Get a load of this thread on FR. They must be joking...

[Dream of the Flood]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1319763/posts

They have a severely warped view over there. Either they don't see the irony of it all or they've finally woken up. I especially liked the post that suggests a verifiable paper trail. If they were actually interested in fair elections, they would be concerned about Ohio and Florida as well as WA--"Get over it!!" Ha ha. But they still insist in their bizzaro alternate universe and are naive enough to believe that Dems are the crooked ones while Republicans are pillars of virtue. Astounding.

We need to seriously not allow them to turn this issue around for their own political purposes. We are the oppressed. They really are the sorest winners over there. They take Rush's talking points and parrot them back as their war cry "The Dems will do anything to hold on to power" they say even as we stand powerless at the moment. Unbelievable. Do any of those brainwashed people have minds of their own? They should really take to heart another thing Rush often advises them: "Friends, think for yourselves" (which for them really means 'Think what I tell you.' It's good advice if only they actually did.

[pbartch]

1. Severely warped view over there is right. I vote we send all the repukes

to the moon. Let them establish a colony there.

[EC]

7. Don't worry

they're all planning on going to Mars after they rape this earth...

[Cobalt Violet]

2. No none of them have their own minds. They are Bushbots.

Those come without a conscious or a mind.

[pa28]

3. I did look at it.

Hey FR. We would love nothing better than election reform. Nationalized, standardized, paper-trail accountability.

Reality: Republicans have the power to vote it up or down and as long as they benefit the system will stay exactly as it is.

[rumpel]

4. Let's see, who was it, who was actually impeached for "real" crimes?

Last I heard he was a repub not a dem

[bemis12]

14. I dunno, who?

There was Andrew Johnson, who was a democrat in a Republican administration, and Clinton.

Both of those impeachments were merely political exercises, although done for what were technically "crimes".

[libertypirate]

5. Oh what they think won't matter... This is very good!

All the President's Newsmen

ONE day after the co-host Tucker Carlson made his farewell appearance and two days after the new president of CNN made the admirable announcement that he would soon kill the program altogether, a television news miracle occurred: even as it staggered through its last nine yards to the network guillotine, "Crossfire" came up with the worst show in its fabled 23-year history.

This was a half-hour of television so egregious that it makes Jon Stewart's famous pre-election rant seem, if anything, too kind. This time "Crossfire" wasn't just "hurting America," as Mr. Stewart put it, by turning news into a nonsensical gong show. It was unwittingly, or perhaps wittingly, complicit in the cover-up of a scandal.

I do not mean to minimize the CBS News debacle and other recent journalistic outrages at The New York Times and elsewhere. But the Jan. 7 edition of CNN's signature show can stand as an exceptionally ripe paradigm of what is happening to the free flow of information in a country in which a timid news media, the fierce (and often covert) Bush administration propaganda machine, lax and sometimes corrupt journalistic practices, and a celebrity culture all combine to keep the public at many more than six degrees of separation from anything that might resemble the truth.

On this particular "Crossfire," the featured guest was Armstrong Williams, a conservative commentator, talk-show host and newspaper columnist (for papers like The Washington Times and The Detroit Free Press, among many others, according to his Web site). Thanks to investigative reporting by USA Today, he had just been unmasked as the frontman for a scheme in which $240,000 of taxpayers' money was quietly siphoned to him through the Department of Education and a private p.r. firm so that he would "regularly comment" upon (translation: shill for) the Bush administration's No Child Left Behind policy in various media venues during an election year. Given that "Crossfire" was initially conceived as a program for tough interrogation and debate, you'd think that the co-hosts still on duty after Mr. Carlson's departure might try to get some answers about this scandal, whose full contours, I suspect, we are only just beginning to discern.


Oh and it gets much better... much much better...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/16/arts/16rich.html?8hpib=&pagewanted=print&position=

[Erika]

6. How sad

Williams was pimped by the Bush administration for his connections and influence on blacks. To make it worse, paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

[RevCheesehead]

10. CI = Corporate Infomercials

Thank God for Keith -
and for Jon Stewart's words of wisdom to Crossfire!

[livvy]

13. This is an excellent piece.

I read it earlier this morning. You should start a new thread with it. I was going to post it this morning, but since you've already got it here, I won't, so that there isn't a duplicate. It's about time someone in the MSM speaks out! Hopefully more will follow.

Edit: Someone already posted it in the Ed forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x97513

[Dogmudgeon]

8. The RW Position

They have this idea that the Democrats are getting millions of illegal aliens to vote in elections. But to the best of my knowlege, there are a lot of Democrats who also oppose illegal immigration and who would scream bloody murder if it was happening.

Does anyone know what the real numbers are? I doubt that it's happening on a large scale. Even a million illegal alien votes would skew election results to a greater degree than the 4-6% Diebold hack.

--p!
Bring a little rebirth to politics and to Humankind.
Display the Eye of Horus in honor of Scott "Khephra" Lowery and affirm his vision of a renewed America.

[sepia_steel]

9. I'm one of those.

It's safe to call me a liberal. But to me the illegal alien issue is a common sense one. I've signed 2 petitions in front of a target store next to where I grocery shop.

Funny how Target won't let the Salvation Army hang out anymore, but they'll let a conservative petitioner hang out... (I say he's a conservative rep. because he also had a petition to force minors' parents to be notified or need their permission to have abortions, which I am undecided on so I did not sign that). But this is all another story.

My point is, you are right about liberals and the illegal alien issue. I say let people come in droves, but while we help them, they should at least come legally.

[bitchkitty]

11. Deliberately obtuse.

They made the choice to be idiots, and I hope they get everything that they deserve. Goddamn morons.

[sepia_steel]

12. Wtf...

So, they're screaming for what we want, a fair vote, but they call *us* cheaters.





^ This looks pretty straightforward to me. So... wtf am I mising here? Why are we the enemy? Why are we such horrible people for wanting a secure vote, just like they do?

Sheesh.

[ET Awful]

15. So these fools are, as they say "Putting down the guantlet"

challenging US to support election reform, when, in fact, we've been screaming for it for years and being called conspiracy theorists over it?

The Freepers are truly deranged.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

16. sometimes even fools are right

I have to agree with the notion that we ought to be concerned about fraud in Washington state. I don't believe dems stole that election, and I do believe repugs stole a state or two at least in the presidential election. That said, I think it only adds credibility to our case to support efforts to uncover fraud anywhere. Anything fishy we uncover in Washington will get the sanction of the wingnuts and could be useful to apply to other states. Most importantly, we won't look like biased, self-interested politicos. We'll look like the reformers we are.

[meganmonkey]

17. I say let them fight for Election Reform

Let them contact their Senators and Reps. Likely, most Repuke politicians won't fight for reform, and the Dems will, and maybe then they'll figure out why - because they are the cheaters!
Or, they'll convince their Repuke leaders, reform will happen, and then they can see what it's like to lose in a free and fair election! :P

[Laurab]

18. I don't think they're joking

I don't think they're capable of joking. I would love to have them jump on the election fraud issue and harass the hell out of their representives. Their "logic" is stunning: A democrat was actually ELECTED, which to them means fraud is real. With their "logic", if we won one election, there's fraud. Even after a recount.

I love this quote "The Democrat party knows it benefits from fraud, does all it can to make fraud easy to committ, but maintains perfect deniability on the issue making finding a smoking gun impossible." I can't believe one of them thought it up themselves, though.

Damn, if we benefit from fraud, I'd like to see where. We sure aren't very good at it. But if they're convinced that we benefit from fraud, I'm all for them believing that, and asking for election reform. Somehow I don't think they'll be encouraged by the * regime though.