What's up with Blackwell, Jack Kemp and JINSA?

[Carolab]

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/story1a0913.html

http://elitewatch.911review.org/JINSA.html

The full board of JINSA also includes Perle and Ledeen:

http://www.jinsa.org/about/adboard/adboard.html?documentid=1343

[Wilms]

1. I like these bits...

From the JINSA page:

"a member of the Harvard Policy Group on Network-Enabled Services and Government"

"Mr. Blackwell, a life member of the NAACP, has twice received the U.S. Department of State's Superior Honor Award for his work in the field of human rights from the Administrations of Presidents George H.W. Bush and William Jefferson Clinton."

[Carolab]

2. JINSA and 9/11

JINSA Behind Drive To
Cover-Up Israeli Spy Scandal
Executive Intelligence Review News Service
1-6-2

(EIRNS) - One of the "Mega" agencies that mobilized to quash the Fox TV pick-up of our Israeli spy scandal was JINSA, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

http://www.rense.com/general18/JINSA.htm

[Wilms]

3. This is really messed up.

From the Rense piece:

"Typical of JINSA's operations of late are their sponsorship of a series of lectures by Iraqi National Congress honcho Chulabi, and their Sept. 13 press statement, calling for the U.S. to "go beyond bin Laden" to launch military attacks against Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Sudan, the Palestinian Authority, Libya, Algeria, "and even our presumed friends Saudi Arabia and Egypt."

Did they leave anyone out???

Maybe Christ can multiply the troops.

[Carolab]

4. Speaking of messed up

http://www.geocities.com/dirtyharriet0/911.htm

The role of JINSA: Just two days after 9-11, before any evidence had surfaced as to who was behind it (other than the Israelis who were arrested), JINSA was already pointing fingers at Iraq! Tell us again why Israel doesn't want this war. Here is an article suggesting that Israeli moles were behind 9-11 so as to finally get their (Wolfowitz/JINSA) much-coveted war on Iraq. Read up on the Pollard links that I have referenced above as a companion to that article.

***Pro-Israel general who purportedly has ties to JINSA is set to oversee the reconstruction of postwar Iraq.

If you had read this story - The war on Iraq: Conceived in Israel - then you'd know all about JINSA.

* Netanyahu's immediate reaction was with glee.


* Israeli Death Squads are now allowed to operate on US soil to conduct targeted killings with no arrest, trial or sentence for the "perpetrator". Given their track record of mowing down whole houses sometimes with people still in them, to punish a "terrorist", dropping one-ton bombs on "suspected militants"'s houses, the impunity they possess when they "accidentally" kill Americans, and the fact that Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Iraq - I'd say this is a very disturbing turn of events.

* ALL THE 9-11 AIRPORTS SERVICED BY ONE ISRAELI OWNED COMPANY

[Carolab]

9. All 9-11 airports

Airport security companies

Four companies, three owned by foreign firms and one in bankruptcy, are among the biggest airport security providers in the United States.

Huntleigh USA Corp.
Headquarters: 10332 Old Olive Street Road, Creve Coeur
Owner: ICTS International NV, Amstelveen, the Netherlands
U.S. airports served: 48
Acquired by ICTS for $7.3 million in transactions completed in January. Federal criminal investigation is looking into training and worker background checks.
Sept. 11: Provided security at a Boston airport concourse from which United Airlines Flight 175 departed; hijackers crashed the plane into the World Trade Center.


Globe Aviation Services
Headquarters: Irving, Texas
Owner: Securitas AB of Sweden
U.S. airports served: not available.
Securitas acquired Globe last year when it bought Burns International Services Inc. of Chicago for $457 million.
Sept. 11: Provided security for American Airlines Flight 11, which was hijacked after leaving Boston and crashed into the World Trade Center.

International Total Services Inc.
Headquarters: Cleveland, Ohio
Owner: Publicly traded shares; former Chief Executive Robert Weitzel owns or controls 48.6 percent
U.S. airports served*: 113
Filed for bankruptcy Sept. 13 because of financial difficulties that arose before the terrorist attacks. Sept. 11: Company was not involved in any hijacked flights.

Argenbright Security Inc.
Headquarters: Atlanta
Owner: Securicor PLC of England
U.S. airports served: 35
Prosecuted last year for failure to conduct background checks, lying to Federal Aviation Administration; paid $1.6 million penalty.
Acquired by Securicor in December for $185 million.

Sept. 11: Provided security for United Airlines Flight 93, hijacked from Newark and crashed into a Pennsylvania field. Also provided security for American Airlines Flight 77, hijacked from Washington's Dulles airport and crashed into the Penatgon.

*As of June
Sources: The companies

Focus on the Cleveland, Ohio company. Why did it file for bankruptcy on September 13, two days after 9/11?

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?FilingID=1646004&Type=ORIG

Who is Robert Weitzel?

The article says this company was not involved with any of the hijacked flights. Yet, there is an article that a Flight X, originally identified as Flight 93, landed at Cleveland Hopkins on 9/11, carrying 200 passengers. This story changed as the day wore on.
There were two flights that arrived within 15 minutes of each other that day at Cleveland Hopkins. The article is named "The Cleveland Airport Mystery" and is mirrored on many websites.

http://de.geocities.com/woody_box2000/clevelandmystery....

The article is quoted by Mike Ruppert in his "Crossing the Rubicon". Its basic claim (two emergency landings in Cleveland) is still unchallenged.

Two emergency landings in Cleveland. But only one was reported.

[Carolab]

12. Robert Weitzel and aviation terror in 1997!

http://www2.gwu.edu/~cms/aviation/track_ii.html

The Technological Threat: Explosives Detection and Imaging
Moderator
Mr. Armen A. Sahagian, Deputy Director on Security, White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security
Panelists
Mr. James J. Aldo, Vice President, Marketing & Sales, Vivid Technologies, Inc.
Dr. David H. Fine, Senior Vice President, Thermedics Detection, Inc.
Mr. Richard Doney, Head of Technical Support and Transport Security, U.K. Department of Transport (United Kingdom)
Mr. Ralph S. Sheridan, CEO & President, American Science & Engineering Inc.
Mr. Robert A. Weitzel, CEO & President, International Total Services
Mr. Robert G. Wilsey, President, Safe Passage International, Ltd.
Mr. Stephen Wolff, Vice President, Marketing & Product Development, InVision Technologies, Inc.

