Two months and ten days post-election . . . .

[dmac]

. . . and I still stand in awe that is it over - that basically we have been robbed again, that through cleverness and deceit, another coup d'etat has occurred; but the most awesome thing of all, the most unbelievable thing (at least to me) is that the majority of our country has no clue that this has even happened, and/or a goodly portion of those who do know , do not believe it because of the absence of discourse about it in the mainstream media.

I have all but stopped reading the papers because I am too disappointed in their inability to stand up to this subversive force that has taken over our country. When I do read I am stunned at what is deemed newsworthy and/or the point of view reported. What has happened to the journalists I had faith in? Where have they gone? Why have none of them ventured off on their own to report the real news, to bring to light this rape of our democracy? Why, indeed! It seems to me that Rather-gate had more objectives than simply putting good ole Dan Rather in his place. The Rather story and the timing of it secured the media silence as even those journalists I believed in saw the handwriting on the wall. There wasn't a chance in Hell that they would survive professionally if they went out on a limb - they would be scape-goated, just as Rather was, and ruined, not only professionally, but on a human level. I do wish that Rather, as his last hurrah had decided to blow the whistle one last time since everything that could have been taken from him had already been taken. Maybe if he had others would have joined??? It is almost laughable, isn't it? No one could stand with Dan Rather, a world renowned, widely respected journalist throughout the US, because he has been deemed no longer respectable. He was stripped of his dignity and his humanity just before we were stripped of our Democracy.

The news moves on, headlines are made, and I need to know what is going on - even if it is but part of what is going on. Staying here and reading about what occurred, and how people feel about what occurred isn't bringing a revolution. And as far as I can tell, the numbers are not great enough for a real revolution - at least not in my part of the country. Even my staunchest Dem friends have long since moved on and no longer even entertain the thought that anything unusual occurred November 2nd. As far as they are concerned, the majority in our country wanted W for President, and they got W for President, and all of the good, the bad, and the ugly that goes with him. And whether I ever acknowledge the man as my President or not matters little to him and not at all to the world.

Yes, today is the day for me - I must put it all behind me and move forward. Only I no longer know which way is forward. I only know that what I am doing is not at all productive. IF someone, anyone can offer any guidance, it would be greatly appreciated.

DU has been my saving grace and I keep returning, hoping to find what? I am not sure. . . . answers? I guess but in the end, I am not sure there are any real answers here. If this election is allowed to stand as it appears to be, then my reality is so changed that I am no longer sure how to react to my environment. Does that make any sense?

Anyway, thank you for getting me through the initial blow. You really helped save my sanity. Good luck to all of you and if anyone ever needs anything to help with this effort I will do my humble best to assist if I find out about it in time.

[Oversea Visitor]

1. Hmmm.

Did you not hear about the Boxer rebellion on Jan 6th.

[dmac]

24. Oh yes, I heard, I watched, and in spite of that, I was feeling

defeated. But I have spent many hours tonight rethinking this earlier post. I am better now. Sorry.

[ooglymoogly]

2. the feelings of us all

as jon stewart said, "zell miller folks, building a bridge to the eighteenth century." so unfortunately we are moving backward in time. but hopefully we have a chance to rise again in 2006 and turn the clock around a little bit

[Name removed]

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[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Gee, that's nice

:eyes:

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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/

[Der Blaue Engel]

5. Did you add your own definition?

Urbandictionary, as I understand it, is built by whoever happens by to add a definition.

Perhaps we should all head over and add our opinions.

[Granola]

6. Exactly!

[Laurab]

10. Is today trash DU day instead of trash some prominent democrat?

It's a bunch of utter bullshit in my opinion. If you can't find hope here, you're not looking. If you can't find progress, again you're not looking. If you're looking for arguments, of course you can find them. If you choose to take part in them, you should accept that you will be hearing other opinions, sometimes not that politely, I admit.

I look for the positive, myself. I look to see what's being done, and where. I look to find the news about shrubco and the war that I can't find anywhere else. I look to see where I can take action, and I try to help where I can. I find hope here every single frigging day. I find suggestions for actions we can take every single day.

