Where do we go from here? Impeachment

[pixelthief]

Phase II: Impeachment

Yesterday was a signifgant yet measured victory. We have successfully brought the spectre of fraud to the mainstream.

The next phase is building the case for impeachment. It's what the repugs did when clinton was re-elected, and it was incredibly effective in paralyzing the presidency.

It's time for us to roll up our sleeves and do the same. We know there was fraud. Proving it in two months was impossible. Proving it in two years isn't. It's time for a more protracted, detailed investigation.

The struggle has just begun.

[AlbizuX]

1. well..

we could organize like we did for this challenge and demand impeachment.

Problem is 40 of the country doesn't want to impeach (maybe more) and the Republicans won't be pressured until it becomes 60 or more percent of Americans.

Impeachment of Clinton wasn't something America wanted....it occured because of the domination of the Senate and House by Republicans...

In this case, with the opposite being true, we'd need a total popular demand for it.

We don't have that...we dont' have enough people willing to ask for impeachment...lord knows he deserves it.

[Verve]

4. Agree! Best bet is to put Blackwell in jail and then move up the ladder,

eventually leading to the White House.

[keepthemhonest]

62. start small and work are way up eom

[pbartch]

97. start small........are we insinuating that Blackwell has a TEENIE WEINIE??

I BET HE DOES.

[corbett]

81. Right On!

Once incarcerations start happening, we'll see plea bargains cut left and right and the truth will be out in the open. Can't we inaugurate Kerry in the meantime, though?

I'm just askin'?

[Vidar]

101. I think now that Boxer signed with Conyers e al. that the GAO

investigation now has supboena power, but no one has confirmed this as of yet.

[buddysmellgood]

11. I agree. And you need a free press to impeach a president.

[Mistwell]

43. We don't even have the option coming up

My understanding is that the number of contestable house and senate seats over the next 4 years makes it numerically impossible to even possibly get an impeachment without Republicans coming over to vote against the President. Am I wrong in this (I have not done the count myself).

[In Truth We Trust]

109. I believe we have a mojority in favor. Repug power in gov won't let it

happen though obviously.

you say the following: Problem is 40 of the country doesn't want to impeach (maybe more) and the Republicans won't be pressured until it becomes 60 or more percent of Americans.

I believe if you were to look at the popular vote even by their lying so-called results we have at least 48 % in favor of change. Those of us who believe there was a clear case of massive fraWd know then that WE are the MAJORITY.

[ClassWarrior]

2. Yup. Bring it on.

NGU.

[Rebecca]

3. I like this idea!

[Emit]

5. Impeachment? Yes, especially coupled with this news

Memo reveals Bush OKd torture
by Tim Wheeler

WASHINGTON During confirmation hearings on Alberto Gonzales nomination as Attorney General, senators should question him about a recently uncovered memo that George W. Bush ordered the torture of detainees at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and other military prisons around the world, several human rights groups suggested last month.

The groups, who joined in an ACLU Freedom of Information (FOIA) lawsuit, which won release of the memo and other incriminating documents, are describing it as the smoking gun implicating Bush in the torture scandal.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero released the memo Dec. 20 in New York. That document, a December 2003 FBI internal e-mail, suggests that Bush issued a secret Executive Order authorizing the use of extreme coercive measures in interrogation, including sleep deprivation, stress positions, attack dogs, and use of hoods to intimidate prisoners. The Geneva Convention Against Torture bans all of these practices.
<<snip>>

[e-mail]

http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/6260/1/245/

[Goldeneye]

7. Please let the world be watching.

I have a feeling this is something that won't be ignored...esp. since rummy is already set to be tried by German courts.

[nickinSTL]

12. "a recently uncovered memo that George W. Bush ordered the torture of

detainees at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and other military prisons around the world"

That alone should be grounds. Violating the Geneva convention?

Does that count as a 'high crime'?

[joeunderdog]

33. RECALL seems to be in vogue. n/t

[Smoochie]

102. Thanks Emit, I've forwarded this link to several quality UK Newspapers.

I'll dig around now for the lesser quality but scandal-loving press addresses and send it to them too. Impeachment is definitely the way to go, and I think it'll happen in 2005 so long as DU'ers keep the faith and are determined to keep digging up and spreading the news of the facts.

[Patsy Stone]

6. Yes.

That's my plan. :)

NGU

[mikelewis]

8. Impeach him... I agree...

.