This was a government International Conference on Aviation Safety and Security in the 21st Century held at the George Washington University from January 12-15, 1997!

Look at Mr. Weitzel's slide show talking about AIRPLANE HIJACKING in 1997!!!!

http://www2.gwu.edu/~cms/aviation/track_ii/GORE2/index.htm

[Carolab]

14. More on Weitzel's bankruptcy

The company filed for bankruptcy last week and is now suing its former chairman

A mainland firm hired to manage airline security checkpoints in Hawaii has problems that strike at the heart of the debate over security at the nation's airports.

International Total Services Inc., based in Independence, Ohio, Wednesday sued its minority owner and former chairman Robert A. Weitzel, claiming that Weitzel caused the firm to file corporate bankruptcy last week.

Financial trouble isn't the only problem for the firm. One former employee of International Total Services, who spoke to the Star-Bulletin on condition of anonymity, says the company had security practices that were so lax that its checkpoints routinely allowed dangerous material to remain undetected at Honolulu Airport during company tests.

For example, in nine trials, fake hand grenades were taped to wheelchairs that were to pass through checkpoints at the airport. In seven cases, the grenade-strapped wheelchair passed through without detection, the employee said. In one of the two cases in which the grenade was found, the grenade had fallen from the tape on its own.

International Total Services did not respond to a request for comment.

Largely because of security concerns at U.S. airports, Congress is considering whether to take over airport security and establish it under a government umbrella, a move that has drawn the support of several experts interviewed by the Star-Bulletin.

Questions are being raised about International Total Security and other firms that handle security at the nation's airports, in light of last week's terrorist attacks.

Enforcing a proper standard of security at the nation's airports is not only a weapon in the nation's new war against terrorism; it is critical to getting Hawaii's chief industry, tourism, back on its feet, experts say.

"You've got to be safe. You've got to tell people it's safe," said state Sen. Cal Kawamoto, chairman of the Transportation, Military Affairs and Government Operations Committee. Kawamoto said he would talk to the state Department of Transportation, which oversees the Honolulu airport.

International Total Services was fined $35,000 by the Federal Aviation Administration for allowing a person without a ticket into the international passenger terminal at Honolulu International Airport on Saturday, four days after the deadly terrorist attacks. The FAA has issued new standards for security at airports, but enforcement is largely up to the individual airlines.

There have been so many new complaints of uneven security at airports that the FAA yesterday began asking visitors to its Web site, www.faa.gov, to offer their own suggestions on how to improve aviation.

Between March 31, 2000, and March 31 of this year, International Total Services paid a total of $1.85 million in fines to the FAA and for damages to aircraft, according to the firm's annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In the previous year, the firm paid $1.76 million. It is unclear whether the fines were for violations of security procedures.

The company screens passengers at more than 100 airports in 34 states, including Honolulu airport and the Keahole Airport in Kona on the Big Island.

Like most airport security firms, International Total Services is hired directly by the airlines, and its largest customers are Delta Air Lines, Continental Airlines and Trans World Airlines. In Hawaii, the firm has contracts with the nonprofit Airlines Committee of Hawaii Inc., a consortium of airlines that serve Hawaii that was incorporated in 1988. A spokesman for the committee did not return calls seeking comment.

Earlier this year, International Total Services lost a $7.4 million contract at the Dallas/Fort Worth airport. Because of the termination, the firm reported its second quarter revenue dropped to $44.7 million from $49.8 million in the year earlier.

Last week, International Total Services filed for Chapter 11 reorganization bankruptcy in New York, seeking protection from its creditors. The firm has $30.2 million in assets and $48.2 million in debts, including a $25 million line of credit provided by Bank One NA and Provident Bank, the company's two secured creditors.

International Total Services sold its stock publicly in 1997 at $11.25 a share. Using the proceeds of $31.8 million, the company bought several subsidiaries that later turned out to be bad investments, the company said in a bankruptcy filing.

In September 1999, the Nasdaq dropped the firm's stock from its exchange because International Total Services failed to file its annual report on time.

In the lawsuit filed Wednesday, International Total Services claims its former chairman Weitzel caused the company to file bankruptcy, in part by breaking his agreement not to compete with the firm after he was forced to resign in 1999. At the time, independent auditors found that Weitzel had mismanaged the firm and manipulated its financial statements to his benefit, according to a statement from International Total Services.

Weitzel also made it difficult for the firm's new management team to raise capital, the company said. A hearing in the bankruptcy case is scheduled for Monday. While the firm says that the bankruptcy is not affecting its business operations, the company owes money to its employees and needs approval to pay them.

International Total Services also blames its financial woes on rising costs of labor, driven by its annual turnover rate of nearly 100 percent. International Total Services has a total of about 12,000 employees.

International Total Services pays its guards little more than the minimum wage, which also explains why the company has security problems, one former employee of the company told the Star-Bulletin on condition of anonymity. Many of the firm's Hawaii employees are recent immigrants who speak little English and receive a two-day session of training, the employee said.

High turnover has been a major problem with security at America's airports since 1989, said Jeremy R. Spindlove, a former security manager with British Airways in the United Kingdom. "They need to address it," said Spindlove, co-author of the 1999 book "Terrorism Today: The Past, the Players, the Future."

Spindlove said he does not blame the employees. Rather, he blames the airlines for the practice of hiring the cheapest security firms through the lowest-bid process.

The security business is highly competitive, and low profit margins force the security firms to cut costs where they can. "It's a recipe for disaster," said James H. Clark, a security expert at Alderson Clark Ltd. in Ohio. . . .

While International Total Services has a number of unique legal troubles, its financial difficulties and the use of low-paid workers are a common problem throughout the air travel security industry.

Some 18,000 airport security officers work in the United States, earning $5.25 to $6.75 an hour without benefits with a turnover rate up to 400 percent, Sen. Max Cleland (D-Ga.) said yesterday at a congressional meeting on airport security.

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/TheEagleAwakes.htm

[Al-CIAda]

10. Lies, Spies and treason...

Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?
Published: 12/12/01 FOX News.
These items have since been removed from the FOX News web site:
BRIT HUME, HOST: It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work. 

Now Fox News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn't tell us before September 11. Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part series. 

