Dominionist set to take over DNC Chair, is member of Right-Wing Think Tank

[KingoftheJungle]

If this is true, we are in for a world of hurt. Take action before it is too late, we can still beat this one if we get vocal enough (if we can get a senator to stand against the election, we damn sure can keep this guy out of harm's way).



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http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=14097
Roemer on board of Right Wing think tank
by kos
Fri Jan 7th, 2005 at 09:45:31 PST

Tim Roemer, who is Reid and Pelosi's latest choice for DNC chair, looks worse and worse by the day. See The Forest has the latest dirt:
Tim Roemer is a distinguished scholar at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University and president of the Center for National Policy.
What is the Mercatus Center? Dave Johnson explains in great detail, but in short, it's part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, a Scaife funded right-wing think tank. But it gets worse.
One of the ways the Right "educates" public officials, opinion leaders,etc., is to send them to expensive "retreats" at exclusive resorts, nice hotels, etc. where they are wined and dined and treated to first-class amenities <...> Following is the text of an e-mail Roemer recently sent out to Congressional Chiefs of Staff, inviting them to a retreat:
Subject: 2005 Chief of Staff Retreat

Dear Fellow Democrats,

I would like to encourage you to join me in Philadelphia on February 4th and 5th, 2005 at the Ritz Carlton Hotel for the 2005 Chief of Staff Retreat. This Retreat is probably the best opportunity of the year for gathering with other senior-level
congressional staff both from our party but also with our colleagues across the aisle.

The Retreat is hosted by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. I have been affiliated with this organization for the past two years in an effort to promote sound economic thinking that leads to a more prosperous and fiscally responsible America. The Mercatus Center is a non-profit and non-partisan group that seeks to educate congressional staff about markets, global prosperity for the poor and economics as they relate to the issues you are working on in your congressional or committee office.

This year's program is highly relevant to the issues facing the 109th Congress. We will discuss topics ranging from drug reimportation to Social Security, tax and pension reform, to understanding learning disparities between black and white children. I will be there to discuss national security and intelligence reforms. While we have made important progress in modernizing our intelligence system, there are several important issues confronting congress.

At a time of partisan divide, this is an opportunity to share thoughts and ideas. Any time that you can get away from the Hill to view issues from different angles, you should do it. I look forward to seeing you there.

http://www.kochind.com/newsroom/bio_detail.asp?ID=1

Mr. Koch is a director of Intrust Bank, N.A. His non-business activities include serving as chairman of the Institute for Humane Studies, the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation and the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, on the board of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, and as a member of the Mont Pelerin Society.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Get your facts straight. Roemer's not set to take over anything.

He's one of a handful of candidates for the position. And not a popular candidate, I might add.

NGU.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. But isn't it scary that such a person is even in the running?

Would a moderate Republican even be in the running for such a position in the RNC??
And what would they do to him if they found out he attended a retreat sponsored by Soros?

[Walt Starr]

3. It tells me that the Democratic Party is teetering on the edge

One slipup and it's over.

[BrklynLiberal]

6. Sure scares the crap out of me.

[ClassWarrior]

19. I agree. It is scary. We can do something about it though.

PIN DOWN YOUR STATE DEM PARTY CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND ALL THE DELEGATES IN THE STATE AND GET THIS INFO TO THEM. TELL THEM YOU'RE NOT HAPPY.

Then fill out a membership form, find out when the monthly meetings are being held - AND GET INVOLVED!!! The only reason these slugs are allowed into our party IS BECAUSE WE ALLOW THEM IN BY NOT BEING INVOLVED!!

(And sorry if I was harsh - I know this is important to disseminate. I just don't want it to devolve into another reason to bash our own people.)

NGU.

[righteous1]

40. Yea ,this guy is only one step to the left of Newt Gingerich

[righteous1]

41. Why are they so scared of Dean? He's got the energy, fund raising

prowess, ideas, everything .yet they continually try to push him to the back of the pack. I am getting irritated to say the least

[cyberpj]

52. I'm with you. Dean is the man the public wants! But.......

I'm sure they're afraid of yet another liberal New Englander.

