I still support Kerry. I admire the man...

[RaulVB]

And I'm not going to change what I said before, either.

I just regret the fact that he plays every bit of the "cartoonish" presentation that the Swift Boat Crooks laid out for him...

You had it John, you won the election and many had your back...

Sorry "your people" lead you to believe otherwise.

[marc_the_dem]

1. here, here....

[txindy]

2. Many still have his back

Like us. ;)

Never give up.

[HEAVYHEART]

3. Agreed

[Vektor]

29. Beautiful *swoon*

That is some GORGEOUS dental work!
:7

[JoanneNH]

40. Now THAT picture motivated me to post again!!!

I still support Senator Kerry also. Although I'm not walking around crying all the time, I'm still mourning the loss of a fabulous president for our country. No one will ever convince me that the Kerry/Edwards ticket didn't win.

[SharonRB]

42. Great picture! n/t

[A Brand New World]

4. Yes, I still greatly admire "President" Kerry. I truly believe he should

be the one inaugurated on the 20th. I miss seeing him on the news everyday. He is an American hero as far as I'm concerned.

[Lord_StarFyre]

5. I'm Sorry, but...

...After that "letter" he sent out on 1/5/2004, and I hate to say this, but he lost my support.

I'm really starting to believe his candidacy was not much more than a ruse to help a fellow bonesman keep his job.

Does it bother me to feel this way?

You bet it does!

I honestly feel betrayed by his action, or more aptly put, his inaction. Where was the fight he PROMISED? How many stones did he leave unturned? And when the chips were down, did he stand and fight? No, he took off to go do a Senatorial Photo Op! The very least he could have done was to show up yesterday and at least pretend he gave a flying fuck about what was about to happen to this country, and us, under the control of the un-elected fraud.

He will not have my support, or vote if he runs again.

I'm truly sorry, but that letter turned my admiration of the man, into shame and contempt.

It's going to take a lot for him to redeem himself in my eyes.

[RaulVB]

7. Understandable...

As I said, he plays every bit of the "cartoon" the media has made of him...

[DearAbby]

6. He would have made a Fine President, and I too still admire the man

I have hopes that he, having us behind him, can get work done that needs addressed in the Senate. And I will, anytime he asks, have his back.

I am sure that in order to introduce legislature in the Senate, he will need our voices. I am sure that he will ask for it. Be on the ready.

[BR_Parkway]

8. And it really is the only thing that he could have done that would

make a difference if we look at it realistically

Check out my response earlier:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=264053&mesg_id=265021&page=

[RaulVB]

9. "Realistically"...

I would say to that:

"Let's be realistic...let's ask for the impossible!"

* Paris, 1968...John Kerry used to think that way.

[BR_Parkway]

10. So what do you think he should have done and what results would

have been achieved?

[RaulVB]

11. Blast the media for their unfair treatment...

After the fraud, simple, be "Yuschenko."

He wasn't that leader because he believed on "his people."

Results?

Respectability, at least.

[BR_Parkway]

14. Well, with the NONE coverage that we got yesterday about a historic

event, we have better grounds to show others that the media isn't reporting what's happening (and it isn't Liberal bias either).

I have to say that the grassroots effort seems a better way to get results, if it had been the leaders, they would have been shot down, ridiculed and Hannitized to death - no one would have heard the message for all the RW noise machine chewing up the messengers. We saw it how many times during the first administration whenever someone would come out with info critical of ShrubCo? The only way to make it work was to let the people convince the people, instead of letting the Wingers tell the people what they are supposed to think about an issue or the person with the message.

And if he had been in town, they'd have trashed him for 1) not voting 2) not going to the vote 3) not making a statement in support of Boxer 4) not making a statement decrying Boxer - there was NO place he could have been in DC yesterday that would have not have been an overshadow of the real problem. I think he handled it right and he certainly still has my respect.

[RaulVB]

19. "Hannitized"...

That happens only if you let morons like Hannity manage the public discourse.

Right there you see the biggest failure of Kerry's campaign "team."

[LittleClarkie]

21. He was trashed for not being around for the Gonzalez hearings either

but that hasn't arrived at the Senate as a whole, and he's not part of the Judiciary Committee, he's part of the Foreign Relations Comittee, right?

So to me, he's right where he needs to be.