[FreepFryer]

9. We will not stop. We will not relent. We will fight, and we will win.

Impeachment case being drawn. Encourage discussion.

Visualize it.

The GOP betrayal of fiscal conservatism will be a weapon.

[Stand and Fight]

16. Fiscal Conservatism.

You hit the nail right on the head. That was one of the main reasons -- along with the witch hunt of Clinton and the take-over by right-wing extremists -- that I left the Republican party.

[pixelthief]

98. kick n/t

[Peace Patriot]

10. I actually think it's possible, but...

A couple of things we have to do first:

Highly focused, grass roots effort, at local, state and county, level to achieve:

a) paper ballots
b) hand counts

or at least

a) a 1st count paper receipt (overrides electronic tally in a recount)
b) open source code

and c) exit polls used to check for fraud (as they do everywhere else in the world)

If we can accomplish this--or get it in many jurisdictions--over a year's time, we can easily take over Congress and impeach. We are the majority!

I would like to see a Peoples Investigation and Indictment re: Election Fraud.

Some think that harping of the Fraud will alienate some support for election reform. I don't think so. The majority (Kerry voters) DON'T KNOW how fraudulent it was, and needed to be informed and energized. That's all we need. But if Peoples Hearings are fair and open, I don't see how they will alienate any fair Republicans. We don't care about the BushCons (except to embarrass them into reform in some cases).

[Peace Patriot]

14. P.S. but...

...I think we might want to avoid combining Election Fraud Peoples Investigation and Indictment, and impeachment issues. The latter could get very partisan. The former is a common ground matter: all should want fair elections.

Not sure about this. I'm in a "take no prisoners" frame of mind. But election reform is a must do. All depends on our recovering our right to vote.

[Jo March]

45. PP, we are getting people together to work on election reform

and getting the word out on fraud. We've over in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=262387&mesg_id=262387&page=

We welcome anyone who wants to continue the fight to make the world aware of election fraud and to make all Americans aware of the need for election reform.

And if someone should happen to get impeached because of our work... :shrug: - well, what are you going to do?

:evilgrin:

[pixelthief]

15. This is it

This IS the people's investigation re: Election Fraud

Welcome!

[Peace Patriot]

26. Pixelthief, I meant a FORMAL investigation...

...hearings all around the country, presentations, testimony--and do media for it, public radio station broadcasts, make a film. We can entertain all points of view and try to come to some consensus on conclusions.

Take everything we know, get it out there as testimony, develop new testimony, voters' stories, other studies we may not know about, put it all together the way a Congr investigation should have done.

[pixelthief]

27. Well said

I like the idea of a film. I'm mulling the idea myself.

[flashsmith]

60. Poor mans election reform

I don't think the Democrats will have much success enacting election reform given that the ruling party likes things just the way they are. I think there are some things, however, the DNC could do to hold their ground and perhaps improve the situation.

1. In the states that the Democrats control, they ought to be fully capable of removing tamper friendly equipment and replacing it with something fully auditable and tamper resistant.

2. Every lost election should be audited no matter how big or small the margin. By this I mean looking at the polling books to see who voted that day and then knocking on doors to see if they indeed voted and if volunteered, how they voted. Then prosecute those responsible when discrepancies are found. This should discourage dead people and people who have moved out of town from voting so much. When election workers realize that their personal freedom is at stake when they give their candidate a little extra help, they might start acting professionally. Remember, Ohio has so many precincts that losing only a few votes per precinct would produce the Bush margin of victory.

3. The DNC needs to develop "Protect your Vote" pamphlets indicating what each voter needs to do to help ensure their vote is counted. There should be a pamphlet for each kind of voting system. For example, for punch card equipment it should say things like:

a. Make sure your ballot hasn't been prepunched.
b. Make sure you vote on the machine for your precinct. Bring your sample ballot with you and make sure it matches the template on the machine.
c. Examine your card and make sure the proper holes have been punched.

The pamphlet should also list a voters rights if things go wrong such as being denied a ballot or what to do if they or the machine screw up.

These pamphlets should be distributed with the usual campaign propaganda and handed out to voters on election day.

4. Candidates now need to take responsibility for ensuring a fair vote and not rely on Election boards to do a competent/honest job. This would include things like insuring enough machines have been allocated to their district, making sure enough paper ballots are available should the machines malfunction or voters start demanding them. They need to have volunteers at every precinct making sure the machines are clearly labeled, and to witness the counting and sealing of the votes. They need to educate the voters about the equipment using the above mentioned equipment and of course, if in doubt, recount.