I expected truth to prevail - it didn't. My country is being threatened by the most dangerous man I've ever seen, and lots of people say he was elected president. I want to keep him from doing more damage - that's why I come here. So we're not overthrowing the government. We are increasing awareness, and we are taking actions that will hopefully save our country from becoming a complete dictatorship. Sometimes things don't happen in the timeframe we want them to, but how can anyone give up once they've become aware of what's going on?

If you can leave and find a place where you can accomplish what you wanted to happen, in the timeframe you wanted it to happen in, that's great. Believe me, no one wanted it to happen more than I did.

I'm a realist. I cannot afford to become apathetic and let our democracy be stolen without a fight. If January 6th didn't prove to you that we can, indeed make a difference, nothing will.

I think you find what you're looking for here. It seems some prefer to focus on the negative. I don't. If you find a better place to try and make a real difference, please let me know. I haven't found one yet, and I'm not giving up MY hope. The only real hope I've found has been right here. But, then, that's what I was looking for.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

12. They are just jealous....

How many writers and hosts have mentioned us by name? especially when it came to challenging the vote. Have we heard them mentioned in the press lately? nope, for good reason, while they sat on their asses trying to come up with the best insult, we ignored them and altered the course of US history. They can't stand it, nothing to see there, 'cept that green-eyed monster...

[mikelewis]

7. Damn freepers... lol

Who cares, we know what goes on here. We know the what has been accomplished by the people who post here. Let them say what they like. I'm glad DU exists and hope it will continue to unite people of like thinking for years to come.

[Green Thumb]

9. Geez

Well, the other side did cheat. :grr:

[Granola]

13. Hell yes they cheated

My guess is the minority vote has been kept artificially low all these years by people like Rove and his ilk. Massive voter fraud for the better part of 40 years.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. #7 !! They can slam us all they want... we can take it....

but when they start making Disgusting remarks like that they show their true stripes. They must have forgotten, God sees all, especially inside your heart.
:cry: Kephra - RIP

[bj2110]

8. When I'm feeling really bummed out about it...

I pull out precinct maps, vote totals, and my spreadsheets. I continue to analyze this past election against previous elections, demographics, and inherent trends. I continue the vote fraud work that I started out of the blue with no prior experience, no background, and no idea where it was leading. Eventually, I'll make some conclusions. But, in the meantime, I find it therapeutic to know that I'm investigating something that I think was stolen. I've got a pretty full life outside of vote fraud and DU, but I am eternally grateful that I found this forum in the wake of 11/2. I wish I could spend more time working and digging and being active, but I can only do as much as I can do. The key is to never lose hope that the criminals will be exposed, the administration will be removed, and the election system will get fixed. That's my driving force.

[Granola]

14. Hmm

I got my post deleted, not sure what rule I broke though??? (posting the entire article?) Is the link okay??
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Democratic+Underground

Re: voter fraud I want to know how they can keep it "secret" (or out of MSM) for so long? I mean they couldnt keep the OJ conspiracy secret for 20 minutes and yet they continue to pile on the minorities in this country like Hitler on Jews... the only difference is that instead of gassing them they kill them slowly.

[RevCheesehead]

15. I doubt if you'll last the day, but anyways:

Welcome to DU :hi:
and in advance, goodbye! :hi:

[Green Thumb]

17. Why do you say that?

What did he do wrong?

[New Earth]

16. it's not voter fraud

it's election fraud :hi:

[Granola]

18. isnt voter fraud election fraud?

If you supress votes? Systematic election fraud is what's happening and voter fraud is part of it... but certainly not the only part.

Why would today be my last day? Please do explain...

[New Earth]

19. no

if anything, you might say 'vote fraud', but that still could imply the voter was invovled, which is a rare case.

'voter fraud' is the WORST name to give it, b/c it's not the voters who committed the fraud. it gives people the complete wrong idea.

Election Fraud covers it all - the machine fraud, the suppression of voters, etc.

