The exact time of the "fix" here, live, for all of you

[RaulVB]

Exhibit "A":

* Ken Mehlman "rethug" campaign manager, says that actually "rethugs" are voting at the same time when the exit polls are giving the victory to Kerry!

LATER HE CHANGED THE MANTRA AND SAID THAT REPUBLICANS SHOWED UP TO VOTE ALMOST AT CLOSING TIME.

"They say, in each case, the actual vote patterns show a larger Republican vote than is represented in the exit-poll data. The campaign manager, Ken Mehlman, was particularly excited about some the data that they were seeing in Florida. ..."

Exhibit "B":

AT 4:15 PM NETWORKS KNEW KERRY WAS BEATING "*" IN FLORIDA. THE LATER "SHIFT" FOR "*" IS IMPOSSIBLE.

"Why allow Myers to say "exit-poll data is significantly underrepresenting the Republican vote" but not let her speak the less cryptic truth that "the 4:15 p.m. exit-poll numbers from Florida show Kerry winning 51-49, a number the Bush campaign refutes"? This only begins to give you an idea of how arbitrary and silly the networks' rules are."

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109134/

Great job by "Slate" magazine playing the naysayer role while giving proof of the fraud.

Thanks guys!

[RaulVB]

1. "Historic" kick (n/t)

[k8conant]

2. The day after in Washington Post online forum

Comments and Emphasis by k8conant

Transcript
Managing Editor Steve Coll

Steve Coll
Washington Post Managing Editor
Wednesday, November 3, 2004; 12:00 PM

This Week: Washington Post Managing Editor Steve Coll, was online Wednesday, Nov. 3, at Noon ET to take your questions and comments about Post coverage of Election 2004
Look at this:
Charlottesville, Va.: What about the possibility that the exit polls are right and the vote count is wrong?...

Steve Coll: I see no possibility that the exit polls were right and the vote count was wrong. I see lots of reason to think that -- again, as they have often been in the past -- the exit polls were badly flawed. ...You can be sure we'll be asking that question pointedly in the days ahead, as well as producing stories for readers about the issues.

_______________________

Washington, D.C.: I don't understand The Post's polling numbers, because they contradict each other. Looking at the math according to different demographic groups, it simply doesn't add up. According to your breakdowns with regard to gender, party affiliation, ideology, region and 2000 presidential vote, Kerry has a clear statistical lead. Yet according to religious affiliation and perhaps issues, Bush wins. What's going on here? Why the statistical contradictions?

Steve Coll: The exit poll numbers we have paid for and been provided simply do not add up. They are internally inconsistent in important ways. They also are out of whack with voting results in ways that are difficult to explain. ...We need to review questions such as this one in greater depth, although one's confidence that it will ever be possible to conduct accurate exit polls in the heat of a campaignsuch as the one we just had has to be shaken. Aren't exit polls conducted during the election not the campaign?
...
Demarest, N.J.: Back to the exit polls -- because I think a lot of Americans like me, disturbed by the high level of sleaze and dirty tricks from the Bush people during the campaign, had real worries about a fair vote. ..

Imagine for a moment that the exit polls are basically right -- or right within some margin: Kerry did better than Bush. Imagine furthermore that, as many computer experts feared about the Diebold and other electronic voting machines, a portion of the "official" vote count was rigged. ..

Is anyone going to correlate exit-poll errors with precincts that use the new electronic voting machines to see if there's a pattern, to wit: in precincts where there's no paper trail and no way of conducting a recount, Bush outdid expectations; in other precincts, results more or less matched exit polls?

... to make sure we're not seeing another stolen election. I'd rather not have to wait until Jeffrey Toobin's next book to discover I've been slimed again.

Steve Coll: Well, I don't want to write off legitimate questions about the integrity of the voting system. But turn the question around: Which is more likely -- that an exit polling system that has been consistently wrong and troubled turned out to be wrong and troubled again, or that a vast conspiracy carried out by scores and scores of county and state election officials was successfully carried off to distort millions of American votes? I think the Kerry campaign concluded that the former is what happened. But we'll keep our eyes open for hard evidence of abuse, and we won't be afraid to investigate if we see something significant.
:kick:

[RaulVB]

3. Steve Coll is, IMO, a key witness

Probably the most relevant one...

[Carolab]

4. Why? He is obviously an administration tool and will lie for them.

Also, he has nothing in his background to make him an expert in the subject of exit polls. He write about Asia and the Iraq war.

[RaulVB]

5. He SAW THE NUMBERS (n/t)

[Carolab]

6. Understand, but will he testify? And tell the truth? n/t

[RaulVB]

7. Under oath he will think twice before lying

And, you blast him with evidence and he'll "sing"

Subpoena, easy.

[Carolab]

8. Have you suggested it yet?

Sent it to Arnebeck? Conyers?

[RaulVB]

10. I did

I've sent emails and letters.

They're probably "fed up"...:evilgrin:

[rdmccur]

9. Coll's statement that

"that an exit polling system that has been consistently wrong and troubled turned out to be wrong and troubled again" is not supported in facts.

[RaulVB]

11. Yep, that is false (n/t)

[NationalEnquirer]

12. This stuff makes my head hurt.

I'm glad you guys are onto it.
I hope that in a few months, someone produces THE definitive document exposing the fraud.

[Shalom]

13. Time to Take Over the "Reality Studios"....

There are some people we can never convince, and who only respond to who is in charge of the TV "Political Reality Production".

We need to find a way to throw Karl Rove and Bushitler out of their virtual reality studio, on the street so they can "mingle" with some REAL Americans, and so that we can start broadcasting a little reality of our own.

[berniew1]

14. There wasn't just a specific time when fraud occurred in Florida; it was

happening all day long and there were widespread dirty tricks to reduce votes in minority precincts as well.
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
http://www.flcv.com/dirtytrf.html
http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFLa.html
http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla2.html

These were all documented by the thousands of iregularities reported to the election hotline in these counties.
at www.voteprotect.org

[fearnobush]

15. Kick

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[Democrat Dragon]

16. Whadaminit....

"LATER HE CHANGED THE MANTRA AND SAID THAT REPUBLICANS SHOWED UP TO VOTE ALMOST AT CLOSING TIME."

Who was it that waiting in line late at night? Who was who was waiting in line that cold and rainy night? WHO WAS IT WHO HAD TO WAIT IN LINE FOR EIGHT HOURS AND VOTED ALMOST AT CLOSING TIME IN BATTLEGROUND AND HIGLY POPULATED STATES?

It was the minorities and college students, stupid!

[RaulVB]

17. This is the "rethug scoop",

The "rethug" voters "have jobs", then they went to vote "after work..."

The "rethug" voters WHO weren't working, "were playing golf", after golf-day was over, they "went to vote..."

I'm not joking. The corporate media HAS REPORTED IT THAT WAY!