Keith Compares CBS firings (Bush) to MSM SBVT non firings (Kerry).

[fearnobush]

Keith asked the question, why does CBS have to fire people while the rest of the MSM get away with a full month of spewing the SBVT even after they were all debunked.

[RaulVB]

1. Damn good question, isn't? (n/t)

[fearnobush]

4. Absofuckinglutely, And I was just discussing the same pars with a

buddy at work today after the CBS firing story came out.

[proud patriot]

2. Keith Olberman is the Man

:loveya:

[seito]

14. Ummm

I think you need to take that here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2932323

No floatie hearts allowed. lol

[Patsy Stone]

26. lol n/t

[super simian]

31. floaty heart....

:bounce: :loveya: :bounce:
Sorry! Coudn't resist!

[EFerrari]

3. Some idiot woman on CNN announced it this way

"CBS fires four for questioning the president's military service."

Notice, not for blowing the sourcing of the story?

Freudian slip.


edit: morbid dyslexia

[RaulVB]

13. So was due to political reasons, which is illegal

I hope the people fired sue CBS's ass for it.

[EFerrari]

17. Or, it was CNN's translation

We call them "Cr@P Not NEWS!"

[elare]

25. We call them

"Chicken Noodle News"

[EFerrari]

27. lmao!

[mattclearing]

39. I doubt that was a slip.

[Silver Gaia]

50. Yes, that was no slip...

It was a warning. By wording it that way, they send a warning message (from Rove via CNN) to other journalists NOT to question this administration, or else. This is creepy, scary crap. Wish I'd seen Keith last night, dammit. He's got the right of it.

[whistle]

5. Because CBS is the biggest and must be taught a lesson....

....I still believe the source of the so called forged report on Bush's special treatment for National Guard service was KKKarl Rove. If CBS/Dan Rather said anything that libeled the president, why doesn't Bush sue? That would bring the truth out.

[librechik]

6. what is most aggravating is the ABSENCE of reporting

on the fact that OTHER ESTABLISHED SOURCES that are not in question already told the same story about AWOLBush. The fact that he was not there is really not in factual question.

Now the MSM is twisting the story, mostly by saying CBS reported an "untrue" story about Bush in the TANG. That is inaccurate and misleading in itself.

And that CNN "questionisng Bush" story is just chilling.

What a travesty.

[fearnobush]

9. Exactly, non of the MSM remind us that Killian's wife confirmned

the content of the memos saying her husband was all twisted and distraught with pushing this loser Bush guy threw.

[EVDebs]

16. So true whistle...Karl Rove got another story out there and kept

real research from being done...

Karl Rove was behind the J H Hatfield's "Fortunate Son" book info on W's drug use...

""St. Martins Press promised to turn Fortunate Son into “furnace fodder.” It withdrew 70,000 copies from bookshelves and destroyed them. But a small publisher Soft Skull Press reprinted the book with the banner “The Book They Burned is Back.”

Hatfield had previously refused to reveal the source of his information about Bush’s alleged cocaine arrest. He now to decided to name him. He claimed it was none other than Karl Rove, Bush’s closest political adviser.

If Rove did indeed leak the information, he couldn’t have leaked it to a better subject. Soon after publication of the Fortunate Son, Hatfield’s credibility came under fierce attack.""

So, Rove leaks to a guy with a criminal record, how convenient. And this time around Rove leaks "memos" so it should come as no surprise that a source close to Bush provided CBS News with a wild goose to chase...Pure Karl Rove redux ! Unfortunately, no one checked further into Bush's "Lost Year" and community service mentioned....



http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=1965&fcategory_desc=Under

[EFerrari]

19. Gotta get rid of this sinkscum. WE pay his salary. n/t

[EFerrari]

18. Doesn't have to. The machine will do it for him And you're right.

It's classic Rove planting.

[sickinohio]

40. Hmmm - that's a good idea - Maybe we should all get together

on Dumbya's behalf and sue CBS, that way, we can get the truth out??? Just a thought.

:think:

[Amaryllis]

43. class action suit?

[StClone]

7. Iokiyar: it's O.K. if you're a Republican.

There is no hypocrisy, move along nothing to see here.

[BOHICA06]

8. Because instead of reporting ...

what the TX LTC, LT Governor Barnes had to say, they based the punch of their story on four unauthenticated documents with so many wholes in them that you could drive Rush Limbaugh's head through.

