John, we tried to warn you this would happen four years ago.

[TruthIsAll]

The Black Caucus tried to discuss what happened in Florida 2000.
But every one of the Democratic senators told them (and us) to "Just Get Over It".

It was Deja Vu in the 2002 Senate races.
But there, too, you told us to "just get over it".
Millions of people believed in you despite of that.

In 2004 it was Deja Vu all over again.
And you were the one running for election this time.
It was clear to the whole world that you won.
Yet you were so quick to concede the obvious theft.

This one can't be swept under the rug like the others.
Now many of us do not believe you are serious.

When you get back from Iraq, you must support the ongoing investigations.
And do so visibly, verbally, directly.
Not by sending 3,000,000 nuanced emails.

And please don't tell us that there is not enough evidence to overthrow this election.
The evidence is overwhelming.
You have already alluded to it.

But all the evidence won't mean a damn thing unless the investigation of the 2004 election is pursued - wherever it leads.
And we all know where it will lead if it is fully investigated.

Over SIXTY MILLION PEOPLE people have already spoken in your behalf.
Now it's time for you to speak for THEM.
Without nuance.

Use plain english that they can understand.
Like: I won the election before I lost it.

You MUST NOT abandon the SIXTY MILLION.

Will you crown Bush on Jan. 20?
The Clinton's are getting ready to.
Clinton has already said that Bush won it "Fair and square".
The Clinton's HAVE abandoned us.

Clinton. McCain.
Lambasted by the Bush hate machine and yet they kiss his ass.
Go figure.

John, I almost bought your biography yesterday.
But I decided not to and put it down.
I didn't pay the 15 bucks.

Give me a reason to want to read it.
Make the John Kerry of 1970 come alive.
Right now, it's just a paean of what might have been.

Que pasa, John?

[texpatriot2004]

1. I agree TIA, well said. n/t

[Klimmer]

29. So TIA, have you sent this to JFK via email and snail mail?

From an earlier different thread---

"TIA, I agree with what you are saying, and I hope you send your message
directly to Senator Kerry personally. On his Senate website he says that is exactly what he is going to do. I believe him. I have a lot of respect for your posts and statistics. I have learned a great deal from them. Tell him directly how you feel, send him an email and personal letter."

:toast:

I hope you have along with all your great stats analysis.

[Florida_Geek]

2. Clinton has said Bush won "Fair and square".

I used to be a big dog fan but no more. The Clinton's are history now.

[Fly by night]

11. Clinton also said "I did not have sex with that woman."

When it comes to getting fucked, Bill is a bit truth-challenged, now isn't he? (And I voted for him twice. I just could never figure out why the POTUS couldn't get his rocks off with a pro, instead of an intern. Showed me a lack of judgement and restrain, then and now).

[MoonRiver]

13. WHAT???????????

Exactly what does Clinton's sex life have to do with this election? Need I remind you that numerous politicians, predominantly Repukes, have cheated on their wives. Of course is always different when it's a "Democrat"! I'm mad about Dems rolling over for this election, but please don't go to that absurd witch hunt against Clinton. :mad:

[Andy_Stephenson]

14. Two issues did me in with Bill C.

I have never forgiven him for them either.

Don't ask don't tell and DOMA. He started the antigay marriage stuff many moons ago. If only he had stood up and vetoed that bill.

[MoonRiver]

17. I have many issues with him also.

Particularly, NAFTA, DADT and Welfare to Work. WtoW might not have been so bad if he had set up a national free childcare for the women. Clinton fell right into the Repukes trap regarding carrying out their policies, and it did him absolutely no good: they still impeached him through another trap. Yet, has he apparently learned: NOOOOOO.

Regarding my post, of all the things Clinton did that I dislike, his affair with Monica Lewinsky is the least significant. All that the resulting fiasco did was reflect badly on the hypocrits who spent millions of tax payer dollars, and distracted Clinton from his presidential duties, pursuing the mother of all witch hunts.

