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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 01:08 PM Original message |
Snohomish county, Washington - evidence of systematic machine fraud |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Does fraud for/by repubs mean we need another election? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Ironically, WA Repugs want a re-vote |
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dmac (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. So, lots of us |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The Repugs hope to find 129 or more questionable votes |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Paper ballots, hand recount. Gregoire wins by a much larger margin. |
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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. kick - check it out...important stuff. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Clarification |
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d.l.Green (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Playing devil's advocate, |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. I hope all this evidence is making it's way to Conyers as he is |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. Questions |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Audit logs are internal computer records |
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dbDESIGN (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The software could behave differently |
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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Agree, we need to see the source code... |
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dbDESIGN (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Sorry, I don't know. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 05:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. The main thing is that the party holding back information is the |
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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 06:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Interesting... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Rules on spoliation vary from state to state |
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d.l.Green (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. But wouldn't the proprietary nature |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. No, but the judge might enter a protective order for nondisclosure n/t |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. or otherwise limit what has to be produced n/t |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. I don't see how the standards for "auditability" set by HAVA are met. |
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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. When it's not such a far fetched possibility... |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes; this is one strategy that should be considered as probable... |
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tex-wyo-dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yes...one problem is that most people are not technically savvy... |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Like I've said before: "a child can pull the trigger on a AK-47"... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. More data on screen calibration to come n/t |
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d.l.Green (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Only solution, back to paper ballots with receipts n/t |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-05 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
21. Many machines in Snohomish were programmed Default to Bush |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-15-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Thanks berniew1 n/t |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
29. New Data on When Screen Problems are "Fixed" |
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LeeB (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. "vote switching" |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Thanks, yes, "vote switching" is when a diff candidate gets checked |
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dbDESIGN (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
31. The visibility of the vote switching puzzles me |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Visibility of vote switching: why visible if fraud the intent? |
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Wrinkle_In_Time (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Plausible deniability? |
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dbDESIGN (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 06:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Sounds like a hide-in-plain-site plan |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. 'Spose it could be that too n/t |
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LeeB (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-16-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Definitely a golden opportunity . . . |
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Ryder911 (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-05 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
39. I once owned a touch-screen kiosk company and... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-05 01:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. excellent post, thanks for the input Ryder n/t |
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Ryder911 (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-05 10:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. thanks. /eom |
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