PART 1-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
PART 2-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7544.htm
PART 3-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm
PART 4-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm

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Carl Cameron Reports
Wednesday, December 12, 2001
What did the Mossad know in advance about September 11 (and not pass on to USA allies?)
Transcript of 4 part series-
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/Israelis/spies1.html

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AIPAC Spy Case involves Intelligence on Iranian WMD

Juan Cole

09/06/04 -- James Gordon Meek reports that both FBI investigations of leaks from the Pentagon concern in part secret US intelligence on Iranian weapons of mass destruction programs. The FBI suspects that this intelligence was leaked to AIPAC and the Israelis on the one hand, and to Ahmad Chalabi on the other. Chalabi in turn is suspected of passing the information on to Tehran, playing the role of double agent. Although the FBI seems to be keeping the two inquiries separate, there is strong circumstantial evidence that there was a behind-the-scenes connection between Chalabi and the Israelis. That is, the information circuit may have been ingrown among the Neoconservatives, the Israelis and Chalabi's people.

It should be noted that Chalabi, the Neoconservatives, and Israel's Likud Party were allied in wanting to get up a US war against Iraq. But they were divided on the next stage, which was to get Washington to attack Iran, as well. Chalabi hates Saddam, but as an Iraqi Shiite has strong ties to Tehran, so he was not actually on board with Stage Two, and may have helped derail it, for which he is now hated in some Neoconservative circles.
Con't-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6869.htm
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Crazy Like a Fox
Neocons go bananas over AIPAC spy scandal, but there's a method to their madness
by Justin Raimondo

...Anonymous," a currently serving CIA analyst, writes:"One can only react to this stunning reality by giving all praise to Israel's diplomats, politicians, intelligence services, U.S.-citizen spies, and the retired senior U.S. officials and wealthy Jewish-American organizations who lobby an always amenable Congress on Israel's behalf. In an astounding and historically unprecedented manner, the Israelis have succeeded in lacing tight the ropes binding the American Gulliver to the tiny Jewish state and its policies; as Anatol Lieven has written, the Israelis have been so successful that Israeli nationalism 'for many Americans has become deeply entwined with their American nationalism.'"
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3583
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Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration
FBI counterintelligence investigators have in recent weeks questioned current and former U.S. officials about whether a small group of Iran specialists at the Pentagon and in Vice President Cheney's office may have been involved in passing classified information to an Iraqi politician or a U.S. lobbying group allied with Israel, according to sources familiar with or involved in the case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60497-2004Sep3.html?nav=rss_nation
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If you have watched the 4 part series, the following "art student' cover can be put in context-

The Israeli "art student" mystery
For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices -- in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html
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Israeli Drug Smugglers' Global Monopoly On Ecstasy -2002
http://www.rense.com/general24/israelidrugsmugglers.htm

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Fri Sep 17,2004
LOS ANGELES Thirteen people are facing federal drug charges in Los Angeles for allegedly taking part in a cross-continent Ecstasy smuggling ring.
Investigators say about 300-thousand doses of the club drug -- with a street value of nearly seven (m) million dollars -- were seized in raids over a two-year period.

Dubbed Operation Money Man, prosecutors say the investigation of the European ring began when U-S immigration agents learned that a group of mostly Israeli nationals were selling Ecstasy in the L-A area.

Authorities say the ring shipped more than seven (m) million Ecstasy tablets from the Czech republic to the United States, Australia, Poland and Russia over the past year.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2312570
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US to sell Israel bunker-buster bombs
The Age Australia -September 22, 2004
The US plans to sell Israel $139 million ($A200 million) worth of air-launched bombs, including 500 "bunker busters" able to penetrate Iran's underground nuclear facilities, Israeli security sources said yesterday.
The newspaper Haaretz quoted a Pentagon report as saying the procurement sought "to maintain Israel's qualitative advantage and advance US strategic and tactical interests". The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington. Israel's Defence Ministry also declined to comment.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/21/1095651323300.html?oneclick=true

[KatieB]

28. "Highest Security Clearance"....

I'd say the guy is covert...he'll be swimming in oil $ soon (if not already).

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. I didn't realize this was part of his resume --

"a member of the Advisory Panel of the Federal Elections Commission"

How very convenient. He gets to investigate himself.

[Carolab]

6. Kemp, Feeney and Stephenson (DataMaxx)

Jack Kemp and Blackwell are TIGHT. And Kemp is involved with Stephenson and Feeney in SmartCOP in West Palm Beach.

http://www.sacfla.org/6-14.htm

[aquart]

7. Yes. The Jews did it.

The Jews will always do it.

Stupid brown people could never be so clever as to kill us. It had to be the clever Jews and the rich, properly educated white people.

Dontcha love racist palaver after midnight?

[Carolab]

8. Cui Bono?

Always ask this question.

[Wilms]

11. I think * Co did it.

Does that mean America did it?

Someone who works for a given agency is linked to the event.

Does that mean the agency did it?

I'll bet there are people involved who are Israeli, Saudi, white, CIA, FBI, NORAD, FAA, ATC, airline execs. and on and on...because they had the skills and access.

Oh, and, maybe a dude named Blackwell.

[Lurker321]

15. Jewish vote -

1992 - 80:11 for Clinton
1996 - 78:16 for Clinton
2000 - 79:19 for Gore
2004 - 76:24 for Kerry

You keep the stupid anti-semitism on the left up, and in the next elections it's going to be 60:40 (or, if you put Carolab in charge, probably 30 : 70).

[EFerrari]

13. It's not racist to question the policies of the Isreali government. So

you can just put that card 'way back in your wallet.

[aquart]

29. Ever question the policies of any other government?

Just wondering.

And that statement wasn't a question, it was a smear. 9/11=Jews.

[Carolab]

30. HEY for your information

I am VERY CLOSE to a "jew" who ACTUALLY LIVES IN ISRAEL (and has, for MOST of his life! although he was my boyfriend in college here in the states) and thinks what the Zionists are doing SUCKS! So is he "anti-semitic"?

We are NOT dissing JEWS, we are dissing neoconservatives and Likudniks and Zionists. Jeeze, get it straight.

Do I get po'd if someone starts knocking Christians? No! I assume they mean crazy Christians, evangelicals and fundies.

[EFerrari]

31. I certainly didn't read it that way. And yes, I question government

period, categorically. Because where there is power there is the potential for abuse.