And then, they defended the undefendable for 12 days.

Professional suicide.

[fearnobush]

11. So it's ok to defend the Undefendable SBVT on every MSM giving

them way too much air time, saying they lied, then enviting them back to every Goddam show for the next two weeks then saying well maybe the SBVT didn't lie where as CBS memo's Which the Whore house NEVER DENIED AS CONCLUSIVE FAKES TO THIS DAY is a lier from day one.

Media bias to the right wing, don't you love it?

[BOHICA06]

22. When your opposition ...

is beating itself to death, don't stand in their way or distract them. Why would the White House have to say anything ... hell, they probably planted the memos and CBS took the bait.

Rather kept citing unimpeachable but unnamed sources, while the SBVT we out there and readily available for interview in person - a big difference. Little risk in interviewing a live person, lots of risk in having to convince the audience to "trust me" on this one, especially after Jason Blair.

[NAO]

10. How about NYT and entire MSM "oops, we were wrong" on WMD/Iraq

The whole stupid "Rathergate" business is such a flimsy sham!

They blast CBS for not properly vetting the information, and for putting out false information.

But the entire MSM repeatedly put out false, unvetted information about WMD and Iraq. There were even people who were in a position to KNOW (eg Joe Wilson) screaming that it was false, falsified information, but they ignored everything and put it out anyway.

Who got fired for that? Which news outlet got chastised and ridiculed for that?

[EVDebs]

23. Ditto this ! Judith Miller was making a career out of shilling for

Chalabi's b.s. to get into print. Nixon got impeached for abusing intelligence agencies...Bush makes a point of getting 'reelected' for abusing intelligence agencies ! And the War Powers Act of 1973 ? Designed to prevent 'pretexts for war' that were lies... Well, as long as you tell those Texas-sized whoppers ol' buddy you can get away with ANYTHING !

[KaliTracy]

24. Excellent Point -- Excellent point to make in a short LTTE too.. if

anyone would dare print it...

[EVDebs]

52. If you thought that was good, just go back and read post #16

CAREFULLY.

[dave502d]

12. Our Country is sick. n/t

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

55. I _THOUGHT_ the 1960s were "history"

Now, I realize the 60s never ended. Our nation's present rulers are still fighting against the War on Poverty, the Voting Rights Act, the Peace Movement, etc.

I watched an excellent 2-hour documentary on Martin Luther King, Jr. last night and heard how J. Edgar Hoover wiretapped King everywhere then sent incriminating personal information to him to shut him up. Instead, his wife opened the package. Watched another documentary on the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK.

This kind of shit has been going on for a LONG time. I naively thought this was "history." If you colorize those documentaries, it's 2004. The only differences: there are now more of "us," and "they" have ratcheted up the insidiousness and shamelessness of their tactics.

[EFerrari]

15. CNN feedback form

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?39

(Hey, I'd write and tell them you're going to MSNBC, their nearest competitor, because of their biased, or at best unthinking, coverage of both the Swift Boat Liara and the CBS story.

Beth)

[ohioliberal]

20. Is he awesome or what!

He sure gets it straight to the point.

[rainy]

21. I posted the same question earlier today

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[No Exit]

29. Have you read Kitty Kelly's book on the Bush family?

Pls get back to me when you finish it.

Remember Benjamin Ginsberg? He was an attorney for the Bush campaign, but alas, he resigned when it was discovered that he was also representing the Not-Too-Swift Boat people. Oh... I'm sure that was just an unfortunate coincidence. No link there... nothing to see... move along, folks.

Have you ever read the transcripts of the phone conversations btw Chuck Colson and Pres. Nixon, in which Colson says he's found just the guy (John O'Neill of Swift Boats) to put out there to counteract that John Kerry Vietnam-vet- against-the-war guy? Just another unfortunate coincidence, I'm sure...

Have you ever noticed how many veterans are/were in FAVOR of Kerry?
Why are THOSE veterans never listened to?

Did you ever read the Freerepublic thread started right before the election, in which the poster said there was going to be a big Swift Boat event... all the posters were excited and ready to lend a hand... at the last minute, the freeper posted, "I have been ordered to stand down." He never explained WHO had ordered this. So who was really controlling the Swift Boat campaign? Wanna bet?

A little honesty, a little full disclosure, would have maybe helped those guys to just a little credibility. Of course their leader(s) had connections in Texas... oh, just another coincidence. Nothing to see here, move along, folks...