[Green Thumb]

20. Can you help me out?

I am just now starting to catch up on the election fraud stuff. How exactly did they suppress votes? I need to be able to explain this to some people.

Thanks

[Granola]

21. Okay

Guess I was using them synonomously.

I've read articles suggesting upwards of 40% of the minority vote is supressed IN THIS COUNTRY. Can you imagine how the course of our history would have been changed if we could just get this brought into the open? The freepers couldnt get a alderman elected...

[dmac]

25. You are right and I have been grateful

to have found DU as well. I didn't mean to seem ungrateful because it came at a time when I didn't think I was going to be able to pick myself up.

anyway, after much thought all evening, I say cancel, cancel to this earlier impulse. You guys are stuck with me a while longer. :P

[Amaryllis]

27. I liked your post. I go up and down a lot. I like seeing that others do

that also. Sometimes I get really depressed and other times I feel hopeful and empowered. I like DU because there are a lot of different perspectives and it helps me to clarify mine; to see new ways to look at the whole thing. I'm still figuring out how to be with the fact that Shrub will be inaugurated. I didn't really face that in all the work I was doing leading up to Jan. 6 and now I am having to face it. I kind of put facing it on hold before Jan. 6.

I am working with several groups in my city and we are in the process of identifying next steps now that the big push for the 6th is past. We are connecting with other groups around the state. That gives me hope. DU gives me hope.

Conyers' thank you letter gives me hope:

"I want to thank you for the time and energy you have already given to help me in my pursuit of the truth about the 2004 Presidential election, particularly the truth about what happened in Ohio. I also want to let you know what I will be working on in the coming months.

I believe what we achieved on January 6 will be a seminal event in the history of progressive politics, and significantly advance the cause of electoral reform. For this challenge to Ohio’s electors to have occurred, I owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the internet activists, who spread the story of my efforts and supported me in every way possible. I am also thankful to the alternative media, including talk radio and blogs that gave substantial attention and investigation to these matters when all but a handful in the mainstream media refused to examine the facts. I cannot thank all of you personally, but you know who you are."

We did a pretty amazing thing, as he said, with hardly any help from MSM. We have learned how to organize on the internet!

I am glad you posted the first one and then your updates. I think there are a lot of people going up and down right now.

[earth mom]

22. I feel your pain

I came to DU right after the election and I have to say the past couple of months have been a roller coaster emotionally. It was great to know that so many people cared which filled me with energy and hope. But I crashed on Jan 6th when I saw just how much it's going to take to change things. At this point I have my good days and bad days-sometimes good moments-bad moments-and I hang on by knowing that I am helping if I do my small part one day at a time by getting the word of the election fraud etc. out there. I truly believe that it's the feelings of anger and outrage that will give us all the motivation, energy and bravery we'll need to get the job done.

Meanwhile, don't let people who criticize you on how you're feeling get you down. Your feelings are valid and you are entitled to them. If we could all just accept each other and realize that we're not all boring cookie cutter types like the freepers, we would get so much more accomplished.

[Amaryllis]

28. See post #27. Yes, there were some very positive things that happened

Jan 6, AND I think for many of us, the reality of another inauguration of an illegitimate president became a reality we had to face on that day. Not that I/we didn't know it sooner, but I just put off facing it because there was so much work to do in the big push to get senators to join with the reps, and everything else we were working on, that I just avoided facing it. And before then, I still had a teeny sliver of hope that maybe there would be some miracle at the 11th hour...a real smoking gun or something. I knew that was completely unrealistic but it still lurked in the dim recesses of my mind and I had to put it to rest and accept the unacceptable on Jan. 6.

[dmac]

30. Amen, amen. But at least 1/6 a statement was made, and at least

1/7 was no where near as bleak as 11/3 was. I guess we can count that as progress as well. Regardless it is nice to have some companionship along this mostly lonely highway and nice to have people remind me at times to look at the half full cup instead of the one that appears half empty. And if that is ALL I ever got out of coming here, it would be worth it. Luckily I get much more.