Sad, we have to have conversations this way.

[EFerrari]

33. Aquart, this is the thing. I used to be a huge supporter of Isreal.

I read everything I could about how the state was founded, cheered them on, appreciated the struggle.

Well, Isreal -- or the state leadership -- has fullfilled the maxim: What you resist, you become. (Maybe a lesson there for Americans.)

And so now we have reports from Gitmo that detainees are being wrapped in the Isreali flag and tortured. And we see the hoodings and more of Mossad's fingerprints.

I have long withdrawn my support of Isreal. But then, I despise many things my own criminal government is doing as well, They are both in a happy criminal partnership.

[Lurker321]

34. I would think if you really used to be a "huge supporter"

and read everything about it, you would know how the name of the state is spelled.

[EFerrari]

35. 'Way to attend to the bigger picture. Why do you people waste

time on such silly attacks? lol

[Lurker321]

37. You think it is a "silly attack" to expect from someone who

claims that he read everything he could on the subject to spell the name of the country he read "everything" about correctly?

[EFerrari]

39. Yup. It's frivolous in the extreme. You have not better argument

and you don't know me. So, sure I do.

[Lurker321]

42. If I talk to someone who says he is a a mathematician and he

insists on spelling "Euler" as "Ueler", I think that calls into question his claim. Same with you.

[EFerrari]

44. Fine. Your perogative. I'm done with this thread., n/t

[EFerrari]

41. Lurker, I'm not here to create discord. We disagree. n/t

[minorjive]

16. moderator anti-semitic remarks don't belong here

sounds kind of racist,too.

[Al-CIAda]

20. What the hell?

This CERTAINLY ISN'T about racism!

This is about a certain group -a group closely aligned with the Dominionists, the neo-cons, and the like.

So, is it 'anti-christian' to expose the Dominionist Christo-fascists?

Rediculous.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. It's okay to question the policies of the Israeli government,

or individuals in certain agencies, just like it's okay to question the "government" of the USA -- NOT okay to paint "Jews" with a broad brush.

[peacetalksforall]

24. I resent your jumping from Jews to Israeli operatives.

Not all Jews are Israeli operatives! Over and done with?

It is such a waste of time to go through this again.

[Eloriel]

92. AFAIC

That's a terribly unfortunate and wrongheaded response to the information being shared in this thread.

Do you also believe the information in this thread is racist, since it involves the BLACK Kenneth Blackwell and sheds some negative light on him?

I'll stand with you whenever I see anti-Semitism, but trying to make unflattering facts about people who happen to be Jewish or organizations and even states that are Jewish into a case of anti-Semitism just doesn't work for me.

[minorjive]

17. Blackwell is trying to get the Ohio Jewish vote

Ohio has some heavily Jewish areas--Cleveland especially--and the Jewish community tends to be on the right regarding support of Israeli policies. Blackwell being in a right-wing group that supports the bad policies of the Israeli government is to get "pro-Israel" crediblity. That's what's up with this.

Btw, Carolabl, just in case you don't know my handle, this is your caef friend from Boston.

[lonestarnot]

18. Soliciting Corporate donations for run for gov. in Ohio ILLEGAL!

WHERE IS PROSECUTOR????

[GetTheRightVote]

19. 1st. there is good & bad in all groups but after listening to the Fox News

report, though I am not to hot on them either, has convinced me that the Irsaelies knew about 9/11. The Jewish individuals that worked in those buildings did not show up for work is what I remember one news report stating right after the 9/11 events happened. This explains why they did not report to work on that day of all days. There are many things going on behind the curtains that we may never know about or understand but they are still happening.

I also have come to know after speaking with many Jewish individuals that they certainly hate the Muslims in this world and the Muslims have no love lost for Jewish individuals either, Israel being at the root of it all, now I may have some understanding to why they feel the way they do. We as a free country should not be involved in this fight of religious beliefs and it is to bad that we have allowed ourselves to brought into a war of haterd like this one is and always will be.

This war of haterd will problably mean the end of our country in the future. I have no connection to either group but it is obvious they will never agree and we should not be connected to either one of them as far as our own national security is concerned. We are Americans, not Isrealites, we should be tolernate of both groups and not directly connected to either. Nothing in world history should make it so, sorry.

Especially, we should never tolernate spying on this country for any reason and all individuals involved in it should go to jail, serve for life. Spying on a friendly nation is the lowest of all actions. We must condemn such actions immediately.

[Lurker321]

21. You should be ashamed for spreading vicious rumors around

about Jews not showing up for work in WTC.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.htm

""It is clear to all that the Jews/Israel have most to gain and should be considered as a possible source behind this act," we're told. We hope what's clear to all is that those who author and disseminate this kind of garbage are really the ones with the most to gain."

I agree with snopes.

[Al-CIAda]

23. I think this is because it is from FOX that it first gave that impression.

not having known the game plan. Now they're fully on board the Neocon agenda, as you can see, they have erased the series from their site. I do agree that certain Israli businesses and such tried to WARN of the impending attacks...but this was countered by the spies.

Additional background-

Spies in Pentagon Ignored
CIA Told Top Brass Of Israeli Spooks Over Six Years Ago

 By Richard Walker

 Recent revelations of a year-long FBI probe into Pentagon insider Larry Franklin, a Defense Intelligence Agency official, have startled the United States, revealing evidence that a mid-level official passed classified documents about Iran to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful lobbying group in Washington.

However, warnings about an Israeli spy in the Pentagon are not new. They were voiced in 1998 by then CIA Director George Tenet, but quickly ignored.

Tenet at the time was concerned that the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, had a mole deep in the Pentagon and a concerted effort was needed to root out the traitor.

The CIA chief’s recommendation fell on deaf ears despite the fact there was information showing that Israel had stolen America’s nuclear secrets and in the mid 1980s had acquired U.S. naval nuclear codes.

Both the Israeli government and the committee have dismissed espionage charges, arguing that the information was not classified and it is regularly shared informally.

AIPAC, which boasts a membership of 65,000, is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in D.C. with allies in both the Democratic and Republican parties.

Earlier this year, President George W. Bush praised AIPAC for highlighting the most dangerous and “greatest challenges of our times” and praised its role in exposing Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons.