Then, aside from the Not-Too-Swift Boat Veterans, there was that fake photoshopped photo that purported to show Kerry and Fonda together at a podium at an old anti-war rally... I think that was a freeper production, wasn't it? And they say CBS is duplicitous... sheesh.

What the hell is so bad about being against war, anyway? If we had not invaded Iraq when we did, do you actually believe we would have been in grave danger? Why did our Official Reasons for invading Iraq keep changing? Maybe b/c someone didn't really want to tell us the REAL reason we went in?

I say all this as one who had previously voted republican in many a presidential election--including 2000. NEVER AGAIN. When a party tells me that many lies, it's OVER.

Message over. We now return you to your regular propaganda...

[Name removed]

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[No Exit]

36. The "SBVT", as you call it (you seem to know a lot about it),

appeared tainted from the very beginning. Perhaps they should have started an organization that didn't have (a large part of) its origins in Texas.

Go ahead and bask in the glow of the little victory over CBS. Before that, when I would read republican-oriented sites, all I ever heard was "the networks are obsolete and irrelevant nowadays" and "nobody watches them anymore". So I doubt CBS's demise is quite as important as the faithful little people imagine.

What about the content of the "forged documents"? Funny how no one ever got around to asking whether it was true or not. A secretary who typed some of the real, original correspondence came out and said the content was accurate.

The fact is, George W. Bush's handlers, from way back when he first ran for office, knew that his SORRY, PATHETIC military record would be a stumbling block to his success. Now, running against Ann Richards, they didn't have to worry too much--they just started a false rumor that she was a lesbian, and that false rumor served them well. But later, Bush found himself running against John McCain. So his handlers trashed McCain's military record. It was at that point that it became apparent to many that the republicans are the ANTI-VETERAN party. The Bush slime machine was, therefore, well in gear by the time it came time to trash Al Gore's service record. They were old hands at trashing legitimate war veterans by the time they went up against Kerry. If General Patton came back to life and ran against George W. Bush, I'm sure we'd be told (and some naive sheep would believe) that HIS military record was really not all that good compared to George W. Bush's fearless military service. Yes, defending Alabama against Red Blount's senate opponent was truly a fearless military feat on the part of the brave George "Dubya". What a warrior... NOT!

This adminstration is clearly very anti-veteran: look at how they treated Powell, the one major member of it who actually had real military service.

Where was Donald Rumsfeld during Vietnam? WHERE WAS DICK CHENEY during Vietnam? (Answer: too busy appearing to answer DUI charges, to worry about serving his country.)

I don't believe a word that the fanatic, revenge-getting, John O'Neill says.

If you don't believe that having Bush as its candidate is causing the republican party to lose support big-time, let me tell you, I do. I am one of those it lost. There are many others like me. I know this to be a fact b/c I've met many, many people who are as disgusted as I am with republicans.

[rodeodance]

41. apparently there are not yet a critical mass of disqusted Reupublicans

to vote against him~

[No Exit]

42. The only way to reach them is to harness their hate

and build it up until it breaks them loose. For example, look at how successful the Bush regime was in working them up into a frenzy of hatred of all arabs. That created the energy that this corrupt regime now runs on.

So... if you want to take the air out of the sails of a smug, opinionated, Bush republican, just remind him/her that "Bush has thrown open the borders... Bush wants to give amnesty to illegals." That scares them. It's amazing how they turn on him when this point is emphasized. One's own opinion on what should be done about the borders is irrelevant in such an exchange. Just remind them of Bush's primary failing (in their minds). It is the most effective way I've found of cutting them loose from their cult--although it sometimes only cuts them loose temporarily. But it's a starting point.

[Laurab]

32. "I'm just curious"

Why anyone would read a book that was written by * backers to further *'s reign over this country. A book full of "opinions" stated as facts, most of which have been debunked. As for what Kerry did when he got back from Vietnam, since I haven't read the book, I have no idea what it said, but I'm wondering WHOSE historical record it's a matter of.

I doubt very much he was praised for being a leader (although by many, he was certainly considered one), and I myself would not read a book based on lies written to further *'s agenda, nor do I think many on this board would.

It's nice to have an open mind and all, but when a book has been so thorougly debunked as that one, why would one read it?