[fasttense]

99. Wow, you have a plan there flashsmith.

How do I get on board?

[Stand and Fight]

13. Absolutely.

I would suggest that you guys pick up a copy of John Dean's book, Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush. I read it in one day and was stunned that Dean -- a registered Republican and former Nixon White House Counsel -- wrote it. Here's a site where you can read more:
http://www.twbookmark.com/books/15/031600023X/chapter_excerpt18541.html

Anyone serious about impeachment should definitely begin gathering a comprehensive list of crimes of George W. Bush's administration. This book is a very good start to launch one into the ugly underbelly that has once more been elected. Bush and his administration are cancer -- we'd do good to take the cure. Bush, Cheney and the whole bunch should be impeached.

I know some will make the argument that it takes a majority in either the House or Senate... I'd argue that given our recent accomplishments, that we can do this. We can lobby not only our Senators and Representatives, but our fellow Americans!

[Peace Patriot]

20. I think it's impossible with the current Congress, but possible if we...

...can recover our right to vote in time for '06 election.

BushCons in Congress don't think killing over 100,000 innocent people, and torturing prisoners, are war crimes. They can never be convinced. Bush + fraudulent elections = their only power.

[Quakerfriend]

80. Yes, just read this book

and rec'd it far and wide to all the repugs you know! It will turn anyone around who still believes in *co. It helps anyone who reads it to understand all reasons for what they do. My eyes were wide open within the first 2 chapters. Before reading this wonderful book, that I believe hasn't received nearly enough publicity, I really had no idea.

[Stand and Fight]

92. Precisely.

I highly, higly encourage people to pick up this book. It is a real eye-opener - even for those in "the know".

[euler]

17. The only way to impeach a president...

...is to prove he committed a crime. We haven't even proved a crime was committed yet, much less determined who was involved. The evidence will have to be strong: A tape recording or video of Bush ordering fraud is about the only thing I see that could qualify as evidence to bring down the president. This isn't a realistic goal, given our track record.

[ClassWarrior]

19. Sometimes it's worth taking on the battle just to prove you're a fighter.

That's what happened yesterday. For the first time in a long time, Congressional Democrats fought back.

NGU.

[Peace Patriot]

22. Yes, I agree, yesterday was great, all in all...

...but bear in mind that, while some truth was spoken--and that alone is a great accomplishment--the vote to investigate was 1 Senator and 31 House members. The Dem leadership is timid and unimaginative and weak--it's palpable. It's also clear that the BushCons are scared of the Left, paranoid, and full of B.S. (hardly any connection there with reality, except the reality of raw power and thuggery).

I see now way to get current Dem leadership to impeach. We have to replace them. And the ONLY way to do that is to get back our right to vote.

[pixelthief]

24. It's simple, really

I see one incredibly simple way to get the dem leadership to impeach: evidence.

We've turned up mountains of circumstantial and statistical evidence thus far.

A smoking gun will cause many to sit up and take notice. Including senator Kerry. We laid the groundwork for this yesterday.

[fasttense]

100. From what I have seen there is evidence but no one is looking.

No matter what evidence you think you need or get, it wont matter if no one is looking. Right now I see people arguing over evidence that clearly shows illegal activity but no one wants to admit it is evidence. There is clear evidence of Blackwell doing illegal activities. There is clear evidence that the election was manipulated and rigged. Yet no one is investigating and congress is ignoring the problem (except for a few fighters). You can bring mountains of evidence but the MSM, Repugs and majority of Americans aren't looking and don't seem to care. Evidence is not the solution.

[pixelthief]

103. Like I said

we need incontrovertible evidence.

[ClassWarrior]

30. I know the facts. You don't need to educate me. Nonetheless, IT WAS...

...A VICTORY. The only thing in question was its magnitude.

And they only way to change what's troubling you is BY GETTING INVOLVED YOURSELF. Join your county party TODAY. BE the change you want to see.

NGU.

[LoZoccolo]

32. No it isn't, what are you talking about?

Do you remember the Clinton impeachment? How many guys got voted out because of that and how Clinton's approval shot up?

[pixelthief]

48. Completely differenet circumstances

That was a blowjob.

[LoZoccolo]

53. Your argument was that we should fight DESPITE...

...not having clear evidence of him committing a crime, just to show that we can. That is very similiar what the Republicans did. Worse, actually.