Nonetheless, the FBI probe raises important issues of how much U.S. policy is shaped publicly and perhaps secretly by Israel and its neo-conservative supporters in Washington.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/spies_in_pentagon.html

[Lurker321]

25. Note that despite the sensationalist headlines,

Larry Franklin has not been arrested, indicted, or charged with espionage or, in fact, any crime - and it has been more than 6 months since the story "broke".

Just another bullshit story. On par with "Israelis are responsible for 9/11", or, for that matter, "Jews rule the world".

[Al-CIAda]

26. Overgeneralizing to dismiss it all I guess.

Cloak and Swagger
The Larry Franklin spy probe reveals an escalating fight over control of Iran policy.

By Laura Rozen and Jason Vest
Issue Date: 11.02.04
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At the time the CBS report aired in late August -- incidentally, on the Friday evening before the opening of the Republican national convention -- custody of the Franklin investigation was being transferred from the head of the FBI counterintelligence unit, David Szady, to U.S. Attorney Paul McNulty, a Bush appointee, in Alexandria, Virginia, as the case moved to the grand-jury phase.

And then, in mid-September, news of the Franklin investigation went dark.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=8764

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Disinfopedia-
Larry Franklin
From Disinfopedia


Lawrence (Larry) Franklin is an analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency who works in the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith. He reports directly to Feith's deputy, William Luti and specializes in Iranian policy issues. <1>

Allegations of Espionage

On August 29th 2004, it was reported that Franklin is under investigation for allegedly spying for the state of Israel <4> (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040828_1405.html) <5> (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1093674510956) <6> (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040828-020807-9421r.htm). According to an article in Haaretz, Franklin is not Jewish himself <7> (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/470390.html).

Franklin allegedley offered highly classified draft documents regarding the United States policy towards Iran to two members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The two AIPAC Iran analysts, Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, have retained a well known criminal defense attorney, Abbe Lowell, for counsel.<8> (http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/09/02&ID=Ar01300)

Attorney General John Ashcroft assigned highly partisan Republican U.S. Attorney Paul McNulty to the espionage case. Charges of espionage were expected to be downgraded to charges of mishandling classified information.

Franklin's security clearance was revoked in June 2004.


Secret Meetings with Iran-Contra Arms Dealers

Beginning in 2001, Franklin and Harold Rhode (Feith's top specialist on the Middle East) held secret meetings in Rome with Iran-Contra arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar. These meetings were arranged by longtime Republican operative Michael Ledeen.

The Washington Monthly (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.marshallrozen.html) claimed the intent of these meetings was clear: "regime change" in Iran:

"The DoD-Ghorbanifar meetings suggest the possibility that a rogue faction at the Pentagon was trying to work outside normal US foreign policy channels to advance a "regime change" agenda not approved by the president's foreign policy principals or even the president himself."

"According to U.S. government sources, both the State Department and the CIA eventually brought the matter to the attention of the White House -- specifically, to Condoleezza Rice's chief deputy on the National Security Council, Stephen J. Hadley...Hadley sent word to the officials in Feith's office and to Ledeen to cease all such activities.

An anonymous senior administration official quoted by the Los Angeles Times-Washington Post News Service (http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=94701) said that the immediate objective of the Pentagon hawks appeared to be to "antagonise Iran so that they get frustrated and then by their reactions harden U.S. policy against them."
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Larry_Franklin
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FBI Probes Pentagon Spy Case
(CBS) CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.

60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran.

At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

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Analysis: More Being Learned About Larry Franklin, Suspected Spy For Israel
Morning Edition: September 3, 2004

Chalabi Linked to Pentagon Leak Probe
STEVE INSKEEP, host:
Now in this country, we're learning more about a suspected spy for Israel at the Pentagon. Since word leaked out about him, we've learned the man's name, Larry Franklin, and a bit more about his work as a mid-level analyst on the Pentagon's Iran desk. Now there are growing indications that the FBI probe is actually much wider than just Franklin and that it's been going on for at least two years. NPR's Mary Louis Kelly is following all this and has an update on the investigation.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2004/sep/040903.kelly.html

[Lurker321]

27. How about this - talk to me when Larry Franklin is

charged with something. I suspect that will never happen.

Until then, it's all hints and insinuations, with no concrete facts behind it.

[Carolab]

32. So is this anti-semitic?

US has established three bases to guard the Mosul-Haifa pipeline

Here is why American kids are dying


http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=293100108

Zionist strategists, both Jew and non-Jew, have planned the destruction of Islam for many years, just as they have planned the destruction of the other monotheist religions Christianity and Torah-true Judaism. The invasion of Iraq is but the one of the stepping-stones along the route of this wicked and evil stratagem. Reader, understand that not all Zionists are Jews and some of the most powerful Zionists are non-Jewish. For the core of Zionism is the establishment of a country, which Jews could call "home" and thus go there en masse. Powerful forces and groups desire this for very different reasons. Some Jews because they wish to return to the home of their supposed ancestors, a land "promised" to them by Yahweh. Some Jews because they wish to create a Zionist paradise on Earth, from which to rule the world from Jerusalem in a posited World Jewish Empire. Freemasonry desires this "Jewish homeland" because it wishes to create its world headquarters in the rebuilt Temple of Solomon. A powerful group wish the return of Jews to Palestine so that their presence can be exploited by bringing the whole world into war. Others desire the Jews in one place so that they can be destroyed en masse. And reader, understand that behind all these movements lurks true Evil. That is why it is not accidental that since the beginning of the twentieth century, the presence and activity of the Zionist State of Israel is solely responsible for the bloodshed and suffering in the Middle East. The establishment of this rogue nation, this running sore, was an integral part of an ancient agenda for World Empire that has been cherished and nurtured by secret societies throughout the ages. This ancient agenda for global governance or a New World Order is the Evil Agenda of a cabal of powerful inter-generational adepts: the Black Adepts in the Cult of Evil, an ancient cult indeed, which is in fact the oldest religion in the world. This dark occult group controls Organized Jewry, Freemasonry and the Anglo-American Establishment, of which the Council on Foreign Affairs (CFR) and the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA) are its exoteric expressions. All of these organizations, both exoteric and occult, work to promote Zionism but for their own ends, which ultimately mean the ends dictated by the cabal of very powerful men who are the Black Adepts in the Cult of Evil. Zionism, like "communism" and "fascism," is merely an invention by this powerful cult working through their proxies to confuse, divide and incite mankind into error and galvanize specific groups into furthering, usually unwittingly, the ancient agenda for global governance and the establishment of the New World Order.