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[ebayfool]

35. Yeah, I actually read the book. You have a curious take on it, IMHO ...

it IS accurate to say it was completely debunked. I don't see how anyone (nonfreeper, anyway) could say "details relating to the rescue of the GI in the river were questionable, but that's about it." Or "The most damaging parts of the book relate to what Kerry did when he got back from Viet Nam and that is not in dispute - it's a matter of historical record." The 'damaging historical record' you refer to were twisted & taken out of context to suit their talking points. I was around in those days, what Kerry did after he got back was backed up by alot of others that said the same things he did. Do you want to go on record with what you see as to what you are referring to on what "he did"? I'd be very interested to hear them, & how you came to the conclusion that the Swift Boat Liars put out such a truthful book.

(no falling back on saying it's not what the thread is about, either - you put the statement out there ... validate it, please!)

[genieroze]

33. The not to swift boat traitors of lies still can't keep their yaps shut.

[KayLaw]

37. SB Liars and more

What about the way the MSM reported the "trashing of the WH" crock of tookie? They didn't shut up till the former staffers called them out. The picture of the "Proof" of trashing the WH provided was a joke. Boxes of papers stacked in some hallway. Then the captain of Air Force One made it clear the stories of the trashing of the plane were lies when he said a few wine glasses had been broken during turbulence.

Meanwhile, the MSM reported lie after lie as though they were truths.

[flpoljunkie]

38. Yet, cowardly, corrupt M$M gets a pass for cheerleading this nation to war

And CBS takes the fall. Mary Mapes, fired CBS producer says, even now, the documents in question are authentic, and those above her knew everything she knew. I tend to believe her, especially when Thornberg and the AP retired guy said they did not even try to determine whether the documents werre authentic or not. Getouttahere!

[Kota]

44. I think he's the only one who's asked.

It was the first thought that entered my mind when the story came out. Good for Keith.

[McCamy Taylor]

45. Look how low CBS's parent company Viacom has fallen

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleID=CA493472

"CBS parent Viacom Inc. is working overtime to get in the good graces of the White House and the Republican-led Congress.


"In the latest move, the company’s D.C. lobbying shop has hired well-connected Mehlman & Vogel as consultants.

"The move gives Viacom a pair of outside guns with strong ties to both the Bush administration and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn."



I am scared that Keith is next on Karl Rove's Enemie's List.

[AtLiberty]

46. Write FOX News now and ask them...

...when they're going to fire execs and pundits for the swift boat fabrications.

[e-mail]

[McCamy Taylor]

47. Done

Here's what I wrote

To Fox News

Now that CBS News has set new standards for journalism, I believe that you should follow suit and fire the executives and journalists who did not screen the stories of the Swift Boat Veterans before you aired them. Much of what they claimed to be true turned out to be fabrications ( a nice word for lies) created for political purposes). Your news network’s credibility is jeopardy. Until those responsible for this blunder are brought to light and fired, it will impossible for the public to trust any story which you present.

I look forward to your swift action in this matter. I will be forwarding a copy of this email to the appropriate Congressional committee.

[AtLiberty]

48. Great...

...but must we refer to FAUX pundits as journalists? :D

[Coexist]

49. MSNBC vote re: Rathergate

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/

[McCamy Taylor]

51. Done

MSNBC made the mistake of asking for comments. Boy did I give them an eye full. Called them wimps. Told them they should have stuck together to fight the White House, instead they are letting Karl Rove take them out one by one (CBS first for daring to air the Iraq prison abuse scandal), soon they will all fall, Keith Olberman is probably the next target, wished them luck in their next careers and said it is too bad the journalism thing isnt going to work out for them.

They are such a bunch of pussies all of them. You have to have balls to be a journalist. Where are the Tom Paines of the world? CBS could have done investigative reporting to see who sent them the letter. What mega-wimps!

[Blue_In_AK]

53. Done - I also responded

"I believe that CBS was just guilty of trying to commit "journalism" which seems to be sadly lacking nowadays. IF the documents were forged, they were probably a Rove plant just to make CBS look bad after the Abu Ghraib revelations. Why doesn't MSNBC (Keith Olbermann excepted) spend a little time investigating the massive election fraud that millions of people believe took place on November 2? Why do you people have such a hands-off approach to George Bush's crimes? I am thoroughly disgusted with the corporate media."

[rumpel]

54. Why is Novak still on the tube. CNN should have the guts like

Tribune to let him go like Williams was.

[McCamy Taylor]

56. George Will is on the take from Conrad Black and he is still at the Post