On edit: what's DOMA?

[Andy_Stephenson]

19. Defense of

Marriage Act.

[flpoljunkie]

21. That AND encouraging Kerry to support gay marriage amendments on ballot!

Both Clintons have shown political expediency trumps integrity. I so admire John Kerry for telling Clinton that he would not support the cynical gay marriage amendments last November.

John Kerry has, in his entire political career, heeded his mother who said "Integrity, integrity, integrity." How very sad it is that this man will not be inagurated on January 20th. Instead, we face four more years of Bushco inept and corrupt leadership.

We are in for the fight of our lives. We will have to fight for what is left of our democracy, and I fervently hope John Kerry will take the lead in this fight with us.

No retreat, no surrender!

[Amaryllis]

42. Hillary did stand up on Jan. 6

[flpoljunkie]

47. My point exactly.

[Andy_Stephenson]

48. She stood up...

But how did she vote?

That is my point.

[Amaryllis]

51. I know. I agree completely but it sounded like people were not even giving

her credit for standing.
This from Free Press
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1074

"What the election challenge means"

"Several Senators and Congress Members spoke in support of the challenge but said they were not questioning Bush's victory. (The election system is broken, but the election system worked -- a notion that makes political sense to some if logical sense to few.)"

[Fly by night]

34. My point wasn't about sex, it was about bending the truth.

Sorry to have taken so long to respond to you, but I've been hosting a six hour electoral college challenge video watching/pot-luck Gathering and meeting with 40 other people to plan our next moves to address election fraud/theft here in Tennessee and nationally. It was inspiring to see and hear the patriotic voices of many of the "democracy 32" today (my first time to see the challenge footage) and to see how well our side performed on the field of battle. It reminded me what women and men of character look and sound like.

I only wish that some other high-profile Democratic leaders like Clinton, Gore or Carter (I would actually prefer it be Carter) would simply state: "We got f***ed in the 2004 election; the Repugs stole it. And I know that because I have read Conyers' report and Freeman's paper, and the Election Incident Reporting System reports and the GAO investigation and Clint Curtis' deposition, etc., etc., ad nauseum".

Instead, we get the same pandering (to whom, and why?) and half-truths that marked Clinton's tap-dance with Monica. I can understand current Congresspeople having to act with caution until the evidence is in that is sufficient to put Blackwell, Rove and the rest of those bastards away. But just what does Clinton have to lose? Nothing in my opinion. With the mountain of evidence proving fraud, voter intimidation, disenfranchisement, and theft; anyone who thinks Duh-bya won "fair and square" is not "reality-based"; and is either lazy, stupid or a co-conspirator. (And we have enough freepers on this web-site who prove that to us every time their fingers hit the keyboard.)

My comments about Clinton's behavior with Monica had to do with the recklessness he showed, not that the "affair" was important at all, except as a mark against his judgement and his character (and as a measure of his respect for women in subordinate positions in the workplace.) (On second thought, all of those issues are important to me. Aren't they to you also?) That noticeable and unnecessary flaw notwithstanding, Clinton was a better President under anesthesia than the Bush book-ends are/were on their best days.

[Amaryllis]

43. Yes! All this "not enough to change the outcome" stuff is making me wanna

SCREAM! Almost all the Dem leadership is math challenged!!

[ROH]

32. A possible connection?

Eyewitness Highlights - Selected Accounts from the 755 reports of the TWA Flight 800 incident in 1996:
http://www.twa800.com/eyewitnesses.htm

"Last summer <2001> the NTSB, headed by a Bush appointee, secretly sold all the TWA 800 wreckage ...":
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/06/TW800_questions.html

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. On the Today Show this AM, they showed recent lovefest of Clinton and **

It made me want to :puke:

[goclark]

3. Que pasa John and all the rest

who want to move on?

We can not move on until we get voter fraud solved.

Good calculation TIA, as usual.