In the attempt to realize their strategy of world domination, in which the destabilizing, dividing and the destruction of the Middle Eastern Arab states is a prerequisite, the Anglo-American Establishment has Egypt, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia on its list of subsequent targets. The policy of the Zionist State of Israel and its very powerful supporters is the fragmentation of Iraq and its other Arab neighbours and this policy has lengthy historical roots.


http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/fscm2/contentviewer.php?content_id=301

By the way, Blackwell is a FREEMASON as well.

[Lurker321]

36. Yes, it is anti-semitic,

considering that there is no such thing as "Mosul-Haifa pipeline", and cannot possibly be, unless there is real peace in the Middle East some day. For example, Israel and Iraq have no common border. So do you think Syria will allow that imaginary pipeline to go through its territory?

[EFerrari]

38. You're on the hook. Point exactly to the part of the post that is

anti-Semitic.

[Lurker321]

40. for example, the part that

says that "Organized Jewry" is controlled by "the Black Adepts in the Cult of Evil". I am surprised such a moronity is encountered on DU. You know, all Republicans have to do is cull a few such choice utterances and publicize them widely - and in the next elections 90% of Jews will refuse to vote for Democrats.

[Carolab]

45. Oh, that's ridiculous

This is about organizations that are NOT JUST JEWS and the Jews in them are ZIONISTS. So this is ANTI-ZIONIST, not anti-semitic.

[Lurker321]

46. Oh that's ridiculous

What does "organized Jewry" say to you? That's not "Zionists". That is almost everybody.

Stop with the anti-Semitism. All you are doing is helping the Republicans. Above I posted the numbers - Republicans are steadily making gains among Jews, in election after election, and they ARE using excerpts from postings like yours to smear the Left (sometimes, unfortunately, very justifiably) as anti-Semitic.

[Carolab]

47. I am sorry, but you are picking a fight here

and taking this thread completely off-topic. NO ONE is being anti-semitic here.

[Lurker321]

49. You certainly are.

I don't judge by intentions. I judge by what you post. And what you post is some of the most God-awful anti-semitic crap that I have ever seen. And you should stop it.

[Raksha]

Lurker, this would be a freeper's wet dream.

To create conflict between Jewish and non-Jewish progressives over Israel. I suspect some pretty high-level freeping here too, not the obvious kind we are all familiar with. Basically, I think the neoCONS are trying to smear mainstream and progressive Jews with THEIR agenda!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

88. Only if they take Syria next.

[Raksha]

75. It is religious right propaganda of the most hateful and paranoid kind.

It's anti-Semitic all right, but directed specifically against the more progressive branches of Judaism, as well as normative Christianity. The giveaway is the exception made for so-called "Torah-true Judaism." This is a buzzword for some form of extreme Jewish Orthodoxy, which might be Zionist or not. I don't know yet since I've only read the excerpt you posted and haven't had a chance to check out the link.

[mollyd]

43. 9/11

17 percent of those dying in the twin towers on 9/11 were Jewish, which is also about the percentage that are Jewish in NY City. And yes to say that Jews did not come to work on 9/11 is RACIST. This is exactly what the right wing would like you to do too. Congrats

[Carolab]

48. So this proves that Zionists had NOTHING to do with 9/11?

There ARE neoconservatives who are Zionists and neoconservatives who are NOT. It's a very "inclusive" club.

Did any Zionists die on 9/11?

[Lurker321]

50. That's one of the most moronic questions.

You were told that hundreds of Jews died on 9/11 in WTC. By conservative estimates, 90% of Jews in the US are what you would call "Zionists". What do you expect the answer is?

[mollyd]

52. Useless to argue with this person

She is taking the kind of stuff one sees on Stormfront and posting it. I'll bet she wouldn't understand that for years (in the 1960s) I belonged to a leftwing labor Zionist group called Habonim. She doesn't understand that Zionist doesn't mean Sharon supporter.

[Raksha]

81. mollyd, I understand exactly where you're coming from.

I *KNOW* Zionist doesn't mean Sharon supporter. It means you support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. There is no particular political orientation that necessarily follows from that! Zionists can be anything from far-left to far-right or anything in between.

[mollyd]

51. Yes, Zionists died

But I doubt you really know what a Zionist is. And since you are wearing the tin foil hat here prove that amoungs those hundreds of Jews, none were Zionists.

[Carolab]

53. No, I asked the question.

You prove it.

And I certainly do know what a Zionist is. In fact, if you read your history, you will find that it is the Zionists who allowed the holocaust to happen in the first place.

And Bush's "gang" is pretty anti-semitic itself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x273391ic, anti

[Lurker321]

54. Fine. I think Vegans are behind 9/11. Proof? Not one

Vegan died in WTC. They were all warned to stay away. Prove to me that there were Vegans among the dead.

You don't even realize how incredibly obtuse you're looking with every post, right?

[Carolab]

55. I never claimed that vegans were among the dead

so why would I need to prove that they were?

You are carrying this argument to an objectionable EXTREME. But why take it from me? Read what this Jewish writer has to say on the subject:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5436.htm

[Lurker321]

56. Here is what the same writer also had to say:

"My sole concern is indeed to help the Palestinians, and I try to play for keeps. I am not interested in the truth, or justice, or understanding, or anything else, except so far as it serves that purpose."

"I would use anything, including lies, injustice and obfuscation, to do so. If an effective strategy means that some truths about the Jews dont come to light, I dont care. If an effective strategy means encouraging reasonable anti-Semitism or reasonable hostility to Jews, I dont care. If it means encouraging vicious racist anti-Semitism, or the destruction of the State of Israel, I still dont care."


(Remarks published on the anti-semitic Web site "Jewish Tribal Review". You, Carolab, would really feel at home there.)

http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=itn&Story=381

You found a great "authority" on anti-Semitism, haven't you. Tell me who your friends are...