[KingoftheJungle]

7. Not popular with us, but I thought I read somewhere...

that he was getting strong support from certain prominent DLC members (Pelosi and Reid?), and is among those mostly likely to win. I may be wrong, but the fact that he is even being CONSIDERED should raise some protest. All I want out of this post is to expose more dirt on this guy and generate some grassroots backlash against him to help ensure he will never be picked.

[BrklynLiberal]

11. It is certainly worth discussing

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. Even Max Cleland is supporting him

[loudsue]

9. If he's Reid and Pelosi's choice, we need to act on this IMMEDIATELY!!

In case you haven't noticed, they're the Dem party leaders for House and Senate, and their opinions carry a punch.

DUers need to hop on this problem like a chicken on a June bug. We need to call all the Dems, and

1) thank them for supporting Boxer, and
2) tell them NO ROEMER!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[ClassWarrior]

24. At the VERY least, call them or write a letter.

Better yet, infiltrate your county organization.

NGU.

[nashville_brook]

13. phew! glad he's not the front-runner!

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. Not popular? Then why are there so many threads about him on DU?

Someone who is not popular must not have much of a shot at it at all. Right? :shrug:

[seabeyond]

4. other democratic org are emerging, we will kick them to the curb

wont donate, wont particpate and will be the end to them

we the people

[RaulVB]

5. Nobody could seriously be thinking in Roemer...

Without seeing that the guy will not pass any type of test by the guys who give the money, "US."

I'd like to see them trying...

[BrklynLiberal]

8. Why are REid and Pelosi said to be backing him?

[Walt Starr]

10. Because they both said, "I support Roemer for DNC chair"

And that tells me a helluva lot!

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Then it is not such a ridiculous concept...and we should be worried.

[BlackVelvet04]

14. Did I miss something?

Why are you saying he is a Dominionist? Sorry if I'm being dense.

[Walt Starr]

15. Dominionism is the goal of Scaife funded think tanks n/t

[Al-CIAda]

18. "The Rise of Dominionism"

Download audio and video documenting the Rise of Dominionism (no charge, no copyright)
"The Rise of Dominionism"
recorded October 6, 2004, 41 minutes
http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm
The Rise of Dominionism - video of Joan Bokaer describing the rise of Dominionism in the U.S. government. Joan explains how the Religious Right took over the Republican Party, and how President Bush, along with his Religious Right allies in Congress, are attempting to transform the United States into a Christian nation. Even more relevant now, after the 2004 election. 

[BrklynLiberal]

20. The absolutely scariest stuff I have ever read ...REALLY!

Akin to a 21st Century Inquisition!!!

[BrotherBuzz]

21. The Despoiling of America

The Despoiling of America

How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State



By Katherine Yurica

With Editorial and Research Assistant Laurie Hall February 11, 2004


The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America



It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.<1> And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.<2> On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.

Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.

Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.

As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…”<3>

George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:

<more> (a 'must read')

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

[Red State Blues]

47. Hey, wait a second....

All this stuff about Dominionism is great but I KNOW what Dominionism is and I assume BlackVelvet04 does too. Why are we saying ROEMER is a Dominionist?

I'm not saying he's not, I don't know.

If he is, I'm not comfortable with the idea of Democratic Dominionists anyway.

If he's not, this whole topic is crap.

[sophie996]

16. DNC chair

if this guy gets it i'm outta here and going green.

here's a petition you can sign asking for a revitalized democratic party:

http://21stcenturydems.org/index.php?src=forms&id=DNC%20petition

[BrklynLiberal]

23. Done

[shirlden]

25. Done and kicked

Kick

:kick:

[GetTheRightVote]

33. Signed, kicking it

:)

[MelissaB]

35. Done!

[potone]

38. done and kicked!

