's time to get off the playground and go back to work.

[Borgnine]

37. I remember this being said since last summer.

Oh, Kerry is simply playing chess. He's sizing his opponent up. He's going to make his move when the time is right. He's a strong closer. Blah blah blah.

Chess? No. I have the feeling that Kerry's been playing Candyland this whole time, stuck firmly in the chocolate swamp.

[Stand and Fight]

38. I hate to say this...

But it is over. Kerry has not and is not playing some magnificent chess game after November 3, 2004. His concession speech was an acknowledgment of being check-mated by Bush. I'm not going to be one of those who attack John Kerry, because I don't know exactly what he knows -- it is entirely possible that he knows more than we do. Nonetheless, he has accepted that he lost his bid for the presidency and is making preparations for the future. We'd do ourselves good to follow his lead in this respect.

I've been silent on this, but it is time for this quagmire to end. Kerry is not playing a game of chess to come riding in on a white horse. Face the hard reality shraby -- we lost to Bush and his election fraud. He will be inaugurated on the 20th of this month, and nothing is going to stop that now. It's time that we concede to reality. Bush won -- not fair and square -- this battle...

We've lost this battle, but the war continues. Senator Boxer and the Representatives she stood with are whom we should lobby and rally behind. We, at least, know that there is some 6% of Congress that listened to our voices. Now we must continue to sound those voices.

There is plenty of work to be done, but holding on to hope despite the reality right in front of you is only serving to hold yourself and everyone else back. We need minds like yours to contribute to fighting Bush and his cronies at every turn -- not exercises in a fantasy world of chess. We need minds like yours to continue to fight the defacing of our way of life and our government.

[Last Lemming]

39. Your not looking at the whole board:

http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2246-AA.shtml

Kerry to Ohio Supreme Court: Check

[corbett]

40. DY-NO-MITE! You Must Be Psychic!

I couldn't be happier to read someone else post an assessment which matches my own. Kerry hasn't lost until the coronation and I firmly believe there's a chance that January 20th won't happen. Kerry will have to act fast but if anyone can pull it off, he can!

KICKING FOR JOHN²!