[rox63]

20. Ukraine rebellion

The Ukraine rebellion was people-powered. It happened because thousands of people took to the streets demanding their rights. It should have happened here too. But it didn't. The MSM made sure almost no one even knew about the election problems. We not only have to take back the government, we have to take back the media.

[LittleClarkie]

27. People here said that we could have had a Ukraine, but they waited

for it to be Kerry-powered.

Waiting for others to initiate your activism doesn't make you much of an activist.

Bless him, Kerry's to obsessive/compulsive to leap out without fire to go with the smoke. Listening to Ed Shultz yesterday, I heard a listener say that the smoke proved the fire. But smoke won't hold up in a court of law. We needed proof of the actual, else it was all hearsay. Convincing, but not binding.

And you're right. Considering how many knew of the fraud, our protests would have been a shadow of the Ukraine's. Plus can you picture your average puny American standing and camping in sub-zero temperatures for Democracy. Democracy, like religion, means more to a people when they've been deprived of it.

More Americans will have to wake up before we'd get that kind of a reaction.

[Lord_StarFyre]

13. What he should have done?

...ah, let's see...

Well, maybe showing up, and simply pretending that he knew he and the rest of us have been screwed by the most corrupt administration in the history of this country would have been a nice start.

[LittleClarkie]

36. He wouldn't have been involved in the investigation in Ohio if he hadn't

had a clue. There wasn't enough hard evidence.

And those lawsuits are still pending. He wasn't absent. Just not present in the exact way you wanted him to be.

[mdb]

18. Do you remember how fast the courts worked in Florida in 2000?

This could have happened this year as well, and is one reason Kerry put in a motion in Ohio. For pull. The third party did not have what Kerry could have given.

[GetTheRightVote]

12. You have got to be kidding, support a man who dumped you

Do you like the abuse or what ??

The man dumped on all of us on Nov 3 and we just did not what to accept it, well I think you better start accepting the reality of being dumped just like you would if the guy who asked you out on a date did not arrived at your door at the date and time of it.

When we finally accept this reality then we will be able to move forward with some real results from real leaders. Do you have to get hit over the head with a 2 X 4 before you realize you have been sent out on a sinking ship ?? Please people we need to move on away from political leaders who do not support us when we need them most because that only what to keep their jobs.

Even the great state of Mass. no longer wishes to keep Sen. Kerry so I have heard from the few citizen whom I met at the rally in DC yesterday. Give it up or we are all doomed to repeat this recent history forever..... we need to move on away from this tainted party which is aligning itself or sub-letting itself to the Republican party, they are traitors to the Democrat voting public party members except for the few that stood with us yesterday the remaining members suck to the mountain tops.

We need to divorce them and maybe then they will learn the error of their non-supportive ways otherwise they never will learn or change for attitudes towards us, we will contine to be their adoring public on whom they can pour abuse, just think about it before this continues for the reminder of our voting lives.

[RaulVB]

17. Well...

I will not consider him or any of his future "presidential aspirations."

I still respect the man...

[Vektor]

28. Unless Raul was sleeping with the man,

...and he ran off with someone else, Kerry did not DUMP him.

Kerry made a decision likely based on information NONE of us are privy to. It is childish for one to whine and complain and trash the man for not catering to their every whim and desire. So many want him to "stand up and fight" because that's what THEY WANT. They hate Bush and they want Kerry to be an army of one, dragging Shrub kicking and screaming from the White House singlehandedly.

Well, it's not realistic.

If Kerry making a decision without consulting someone makes them feel "abused" they have deeper issues that have nothing to do with the election.

Kerry can't make you happy, only you can. It's not his job, it's yours. To blame John Kerry because you are not happy with the state of the world, (which by the way, is due to a system that is corrupt and broken from the bottom up, not one man's actions) is a waste of energy, and a total misdirection of anger.

[RaulVB]

31. Errr...I wasn't...

:silly:

[Vektor]

38. HAHAHA! Ok then...

Though if that's what I needed to do to show my patriotism...
HAHA
Ok, kidding. :-)

[madison2000]

15. I still support him, admire him, and wish he were the president

All the gripes people here have against him don't add up to much at all when you compare him to the dangerously stupid and ill-willed man who has been in office the last 4 years and who will be inaugurated Jan.20.
He is infinitely more qualified to be president, and the stolen election is our loss, America's loss, and the world's loss.