[pixelthief]

63. Get your eyes checked

I never said that. I said we should amp up our investigations with the aim of impeachment.

The repubs went after Clinton's private life, which is where they really sank to a new low. Their playing fast and loose with the "evidence" only added insult to injury. I'm not advocating either.

[LoZoccolo]

76. I'm sorry, I thought you were ClassWarrior. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

79. And we already have what some are calling "clear evidence"...

...even if it's not "overwhelming evidence." It's enough to force a fight for WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS RIGHT.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

74. You're playing to the swing voters. Don't forget...

...the Radical RW became the powerhouse they are because they play to their base. Even Lakoff says the way you attract folks is by STICKING HARD to your core principles - i.e., acting on behalf of your base. Then the marginals know you stand for SOMETHING - and something a lot more important than hummers from chubby girls.

NGU.

[LoZoccolo]

75. I don't completely think so.

I think they become the powerhouse by expanding their base. They've built up a big message machine and several organizations to coordinate their agenda, and they've managed to get a lot of white working-class people on their side that probably would have been Democrats years ago. I understand what you're saying, and agree that would be part of a good strategy, but if you simply stick to principals without some way of getting more people to understand or adopt them without them getting mangled up by the other side, you have something like the Green Party.

[pixelthief]

77. yes,

but I think he was saying that they expanded their base due to the attraction of swing voters to a party with core principals and identity.

Cause y effect.

[ClassWarrior]

78. EXACTLY.

You expand your base by BEING ABOUT something. Even if that means making a totally futile - but deliciously symbolic - gesture based on that something. Sure, the Radical RW lost seats during the attempted coup on the Clinton WH, and Clinton scored approval points - but it was one step backward for their seat count, and two giant steps forward for their image as "values warriors." <puke>

NGU.

[pixelthief]

21. WTF?

Our track record? Excuse me, but we made 1/6 happen!

It would take far less than a videotape to bring down bushco.

Not to mention that impeachment is by no means confined to the Election Fraud issue. There is lots more to work with.

This defeatist crap is sickening.

[FreepFryer]

25. Agreed. Thankfully, most Democrats don't feel that way. Despite the posts.

[Peace Patriot]

23. Euler, you are confusing the two matters...

...the Election Fraud investigation would be to inform people, do a peoples indictment of whoever we can nail, and get Kerry voters energized to do force election reform.

Impeachment would be on other matters--war crimes, violations of Consitution and treaties, etc.

[Stand and Fight]

38. Bingo!

You've got it right again Peace Patriot! There is an alarming amount of puss under the scab that is the Bush II Administration. Those facts are established in literally hours of public speeches from Georgie boy, statements from Cheney, Powell, Rice, etc...

[RevCheesehead]

71. I think I could have lived without that mental image, thank you.

TOTALLY agree with the sentiments. It's just - eeeeew (or as we say here, "ish").

[Stand and Fight]

93. LOL... Sorry.

But it is the truth, Rev.
They're a nasty bunch of bastards.

[Stand and Fight]

34. Maybe you should do some research.

You're assuming that when people talk about crime that they mean the latest election. There is plenty of evidence out there on video tape of Bush saying one thing when evidence will show that he was lying. The impeachment of Bush and his administration won't have much, if anything, to do with this past election. It will be based on his actions after September 11, 2001. Do some research and you'll be surprised to find out the many impeachable offenses that Bush and his administration have committed right before your very eyes.

:eyes:

[Bill Bored]

18. First, Please see this thread.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x264034>

[jsw_81]

28. Dream on

The Republicans have a solid grip on both houses of Congress; impeachment is unlikely in the extreme.

We Dems need to focus on *realistic* goals (e.g., re-building our party so we can win the presidency in '08) and forget about nonsensical pipe dreams like impeachment and, until yesterday, a Kerry administration.

[pixelthief]

29. Do your homework

On September 11, 1998 the House of Representatives approved House Resolution 525 by a vote of 363 to 63 authorizing a review by the Committee on the Judiciary of the report of the Independent Counsel to determine whether sufficient grounds existed to recommend to the House that an impeachment inquiry be commenced and also approved the public release of the Starr report.

Naysayers like yourself should really learn to do your homework. I guess there were only 63 dems in the house in 1998?