[corbett]

23. We Must Be Related!

Your eloquent post mirrors my sentiments exactly! I have canceled my subscriptions to "Newsweek" and "Time" and sworn off ALL television news. This website has been a true blessing and I will continue to share any insider tidbits which come my way as regard the looming impeachment of the commander-in-chimp.

[dmac]

26. Thanks for the new relative

and also to The Golden Rule for your encouraging words tonight. I am revived and alas, I am back - and THIS TIME I am gonna DO SOMETHING! (suggestions???)

[Amaryllis]

29. Educate as many people as you can and educate your legislators. It is

shocking how many of them are clueless about e-voting perils. don't know what state you are in. I am very lucky to be in a liberal city where I have found like-minded people to work with.

[dmac]

31. Count your blessings on your state . . .

mine is deep south (GA) and my representatives/senators send me (what I consider) condescending responses to every phone call/letter I send (i.e., "thanks for sharing and let me explain to you why you are wrong . . ." (which then boils down to) "it is all about W, W, W! If it isn't pro-W then you are just plain dead wrong" basically). This probably adds much to my feelings of futility at times, as even when I DO something (like write or call), I don't feel it is respected.

[Amaryllis]

36. I do count my blessings. You have my empathy. I am glad you have DU.

[corbett]

39. Easy Suggestion

http://www.cafepress.com/gabriele.16180127

It will provoke conversation. Then, if you can afford it, hand out copies of the Conyers report on CD to those who promise that they'll read it:

http://truthout.org/Conyersreport.pdf

If you like, I even can provide you with a few copies on the CD and a few hard copies of the report.

Call me at 407-855-8574 or send me a private message if you're interested.

[Patsy Stone]

32. Two things

First, I would be remiss in my duty if I did not tell you to watch "Countdown" :loveya:

Secondly, yes, it is true that the media is sick and needs help badly. It is up to us to do that. We must be the media. Also, you know, forget the media. If things happen that supersede the media (court decisions or grand jury testimony or arrests) they'll come around. Only then will people wake up to what they haven't been told.

I believe that the truth will come out sooner rather than later. I believe that we will affect a great change. I believe that the media will be forced to change its ways because of the power of us here and on all the "loony leftist" blogs and message boards.

You must strive to reveal the truth, you must be the media and you must never give up.

[denese]

34. Truth

I am with you Patsy, the truth is a powerful force that has a way of finding the light. It will come out. I have a feeling the tide is starting to turn. Every day more people are waking up.
Every day I am praying and hoping and working for the truth.
denese

[Patsy Stone]

37. Not to go too X-Files on you: The truth is out there!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

NGU

[La Femme]

33. You are not alone.

I agree with everything you said and have thought the exact same things many times over the last few months. Sometimes I feel like screaming in frustration because, away from this board, no one seems to know what's going on. Just remember, you have a "relative" in north Florida. These are strange times we live in....

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

35. Hear hear! Cognitive Dissonance set to '11'...

A big part of the 'weirdness' is the realization that everyone around you, wherever you go, believe a lie of such power it totally turns their world upside down.

Remembering MMO is an important way to retain your sanity.

Means
Motive
Opportunity

We all know that they have all three bases covered. Most people are blind to Means and Opportunity as the Means are all about the esoterics of comp-u-ters, and the Opportunity is wrapped up in planning-for-years to put the right people in the right place at the right time.

Further the ramifications of this level of chicanery and _crime_ go beyond what they can possibly accept for Motive.

Dmac, now that you've got both feet planted in reality, you need to do yourself a favor and start to learn how we got here. Specifically I recommend watching the whole 3 hours of Power of Nightmares by the BBC, and the 43 minutes of the "Rise of the Religious Right" by www.Theocracywatch.org -- in fact you should watch Rise after parts 1 and 2 of PON, and before part 3.

The World is bigger and scarier than I ever realized, once I watched those two videos. Both of which, should be noted, were only released when people thought ** would lose in the last 2 weeks before nov2...

Things are actually worse than you think :(

Good luck!
FULL_METAL_HAT

[StephanieMarie]

38. fool me once, shame on you.

fool me twice, shame on me.
What does that say about the Democrats?