What Repubs have said when I've told them about the vote fraud.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

Went to Happy Hour the other night and was talking to some Repubs about the vote fraud. When I said that I thought that Bush had not won, they said "If Kerry won - we wouldn't be saying that. Don't be a sore loser." I told them about the voting machines - which none of them believed "because if that were so - it would have been all over the newspapers." I tried to tell them about media bias and censorship and they reacted as if I was some "conspiracy theorist."

The only thing they would believe was that black voters and other Democratic areas were forced to stand in line for up to 9 hours - which they all agreed was wrong. They actually did seem concerned about that and believed it. I actually think that this was because the media did report on that problem to some extent.

[arcane1]

1. funny... due to Perot, the Repubes were saying Clinton didn't win

since he didn't get more than half the votes, or some such thing


funny how times change :)

[Downtown Hound]

2. "If Kerry won-we wouldn't be saying that."

Have they heard of a little place called Washington and their governor's race?

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. We ALL know they we would be even sorer losers than they are winners, and

that's saying something!

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[mattclearing]

3. The media is a chicken and egg argument to a lot of people.

If they don't report it, it didn't happen.

People don't realize that the media has Jayson Blairs too, and that most reporters are just normal people. They miss things, they make mistakes, and they have to answer to their bosses.

[liberal N proud]

4. They live in a very sheltered shell.

You will never convince them because their boy won.

[SodoffBush]

5. Try to listen to Ray Taliafero on KGO 1-4 a.m. west coast

This week he has been giving entire histories of US foreign policy, with Iran and Iraq in particular. He prefaces his comments, saying that many Americans would be shocked to know what America is doing with their tax dollars and in their name. He said he was shocked when he first found out that US policy was all about profit making and the exploitation of other countries' wealth. He said he was glad he was young when he saw the truth.

The guy is brilliant and has his facts in a row.

[Kurovski]

6. Not only exploitation of wealth,

but of basics like water.

[musette_sf]

8. Sounds like Ray

is feeling the heat from "The Quake". Hard info on KGO! Imagine?

[musette_sf]

7. I am taking the tack with Pubbies that:

1. Voters must be able to verify their registration quickly, easily, and in a timely manner.

2. Voters must be informed of proper polling locations and procedures.

3. Voters must be permitted to vote without impediment.

4. Ballot/voting instructions must be clear and easy to understand.

5. Voters must receive a paper receipt recording their vote.

6. Voters must be able to verify that their vote was counted.

7. The vote must be fully auditable.

So far no one has been able to disagree on this.

[In Truth We Trust]

10. Add this to your approach: Paper ballots NOW! Hand count Now!!

[Wisc Badger]

13. I don't suppose you would consider

8. Voters must provide/show a valid picture I. D. Card so that the possibility of fraud is guarded against, you know the quaint idea of one person and then one vote.

Not the Illinois version of voting.

Sorry this is the recovering Republican in me talking.

[aquart]

9. My own uncle believes it didn't happen because he didn't see it on CNN.

[Kota]

11. Exit polls.

When people hear about the exit polls they start wondering.Why do you think their being kept so secret.

[KansDem]

12. I asked my freeperesque sister about election fraud last week...

She and I don't talk politics, but we suddenly got into a debate on the phone last week.

I asked her about election fraud in general and Ohio specifically and her response was, "Oh, there's been election fraud since George Washington..."

I couldn't believe my ears! Unfortunately, we concluded our call immediately after that statement, so I didn't have a chance to hear her explain that choice remark. I wanted to tell her "Yes, and there's been theft, rape, and murder since Day One, but we still continue to prosecute the malefactors when we catch them..."

But it left me with a extremely pessimistic view of our nation's future...


on edit: So is this the new meme among the right-wingers? That election fraud exists so "so what? Why worry about Ohio?"

[WildClarySage]

15. This was my dad's opinion as well.

And I'm just a naive little girl (at 36- hardly a little girl!) to think otherwise.

[greenmutha]

16. I got that exact same response from an acquaintance of mine.

"There has always been election fraud, and there is nothing we can do to change it." :puke:

How do you even begin to reason with people like this?

On edit for spelling - whoops! :spank:

[New Earth]

17. that's fine. we can just spread the word that

Republicans support election fraud :hi:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. ....and discrimination against blacks, other minorities and the poor

(basically Democratic counties and precincts). They were all horrified when I asked them if they thought that that was ok... "Oh no - THAT'S not right." Then they had a look of concern.

[BanzaiBonnie]

22. That's why civil rights must be the issue.

Dems must not move more to the right. They just have to go back to supporting civil rights!

[Quakerfriend]

18. It is truly scary what the general public believes.

But, just remember, that every time you say just one or two things, you are sowing the seeds.

On a separate note, I always rec'd that they read Worse than Watergate, and The Price of Loyalty- both written by Repug insiders.

[cyberpj]

20. Blame Main Stream Media for not covering the details, only

the sensationalism of election fraud being a conspiracy theory created by internet bloggers.

they could just as well cover the information we've found.

[SueZhope]

21. I told one who is not in love with bush but a Republican

and surprisingly after a bit of kicking and screaming.
I think the part about who owns the machines
and counts the votes, struck a cord.

he said "well that would not surprise me"