[pixelthief]

31. more

"The Senate voted on the Articles of Impeachment on February 12, with a two-thirds majority, or 67 Senators, required to convict. On Article I, that charged that the President "...willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury" and made "...corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence" in the Paula Jones lawsuit, the President was found not guilty with 45 Senators voting for the President's removal from office and 55 against. Ten Republicans split with their colleagues to vote for acquittal; all 45 Democrats voted to acquit."

If the evidence is compelling enough, moderate republicans will break ranks.

[Stand and Fight]

35. Congratulations...

I see that you have been doing a bit of research into the subject of impeachment. I'd encourage you to dig deeper into the Bush administration's specific impeachable offenses.
:hi:

[pixelthief]

44. I will.

We all should. I believe that DU should throw a lot of weight behind this. That's what I'm advocating here.

Even if it fails, it's the only way we're going to wedge Bushco's horrible misdeeds into the minds of the average citizen. It's our only shot at building a case against the neocons.

1/6 only further demonstrated that the corporate media will stop at nothing to protect the administration.

DU is the only organization up to the task.

[DearAbby]

36. Impeachment?

We have to get rid of the machines, we will never get enough in the house or senate to even bring up the issue. Unless the Fraud can lead to the White House and it is Iron clad.

[pixelthief]

39. bullshit n/t

[Stand and Fight]

40. Abby...

Impeachment would not be centered on, nor even involve, supposed election fraud. There is plenty to get Bush and his cronies on besides election day fraud.

1. Valerie Plame-Wilson
2. Deceiving the American people (including the Congress) into going into the war in Iraq.
3. Deceiving the American people that there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaida.
4. Lying about Iraq trying to acquire uranium in Africa.
5. Ignoring the Geneva Conventions.
6. The detainment of Americans as terrorist in violation of the U.S. Constitution...

This is just the short list -- trust me, there is plenty more to go on. Do some research, you'll be surprised at all that you discover.

[pixelthief]

52. Great list

Valerie Plame-Wilson has great potential. And let us not forget the possiblity of some 9/11 lie being exposed. I'm no conspiracy theorist but something is afoul with the official version of events.

Then there is Rumsfeld's recent slip of the tongue:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

How would the nation react to knowing that Cheney ordered flight 93 shot down while operating on authority that is shaky at best? How will they react to finding that "let's roll" was a cover story, or, worst yet, that they shot the plane down after the hostages regained control? How will they reconcile such a lie?

I don't have the answers. I'm just sayin'.

[Stand and Fight]

58. 9/11 is interesting...

I would not consider it ample grounds for impeachment proceedings unless something more concrete emerged. No offense, but what you just said does come off -- forgive my use of the negative connotation -- "conspiracy theory." I just would not put that on the list until there are certainties. It would serve to injure the cause and inflame a lot of emotions. It is a very controversial subject, and we cannot amble into that without solid evidence. Speculation in that realm is extraordinarily dangerous and would cause another blackout as we've recently experienced. I fully advocate pursuing impeachment on the grounds I listed above, and the database I am currently compiling.

[pixelthief]

67. yeah

I'm definitely not saying it's ample grounds for impeachment as of yet. But the truth has a way of coming out. For the record, I remain unconvinced of an official cover up of 9/11 at this time.

I'm no conspiracy theorist. But reading about Rumsfeld's slip o the tongue brought back memories of the days immediately after 9/11. I always had a strong sense that flight 93 was shot down. But I hadn't thought about it in years.

I researched it a bit, and was suprised to find that there is substantial evidence to support this theory.

I'm definitely not advocating putting this on our "list". Just mentioning it as a possible epiphany to Americans in the near future.

Under the right circumstances, I would not have held the downing of an airliner that posed a threat against the administration. But if they did, in fact, cover this up, then it's suggestive of wrongdoing. My guess is that Cheney may have ordered this though he had no authority to do so.

Who knows.

[corbett]

83. He's Named In Federal Lawsuit Over 9/11

Soon we'll be hearing about the 9/11 widow who sued Bushco for 9/11. It's pending in federal court!

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/21/1450247

[RevCheesehead]

72. I agree. Let's save Election Fraud for Rove...

...and present him with a long prison sentence.

[allthatjazz]

37. I completely agree

We need to keep up the investigation and spreading the word about the fraud that occurred on Nov 2. We can't let them pacify us by saying there will be work on election reform by 2008. It was said in 2000 and it just got worst by 2004. The criminals need to be exposed - we can't give up.

[Stand and Fight]

41. Sigh...

The exposing of the election day fraud is a separate and protracted issue. See my posts above, please.