[texpatriot2004]

4. kick

[peacetalksforall]

5. Moving on means exposing Bush.

An atypical investigative reporter did something unusual this past week - he worked - and exposed Armstrong Williams and the cabal.

The people who shouted about bringing honor and integrity back to the White House:

.live a lie
.broke a law
.mis-used our money

Did anyone think to ask the cabal what level of honor and integrity?

We need to be relentless and skip a ball game or shopping trip to educate ourselves and others.

[KittyWampus]

Tubbs-Jones Said On Cspan Junior Won The Presidency...She's

abandoned us.

[itzamirakul]

15. GOD! What could POSSIBLY be...

her excuse? To speak so eloquently about voter disenfranchisement and harrassment and then to talk out of the other side of her mouth at the same time....

[Amaryllis]

44. Do they really believe this? It just is unbelievable that they really

believe it.

[BeFree]

20. Not making excuses

But to say they have abandoned us, is a bit extreme.

In Congress, with all the lies and liars about, a member must play the game. So, a member says that yes, (it appears) bushco won. That gets a foot in the door. "Yes, but look at all the problems our people had getting their votes counted."

The few Senate floor statements I've read seem to be taking that angle: "Yes, but...." It is a proven tactical move against an entrenched force.

And it is being done in such a way that makes that entrenched force look to be against the truth, and against democracy.

They hear us; They Believe. They can't express it, but we sure as hell can. "The Election Was Stolen"

[seito]

30. I agree with you BeFree

The deck is stacked against us, we are the minority, we no longer have a free press. It is going to take time and a lot of investigative work to expose the truth.

Congress is not in a position at this point to shout fraud. They framed the issue perfectly. It is now very obvious who is working for the people, and who is working to suppress the people. The truth will come to light, and we will play a major role in educating the American public.

[wiggs]

27. This may be over parsing, but....

Bush actually is winning. Bush may or may not have, in reality, received more votes that people actually cast, but he is winning by hook or crook.

He is being inaugurated, therefore he won.

So when Tubbs-Jones says Bush won, they may not be saying that the vote was fair and accurate; they may be saying that he got away with it.

[bunny planet]

36. exactly

[Amaryllis]

45. Very interesting idea. So hard to know what is REALLY going on behind the

scenes.

[glitch]

6. John Kerry can choose to be another sad figure beaten by the bush fraWd or

or he can fight and bring down the whole junta. I don't think he can do it by the 20th though.
I really thought he knew what he was up against. Right now I am 50/50, haven't given up faith in him entirely.
But whoever takes up the cause of proving fraud and taking down the criminals will have the only chance of future office.

[IndyPriest]

7. The screen between us and candidates drives me crazy. There's

GOT to be a way to drill through their shield to get them information they need. I'd bet a month's salary (not that much, come to think of it) that Kerry doesn't know what we know about the exit polls. But somebody in DU knows somebody in Kerry's camp who will pay attention to this. Who is that DUer? We all sit around wondering what Kerry knows and doesn't know. We've got to fix that. Somebody here knows how to get to him. We need to find that person.

[TruthIsAll]

10. I believe he knows much more than we know. This is a very meticulous man.

In Vietnam, as a prosecutor, as a senator (BCC).

Oh, he knows.

[IndyPriest]

16. I bet he knows a lot, too. But does he know THIS?

I've heard lots of stories about otherwise astute politicians (leaving aside whether Kerry is astute or not...) who are less aware of how computers work than my 12 year old nephew. But in any case, someone around here can find out if he knows, and some of our important questions could get answers.

[KerryReallyWon]

25. Kerry new about the fraud....he and Max knew all about Max's loss due to..

the "robgeorgia" patch found on the internet to take him out. I know kerry knows, as max was worried about fla this time!!
all i know

[Amaryllis]

46. How do you know Kerrry knew about the rob georgia patch?

[itzamirakul]

8. EXACTLY! and very much ....

to the very point that I have wanted to make. Thanks for saying it for me so eloquently.