[drummer55]

16. Ring Ring.......Reality Calling....

"John Kerry and I have made a promise to the American people that with this election every vote would count and every vote would be counted. Tonight we are keeping our word and we will fight for every vote," Kerry's running mate John Edwards said in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Yet the Kerry concession at around 11 a.m. EST suggested that the Democrats did not believe they had sufficient votes to make a difference in the overall result."


This means Kerry cared about who won and who lost. He did NOT care about the voter. You gentle reader...its all about you. John Kerry did not care about you, me or the disenfranchized. He would only care if it made a difference in the over all result.

Wake up and come to reality. Our so called "leaders" do not truly care about us because they feel they are above us, above our concerns and above our anger. We need to bring ALL of our elected officials back under the peoples power. We continue to consent to be governed without truly stepping forward and demanding true representation and responsibility from them.

[Vektor]

23. The real reality is, it seems...

...you think it's all about you. Like you cannot allow the man an ounce of respect for all he has accomplished in life, because he didn't do what you wanted him to do on Nov. 3? NONE of us know all he reasons behind his course of action, nor do we know what he likely knows about the legalities of the situation - (this is his profession after all.)

The REALITY is, this election situation, which we have NOT yet seen the end of, is one minute incident in a very long life of public service.

[marcologico]

24. He counted the votes, they weren't there. Were they stolen? Yes. But

they weren't there and you can't claim victory after losing popular and electoral majorities.

Kerry is fighting a CIA president and a totally corrupt admninstration backed by corrupt courts and a compliant media. Does he have to fight us too?

[Lord_StarFyre]

26. NO

But howzabout he stands up, his nuts in his hand, and saying EXACTLY what you said?

[marcologico]

32. He said the first part. He can't say the 2nd part because of the 3rd part.

n/t

[mousie]

34. NOPE

His concession was because he did not feel there was any way to win, not enough votes to change things... not because he didn't care about people's votes. He had his lawyers in there on this issue, and he joined with the Green Party in the fight as more fraud evidence came to light later. He is STILL fighting on this issue and we will be hearing more from him. The whole thing, which he clearly said, was because there was nothing that would have been enough to change the outcome, but he did (and will continue to) fight for the people's rights to a fair vote process.

After hearing Barbara Boxer late last night on the repeat show (she was GREAT), it seemed clear that it was understood by all there that no matter what, repubs would have voted to keep Bush in the whitehouse anyway. They knew the election was over in that regard. But the investigations will continue, and now... help IS on the way. It's GREAT that so many senators took a stand and spoke out strongly on this issue... but they just knew, unfortunately, that this would not remove bush at this point no matter what they did there.

[Vektor]

22. Delete-duplicate.

[Vektor]

25. Abso-friggin-lutely correct!

[pick_a_dilly]

30. Kerry ... who??? Senator WHO???? never heard of him... n/t

;-(

[LittleClarkie]

35. I think I saw you on "50 First Dates"

You were the blond, weren't you.

[Cherie59]

33. me too!

[corbett]

37. Today Ain't The 20th!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/01/06/MNG2VALREG1.DTL

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

39. He'll Make A Good Senator

Probably has a deal with the other side to leave him alone, assuring himself of continuing his senate career. If he does run for presidency in '08, it would only be to raise....i.e. take....money from his supporters. The chance he'll make it past the primaries is zero, but he knows that, and will just do it for the $$ and publicity. He had his chance, and didn't really want the presidency anyways.

[New Earth]

41. if he wants to maintain any respect or 'integrity' to even TRY for 2008

he better spend the next 4 years 'pounding' at the 'crooked liars' that will be in office again. I personally need to take a break from talking about him, at least for now. I know I don't hate him but I need to put it all in perspective before I go either way.

btw, nice to be back home :hi:

[formernaderite]

43. I actually don't blame him for being out of town so to speak....

...it's not like he got any real support.

[Amigust]

44. Support Rollover Kerry again? Not a chance!l

Count every vote. Bullshit!

I'm sick and tired of Dem politicians' vapid promises. I've heard enough of those from the Usurper and his thugs.

And I'm sick and tired of hearing how great Kerry is when he hasn't demostrated it at this most critical time in our history.

Forget the cloying lipservice. Trust the action.

(edited for grammar)