:hi: Welcome to DU by the way!!

[joevoter]

42. Letters to the editor of local papers Now while people are

Listening.

[pixelthief]

46. Absolutely.

Time to refocus and redouble our efforts. Organize and agitate!

[HEAVYHEART]

47. Sounds good to me

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. Yes! n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

50. An impeachment is impossible without one of two things, but

more likely two of two things.

1. A Democratic majority in the Senate.

2. Compelling evidence implicating President Bush in a crime.

We need to present a full court press for investigations, get a new election system prior to 2006 and gain a majority of the senate in the mid-term elections. We have ALOT of work ahead of us.

[Stand and Fight]

54. Once more...

I am in total agreement with you. I PM'd you.

[pixelthief]

56. Well said n/t

[FreepFryer]

51. Remember a CRUCIAL GOP framing, that we can co-opt for good...

Faith-Based Politics

...start out with an unrealistic goal and stick to the language till it becomes real. It doesn't matter if your attacks will reach your ultimate goal. Keep paying, keep praying. It's a direct investment (can you say 'tax cut'?) in your own well-being!

We can apply the same thinking to our efforts to undo some of our country's current dilemma.

Was Ken Starr appointed to find WhiteWater? Yes. Did he provide evidence to impeach based on personal sexual details instead? Heck yeah! Check out page 137!.

We can do the same to an overwhelmingly greater amount, without lying or violating civil rights, because our foe's action whilst bearing the reins of empire are so much more horrible than any weak portrayal they would give your average 'liberal'. We can make issues stick. Election Protection, War, Terror, Foreign Policy, Domestic Policy, Environmental Policy... on and on.

How many times over these past 4 years have you thought:
"Oh man, I can't believe they're doing this! They can't possibly think they'll get away with it!"

Each one is an opportunity to reframe.

We can do it by helping Democrats, by pushing that political envelope, by engaging in conversations, by opening eyes, by running for school board, by forwarding links, by collecting email lists and media blasters, by contributing here, by backing each other up, by expressing differing views with respect, by tolerating differences of opinion, by fostering bipartisan issues while attacking partisan ones... and by maintaining an approach to learning... and listening... and in direct financial efforts to help organizations and individuals with which we agree.

No one here (including me) would dictate which ones you get involved with, but I recommend the ACLU ( http://aclu.org ).

<edit: typo>

[pixelthief]

55. brilliant n/t

[mother earth]

57. What makes you think he will be impeached?

There are no longer checks and balances in the House/Senate. We are the minority. It seems to me he qualified for impeachment last term, when does that go forward, when Jeb is president? Cuz you know he's next....they've got to be held accountable. I just cannot even fathom how he still has followers? Its cult-like.

[Stand and Fight]

59. Amen to that.

But do not fail to forget that there is the 2006 elections, more time for them to screw up in Iraq in the interim, and a virtual cornucopia of reasons that can easily be termed, "high crimes and misdemeanors." Get the book, Worse than Watergate.

[pixelthief]

61. Yes

it is also my opinion that he qualified for impeachment in his first term. But so many implications of his misdeeds during that first term are just now being borne out. Not only can we build stronger cases now but we can also begin to show demonstrable effects of these crimes (think Iraq, for example).

Of course we won't be impeaching W if Jeb is the current president. If you're convinced that Jeb will be next then perhaps you should be focusing on a pre-emptive smear campaign against him.

The gloves are off. Some of us gotta think like Rove at times.

[ihelpu2see]

64. OT Pixelthief where can I get a Darwin Fish for my car?

thanks :D

[pixelthief]

69. dunno

I live in Alabama. I could never have one. The repukes would rip em off faster than I could reapply them.

I had an acquintance in the Alabama Democratic party who caught two old ladies ripping the John Kerry sticker off his truck window. He scolded them and let them go. Had it been me, I would have called the fuzz and pressed charges. Seriously. And I'd still be chuckling about it now.

Just the kinda guy I am.

[troubleinwinter]

106. Here ya go!

http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html#23

[keepthemhonest]

65. I like the idea

I guess I will be fighting two fronts

1 election reform
2 impeachment(I agree with above poster about too many repukes for this really to work)

[mod mom]

68. don't forget media reform.

we have to get our story out and demand truth in broadcasting.

[pixelthief]

70. Yes

there is a signifigant amount being done here. I suggest you get involved with the good folks over at stopsinclair.org or one of the other fine anti-sinclair groups. We need to make an example of them.