Did you email it to him? Please DO!

[HomerRamone]

9. To those waiting for the Kerry Kavalry: Edward G. Robinson said it best--

"Where's your Messiah now?!" ~(_8^(|)

[GetTheRightVote]

12. Clintons are sell outs, wanting to be a part of the larger picture now

but most to the Dems are sell as well, we need to move on away from them to newer leadership in other parties or parts of this party.

:mad:

They deserted us this time around knowing the truth of a stolen election.

[bluedonkey]

18. I remember 2000 well

One by one these congressmen and women begged for help and not one senator stood up! It was heart breaking then as it was now.Senator Boxer,what a brave soul! What a shame for all the other Democratic Senators not to stand up as ONE and protest this election!
What a shame for Kerry not to stand up and claim what is his!

But all that is old news.It's over and I'm moving on!Forget the Clintons,forget Kerry,forget everything!We have no time for that now.

We are at WAR now! We're in the fight for our country!The sooner you all realize this the sooner you can reorganize.

[mikehiggins]

22. Fat chance

Kerry is gone, gone, gone, and he ain't comin' back.

You have seen how interested/involved he is in this topic.

He didn't even back Boxer.

Give me a break. He's just another D.C. insider with nice credentials. The 70's were soooooo last millenia.

[johan helge]

23. "The evidence is overwhelming."

I thought lack of evidence (e.g. in the New Hampshire and Ohio recounts) was the problem?

Don't get me wrong - I distrust these scumbags as much as anyone.

[Darknyte7]

24. You need to read this John, it's only 343 words...

Man I hope someone gets this to him and he actually reads it.

My favorite part?

Use plain english that they can understand.
Like: I won the election before I lost it.

Very nice...

[fooj]

26. Wow! I loved it! Way to go!

Lets hope he HEARS your message and does something about it!

[Peace Patriot]

28. Daddy aint't gonna fix this for us. We have to do it ourselves.

That's the lesson, in my view. No sense dwelling on national leaders any more. We don't have any--except for the few who stood up Jan. 6, and even they were not able to--did not have the power to--speak the whole truth, and certainly don't have the power to achieve a remedy (restoration of our right to vote!).

We have to recover our right to vote ourselves, locally, state by state. States still have election rules power. Most people would agree that elections should be transparent (and not controlled by Diebold secret source code!). Highly focused, local, grass roots groups, perhaps in alliance with Voters Unite.

Forget John Kerry and the Democrats (except to support the Jan. 6 heroes). If anything, they will permit more erosion of our rights. As far as I'm concerned, they sold our democracy away to BushCon voting machine companies.

[Darknyte7]

31. Kicking...

:kick:

[DearAbby]

33. I am waiting for that man that sat in that chair in front of Congress and

Protested an unjust war in the 1970s...I still believe that man is there, Call me a polyanna, I still believe John Kerry as a leader. But I too am waiting for that man...

[In Truth We Trust]

35. TIA I couldnt agree more! Can you say Duopoly? Can you say complicit?

He is far too intelligent to not know!
No surrender my ass!!

[politicasista]

37. Have you faxed or e-mailed this?

He needs to read this NOW!

[propagandafreegal]

38. It is so obvious that John Kerry threw the election. Even Jackson said

that Kerry was hindering his efforts in Ohio.

[RaulVB]

39. Yes, TIA, I agree

I can't believe that Kerry could think he "lost" the last election and he is doing nothing but "playing nice loser."

[Amaryllis]

40. Kick and kick and kick and kick

[weeve]

41. Man..the best

TIA , you hit it man. Couldn't have said it better. Rock on !

[Lerkfish]

50. well said...

I said something similar in a locked thread, but my language was too abrupt. Thanks for saying it more acceptably.

[TruthIsAll]

52. In this case, we need more talk, less action...

Kerry, you got 51%.

You won FL, OH, NM ....

You won.

Saying you lost is a cop out.