[mollyd]

57. The conspiracist

The conspiracist blames societal or individual problems on what turns out to be a demonized scapegoat. Conspiracism is a narrative form of scapegoating that portrays an enemy as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good. Conspiracism assigns tiny cabals of evildoers a superhuman power to control events, frames social conflict as part of a transcendent struggle between Good and Evil, and makes leaps of logic, such as guilt by association, in analyzing evidence. Conspiracists often employ common fallacies of logic in analyzing factual evidence to assert connections, causality, and intent that are frequently unlikely or nonexistent. As a distinct narrative form of scapegoating, conspiracism uses demonization to justify constructing the scapegoats as wholly evil while reconstructing the scapegoater as a hero.
The current wave of conspiracism has two main historic sources, irrational fears of a freemason conspiracy and irrational fears of a Jewish conspiracy. There are many purveyors of the conspiracist worldview and the belief structure is surprisingly widespread. Conspiracist ideas are promoted by several right-wing institutions, the John Birch Society, the Liberty Lobby, and the Lyndon LaRouche networks. These groups are examples of right-wing populism in which conspiracist narratives such as producerism are common. In Western culture, conspiracist scapegoating is rooted in apocalyptic fears and millennial expectations. Sometimes conspiracism is secularized and adopted by portions of the political left. It is interesting to note that on both the left and the right (as well as the center) there are critics of the apocalyptic style and flawed methodology of conspiracism. http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/conspiracism.html

fits well, does it not? You might notice the person in question also made a remark about the masons. Probably not aware than Benjamin Frankin was a Mason. I think its that whole right wing myth that mixes Zionists, Mason and Illuminatti.

[Carolab]

60. You can't even spell it correctly.

It's "illuminati" (one "t").

And, FYI, I even know that Jesse Jackson is a Freemason, and I have nothing but respect for Jesse Jackson. So what do you make of that?

[Carolab]

58. You are making an extremely serious and false assumption about me.

You are wrong. And that is as simple as I can make it for you.

Stop accusing me of anti-semitism. YOU ARE WRONG. And if you continue doing this I will alert the moderators. You have NO right to assign a "racist" label to me.

[Lurker321]

59. I do not know you personally. All I can judge you by

is the content of your posts. And the content is virulently anti-Semitic. Stop posting this garbage and all the assumptions will stop.

[Carolab]

61. You can NOT judge me by my posts.

You can NOT judge me because you do not know me.

And therefore you can NOT judge that what I am posting has anything to do with my attitude toward Jews.

It may interest you to know that I HAVE JEWISH HERITAGE. YOU BUFFOON!

[Lurker321]

62. It doesn't matter that you have

"JEWISH HERITAGE". Some of the worst anti-Semites in history had "JEWISH HERITAGE". Eichmann spoke perfect Yiddish - that doesn't make him less of an anti-Semite. That Neumann guy you quote who is as virulently anti-Semitic as any posts of yours is Jewish - does not make him less of an anti-Semite. Next you will tell me that some of your best friends are Jews. Ah wait - you already did.

Do this experiment. Go to one of the virulent anti-Semitic sites, like www.jewwatch.com. Click around. Read some of their crap. I suspect you will find that your leftist sources have lifted their "information" directly from sites like this one. Go read "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - a proven forgery, but still a bible of any anti-Semite. If you find stuff in there similar to what you read on your leftist anti-Semitic web sites - that should give you pause, at least.

Here is an example. This is from David Duke's diatribes - all I did was search for "David Duke" and Jinsa. Here it comes:

http://www.nordish.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-378.html

"The most famous influential and long-time proponent of the war is the ardent Zionist, Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. Perle and his wife were also founders of JINSA, the Jewish Institute for National Security. Perle and a well-networked cabal of Jewish neocons (neo-conservatives) became the primary propagandists for the war. They included many former prominent Marxists, such as Norman Podhoretz, who opposed the Vietnam War, but morphed into a conservative hawk for Israel. Podhoretz has served as editor of Commentary, the magazine of American Jewish Committee. Among the Jewish Neocons were Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, David Wurmser, Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Paul Frum, Henry Kissinger, and even the former Marxist and Black Panther supporter David Horowitz. Back in 1996, Perle was behind a report entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm. It called for war on Iraq yet, it was not written in the Untied States, but for the incoming Israeli Liked Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. Once the Israelis decided to create an American war against Iraq, they then had to manufacture the rationale for the war, so they trumpeted their reasons why America and the world had to go to war and their Jewish allies in the mass media collaborated. Of course, Israel was far more guilty of every alleged transgression than was Iraq. "

etc. etc.

Sounds familiar?

How about http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/israel_iraq_page.html - if you can get past the garish colors, the contents are almost word for word what you post. How does it feel to be in such company?

[Carolab]

63. No. It doesn't sound familiar.

I don't "follow" David Duke.

But even if I do happen to agree with the above, which I do, that doesn't make me anti-semitic, any more than it makes anyone else who is against Likud or the Neoconservative/Zionist PNAC agenda an anti-semite.

[Lurker321]

76. I would think that for a "progressive" to find that

he/she is in lockstep with David Duke would be cause for some concern. Apparently not for you, though.

[mollyd]

64. 4,000 Jews, 1 Lie

tangled web How an idea spread and grew on the Internet.


4,000 Jews, 1 Lie
Tracking an Internet hoax.
By Bryan Curtis
Posted Friday, Oct. 5, 2001, at 5:30 PM PT


, the sons of Islam will not stop their struggle."]

It is an article of faith in many Muslim countries that Israel was behind the attack on the World Trade Center, with many citing as their evidence a "news report" that 4,000 Israelis called in sick from their jobs at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11. The allegation has now appeared on scores of Web sites and bulletin boards, has been reproduced in e-mails too numerous to count, and has run as fact in newspapers and news broadcasts in the Middle East. Where did this charge originate, and what path did it take around the world?
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blxterror.htm

[minorjive]

73. no, you don't know

and to say that "the Zionists" "allowed the holocaust to happen" is about as anti-semitic and offensive as you can get. Read a real history book instead of this conpiracy theory b.s. I object to Israeli policies against the Palestinians. I don't myself ascribe to Zionist ideology, though I am Jewish and support the existence of the State of Israel. But this idea of "The Zionists" is not reality-based.

I'm working my way back towards the top and will say more there.

[Raksha]

77. ZIONIST has become a dirty word!

This is a very recent and VERY unfortunate development, and I would love to know how the hell it happened. It seems to be implying a kind of Jewish supremacism that is totally foreign to the original meaning of the word, at least as I've always understood it.