I worked at a sinclair-owned television station for 2+ years. I can attest that this an extremely important front in our battle.

[keepthemhonest]

87. yes mod mom I agree

Lot's of work to be done.we must get organized for this to work.
The christian coalitionis a very organized system,we need to be stronger than them and be a force to be recogned with.

[mod mom]

94. we have free thinking brains on our side, anyone that falls for that

neocon BS has serious issues with cognitive reasoning.

[Stand and Fight]

66. Gotta do this...

:kick:

[FreepFryer]

73. 'Orange Jumpsuits for the PNAC' :)

[Blue Diadem]

82. I have been waiting for this thread..

Yes! So how do we do it? What can we do? Let's get moving!

[pixelthief]

84. For starters

I suggest a highly centralized and coordinated investigative research effort.

Maybe focus a degree of effort on the Valerie Plame-Wilson case. Press, blogs, protests, the works. We need to help ressurect the story. Research needed. With its national security implications, this story will resonate. It even has spies. Someone under Bush will likely end up a scapegoat, but I think it's a major stain on Bushco either way. Many implications. Plus, Novak stands to eat shit from it.

For starters.

[pixelthief]

85. Novak

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/guests/s_288432.html

[Blue Diadem]

88. Can this

lead directly back to Bush? I think that there are so many things but there are so many people that can take the fall for it. I don't know that much about the Valerie Plame-Wilson case other than what I have heard on the news. But something has to come out of it. I agree with you.

[pixelthief]

89. Maybe

Like I said, someone under Bush will likely end up as the scapegoat. But I think that even if this happens, if we are able to inject the possibility that this was done out of spite on bush's behalf, it will be an effective victory. A building block in another case, at the very least.

If only we could bring a blanket case forward on the grounds of gross misconduct and undue secrecy and deception. The exhibit #s would be ten digits long.

[EFerrari]

86. Me, too. They're sitting on 37 scandals. Let's help them out. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

90. We Need a Special Prosecutor to get the evidence and make people

talk in order to get the real facts that will lead to convictions. However, in order to force the White House to appoint a special prosecutor private citizens, independent journalists, civil plaintiffs, Conyers and the GAO need to continue to rake up as much muck as they can, plaster it all across the internet and evertime new dirty is found, a chorus of letters and emails needs to be sent to the MSM and politicians saying "GOP Elected Officials and AGs can not investigate Blackwell, we need a Special Prosecutor".

It took a while with Watergate, and Nixon actually fired the first one (big mistake), but it is possible to light a fire so hot under the parties involved that a nice quiet Special Prosecutor investigation looks preferable in comparison.

[Stand and Fight]

91. Kicking it...

:kick:

[marcologico]

95. HAMMER THAT LITTLE PRICK UNTIL HE'S FLAT

Start with Abu Ghraib and work down. The papers will jump in once we get the mo and the NeoCons will flee like rats. Election tampering will be the coup de grace. Kerry will have to lead the charge. At least it's a game he's played before.

[Karenca]

96. If you're seriously considering impeachment, may I suggest you start here:

http://votetoimpeach.org/

George W. Bush Must Answer to the People

- adapted from Ramsey Clark's address to the half a million demonstrators at the January 18th National March on Washington to Stop the War on Iraq organized by International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism).

The U.S. Constitution provides the means for preventing George W. Bush from engaging in a war of aggression against Iraq, and from advancing a first strike potentially nuclear preemptive war. It's called impeachment --------

[earth mom]

107. That site is "temporarily unavailable"...!?! n/t

[Karenca]

108. Here..Use this link.........

http://votetoimpeach.org/

[bunny planet]

104. Yes, take down Blackwell and the house of cards will fall.

Also start putting some heat on newspapers to cover the myriad of scandals that are still out there waiting to bring these folks down. They have got way too many balls in the air. Pretty soon keeping the lid on all those cover-ups will be like squeezing jello in their fists. Until then we have to continue being our own media. It can be done, as we've seen.

[Democrat Dragon]

105. Eight not-so-easy steps for impeachment:

1. Find every DLC plant
2. Extradite evey DLC plant
3. That International news thingy should help spread proggresive news
4. Fix the fraudelent election system
6. Use #3 and #4 to gain at least a legislataive majority
7. Impeach everyone down the succesion ladder down to Noman Mineta, again use #3 for support
8. Recall intiative?