[newyawker99]

48. Hi potone!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mzmolly]

42. Done.

:toast:

[davidgmills]

46. Done n/t

[Wilms]

55. The petition url would make a great thread on it's own. n/t

[EFerrari]

17. I'd like to suggest that we mount a phone and email campaign

to Pelosi and Reid. The day I heard about this I called her office. And I have a couple of friends there, who always come out for the benefits we do. But,despite that, I told them if Nancy backs Roemer we can't back her. Not negotiable.

Maybe someone is leaking the koolaid into the water cooler but we can't let even a whisper of a possiblity stand when it comes to the DNC chair. It sets the tone.

[gumby]

22. Center for National Policy is BAD, BAD, BAD

If this is the same CNP---
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Council_on_National_Policy

edit: oops.. "Center" and "Council" are two different words, aren't they? Duh! on me.

[ClarkUSA]

26. Why aren't we calling Pelosi and Reid on this sh*t?

Unless they are part and parcel of this? I suggest we make some phone calls/emails/faxes and blow the whistle on this to the DNC membership as well.

[EFerrari]

27. ClarkUSA, have you noticed that this hype died down in the last

week or so?

I think they floated the baloon and that it tanked. What do you think? Because if not, I will personally mount the protest.

[ClarkUSA]

56. No, it hasn't. Roemer is not dropping out of the race like others have...

due to lack of encouragement. Besides, I don't think we should sit on our hands and hope for the best. Roemer will lead to the true destruction of the Democratic base.

[sunnystarr]

28. kos also points out that he has a good voting record...

"What's more, while a congressman, Roemer

- voted against NAFTA
- voted to protect ANWR
- voted in support of the Kyoto protocol
- voted against the '91 invasion of Iraq

So, Roemer's a big ol' right-winger, right? No, I don't think so. Roemer is a maverick, like many midwestern congressfolk.

Again, Roemer shouldn't be DNC chair, principally, because he wouldn't have the slightest clue about making the important structural reforms necessary for the party's short-term success and long-term viability. But please, let's not fillet the guy.

[EFerrari]

29. Hands up, ladies. Who wants Mr. Roemer in their uterus? n/t

[KoKo]

49. Kos also said that folks wanting the Vote Counted in Ohio were "Conspiracy

Theorists." The information in the original post is enough for me not to support Roemer. I signed the petition and mentioned that Roemer would be unacceptable to the Progressive Wing of the Democratic party.

[salvorhardin]

30. What evidence do you have that Roemer is associated with Dominionism?

I can't seem to find any. The Mercatus Center is indeed dubious, having been started by Richard Fink, Bush Pioneer (http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/ContributorsAndPaybacks/pioneer_profile.cfm?pioneer_ID=1177), and interestingly enough, a Progressive Policy Institute (DLC think tank) board member (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Richard_Fink).

[JunkYardDogg]

31. Counter with JunkYardDogg's Progressive Think Tank Retreat

As a counter to these Cush, Plush, Luxurious Fascist Right Wing Think Tank Retreats,
I have established the Progressive, Left Dissidents' own Think Tank
Retreat to Promote and further the goals, Ideals and Policies of our own Politics
It is known as "JunkYardDogg's Progressive Political Think Tank
Retreat" aka "JYD's Brain Bash"
To be held in the RiverBed of the Ventura River Homeless Camp, weather permitting. Bring your own Tent, sleeping Bags, cooking gear, canned beans, and Colt 45, White Port with Lemon Juice (WPLJ) also acceptable. Weapons optional.
In case of flash floods , to be rescheduled

[KoKo]

50. That's funny....really... but the truth of it is sad..

[jdog]

32. Stephonopolus (sp?) has Roemer on next this morning. n/t

[Al-CIAda]

34. Any thoughts on this fellow and his associations?

Martin Frost for DNC Chair  Åú 6 E Street SE - Washington D.C. 20003
 202/547-7610 (phone)  Åú 202/547-8258 (fax) Åú

http://www.martinfrost.com/


I have heard suggestions of this name as well.

[KingoftheJungle]

36. Here's a proximity search on him

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?Na=frost%2C+martin

[Al-CIAda]

37. Cool - great site. eom

[Lisabtrucking]

39. Why don't they realize they have enough people to win.

We did not lose this election because ick got 3 million more votes, we lost it because ick was aloud 3 million ghost votes. I really do believe this.