[mollyd]

79. Polar and limited thinking

The Palestinians have suffered, which is an undeniable fact. Some folks want easy answers to not simple questions. It is always easier to create a monster than understand complexity.

[Carolab]

87. Thanks minorjive for your e-mail...

it straightened out a lot for me. Apologies for lumping all Zionists into the same boat. I stand corrected.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

89. I am a Jew and have serious questions about certain factions in

Israel and their involvement.

We have PNAC and the paper Rebuilding America's Defenses here in the United States, the is now the working blueprint for our Mideast and "Defense" (Offense) policies.

Meanwhile Richard Perle and Douglas Feith were involved in this 1996 study for Israel, which goes hand in and with PNAC.

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm


Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

continued at the above link.

[mollyd]

90. having doubt about "certain factions"

makes you typical of Jews in this Country rather than the exception, I suspect. Remember most Jews are NOT neocoms, and voted for Kerry.

In so many ways it seems to me that Israel has suffered from right wing control.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

91. I believe Kerry got 72% of the Jewish vote, although I don't know

how many of those people are even aware of what a neocon is. My parents, both in their mid 80s (my Mom is 85 today) despises the Sociopath and what he has done to our country.

[Carolab]

65. You two posters, with your low numbers, are suspicious to say the least.

Who has hired you to disrupt this board? HMMM? You are so busy judging me, shall I judge you as well? Or would you each care to "explain" yourselves and your motivations here?

[mollyd]

66. My low numbers

reflect a disinclination to talk in areas where my knowledge is not strong. Clearly you feel no such inhibition.

As for my progressive credentials:

They began in 1965, when I did voter registration in Cleveland,
I have been involved as a progressive for 40 years. That included much shoe leather supporting candidates, democratic town committee, even running for office not merely being a child typing online.

[Carolab]

68. First, I am no child.

I would wager I am at least your age.

Second, I have done a GREAT DEAL of research into this subject, reading from a wide assortment of materials in order to gain a better understanding of it, so as to understand Zionism and Sharon's goals.

[Lurker321]

72. You missed some sources

such as this one

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/israel_iraq_page.html

I am sure it will give you great insight into Zioinism and Sharon's goals. The language and the "information" is there is indistinguishable from your other sources.

[Lurker321]

67. Who has hired you to post anti-Semitic screeds here? HMMM? n/t

[Carolab]

69. A question is not an answer. n/t

[Lurker321]

70. Neither is yours. n/t

[Carolab]

71. I asked you first. n/t

[ebayfool]

82. Odd, you invoke the name 'euler' & here he comes ... tagteam?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x271685#273477

[Lurker321]

83. I have seen his posts and that reminded me of

a mathematician's name. Seeing yours reminds me of crazy physicians.

[Straight Shooter]

84. Lurker321, with all due respect, concerning no follow-up on Franklin ...?

Look how long it took for events to develop in the Plame scandal. And we will probably never see justice in that regard.

Also, people misspell when they type in a hurry. That's no big deal. Regarding the "Check Spelling" option, well, it's optional.

As for all the other somewhat vitriolic back-and-forth in this thread, I'll stay out of it due to lack of knowledge, not due to lack of interest.

Good-night, DU.

[Lurker321]

85. StraightShooter - I looked into Larry Franklin affair,

read up on it, and IMHO there is just no "there" there. There are a few people in high places in FBI who have been convinced for years that there is an Israeli mole, I believe they refer to him as "Mega", and they keep trying to catch him, whether he really exists or not. Larry Franklin was a victim of that zealousness. Franklin affair was something that was blown up out of nothing, and I am willing to bet any amount of money that he will never be charged with anything, much less indicted.

Misspellings in a hurry - yes, typos happen, to me too, but there were three times in a couple of paragraphs the poster meant "Israel" and typed "Isreal". That is not a typo. That is either deliberate (can't stand to type the name?) or plain ignorance, especially coming from someone who claims he has studied the country extensively.

[euler]

74. You have no right to treat anyone in this fashion

Are you clairvoyent ? If not, then you have no idea what their motivation is. Your behavior reminds me of someone who is unsure about their argument. Since i don't know you, I will assume you were tired when you made this post.

[Raksha]

78. Yeah, I'm a newbie. I'm also Jewish.

I am not judging you but I am questioning your source. I guess I should explain that I'm a Jewish progressive who hates Sharon every bit as much as you do, and hates seeing his brand of imperialist aggression equated with "Zionism." Not all Jews are AIPAC/neocon sympathizers, but MOST Jews would refer to themselves (without apology) as "Zionists." AND MOST JEWS STILL VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

[mollyd]

80. It has gotten harder

To be in that position in recent years. A bit like having to explain that I hate what Bush has done, yet still feel American. I've become a practicing Pagan since my husband died. It seems to me though that there is plenty of real bad things that the Sharon government has done. It seems highly unneeded to bash Zionists with things that they have not done.

[Carolab]

86. Consolidated Technology Solutions and Jack Kemp

(Thanks to DUer kk897 for this, and for getting this back on topic, which was to research Blackwell's connections to organizations/persons that might have had something to do with DataMaxx. JINSA came up because of Blackwell's connections to Kemp, and the airport issue came up as a result of the Cleveland-Hopkins connection to the security firm in Cleveland and its mysteriously timed bankruptcy and NOT as some kind of an anti-semitic smear.)

There's a company called Consolidated Technology Solutions, which produces SmartCOP, very similar to what Datamaxx does, into police databases, homeland security, the whole bit. Guess who's the Director? Why, Mr. Kemp, of course.

http://www.cts-america.com/board_of_directors.asp

If someone's looking for a way for a data company to get records to Blackwell, it would seem that *this* is the company to look at, not Datamaxx. Oddly, RFK, Jr. and William Bennett are on the board as well. Even more oddly, Kay Stephenson is the CEO, but it's a different Kay Stephenson than Datamaxx's Kay Stephenson. They're even based in Florida.

I have to wonder if Andy, the Ohio investigators, et al, didn't uncover something about Kay Stephenson then assumed it was Datamaxx. But CTI does the same thing and has a direct connection to Blackwell--verrrrry direct. And they registered as a foreign corporation in Ohio in August 04.

http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/porthope/DEV.SAP_RP...