[righteous1]

43. They are begging on hands and knees for McAuliff to stay on and

he has yet win an election, it's nuts . Dean would do a wonderful job IMO

[MoonRiver]

57. Just imagine,

Dean as party chair, and Gore as our 2008 presidential candidate!
:loveya:

[Turn CO Blue]

59. OMG, totally with you on that!

[mzmolly]

44. Roemer on the issues.

http://www.issues2000.org/IN/Tim_Roemer.htm

I have'nt reviewed his positions yet, I'm afraid to.

[mzmolly]

45. Roemer on the issues.

http://www.issues2000.org/IN/Tim_Roemer.htm

I have'nt reviewed his positions yet, I'm afraid to.

[PATRICK]

58. Undesirable yes, some of the points stated above

seem unreal. A Dominionist Catholic? There is a select clique of RW opportunists among the Bushistas more interested in taking over Catholic institutions and blocs than anything too nutty because the crazier fundies and the conservative Catholics in general hate and distrust each other and their ideas are opposed. Roemer's abortion votes seem explicable from a strict conservative or politically self-protecting perspective. Unfortunately he seems too typical of the Clinton era Congress which is a large reason why we are in the present mess and why it would really disastrous to consider him as chair.

Both pragmatism and ideology are fatally flawed for the times wherever you come down on his issues. I see him making a decision by shooting one foot at a time and limping to survival. As far as politics and ideas, this is the wrong type of record and individual. Better a political non-entity who actually gets it straight than the tangled entrails in the supposed middle of the road.

I know it is the kiss of death, but if Dean were to nominate someone(since he might want to run again for the presidency or keep up conflicting advocacy group work) WHO would dean like to see? Someone must have asked that question or proposed a few names. Despite his own defeat I think Trippi exhibited more innovation and know-how than other managers. The only failing was in shifting blame to Dean for the defeat but he did that more convincingly and honestly(to me) than other truculent people who jumped ship(or were fired) working for other candidates.

I think too the ideology is ruining the choice of the chair, and I don't mean from OUR side. The DNC is trying to put a schlemiel who can coddle corporations who despise the party by now and can pass as GOP while mouthing the usual empty traditional stuff on a dull, lukewarm website. The lack of astute competence is overwhelming while the commitment to the party base is decidedly underwhelming. The problem is in the choice making BEFORE some poor guy is even named.

Don't any of these guys from all persuasions ever get together and chew out the real thinking and get out of all the traps they have institutionalized for themselves? Think of it. Clinton as party chair would exemplify certain locked in ideolgies and amplify with ego and great fundraising. Why isn't he the perfect choice if the right wing of the party has it so right?

[NationalEnquirer]

54. UNfreakinBELIEVABLE!

I see it, but I can hardly believe it.
WHAT THE HELL has happened to the Democratic Party?
Are they THAT scared of middle america?
I got news for folks, middle america is not "conservative"!
They are moderate, with some leanings to the right on a few issues.
The only reason we dont win those people over is those few issues that can bother some of them, like gay rights and abortion.
But if you talk to them, they are ALL FOR national health care, making the rich pay their fair share of taxes, against the oppressive Patriot act.
They are FOR more gun control, they are FOr at least some measure of pro-choice.
It shouldn't be rocket science to tell these people that WE are more for them than THEY..

[Red State Blues]

60. Dominionist !?

The very first word of this entire thread is DOMINIONIST. Personally, until I see evidence that Roemer is a dominionist I don't see any reason to progress further through the possibly factual arguments in the post.

I would be very alarmed if Roemer is a Dominionist and have done my own search and have come up empty handed.

Please also see others (and myself) asking the same question (unanswered) at posts: #14, #47, and #30.

NOTE: An explanation of what DOMINIONISM is will NOT answer this question!!

So could anyone clear up whether Roemer is a dominionist or a victim of name calling by KingoftheJungle ?