Please tell me that someone/somewhere collected massive voting data?

[lostnfound]

Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I seem to recall that bbv.org or Bev Harris had put out a call for people to prepare to join in an effort to download copies of preliminary election data. For the first few days after the election, I downloaded data from a couple of counties in Florida, but I never imagined that it would be hard to find later.

That is, the various county election sites have got final, certified election data, but in many cases the original data may be more incriminating.

I have a sickening feeling that the people that I thought were going to collect such stuff didn't, or that it's not available for analysis. Is anyone here more hopeful, about the existence of collections of such data?

[liberal N proud]

1. I do know there is an effort to collect all discrepencies but I can not

tell you who.
I heard a converstation and acutally was part of it for few minutes at a recent meeting, but I did not get a change to get the persons name or contact info. Sorry for that part.
But I did want to pass on that it is taking place.
Watch for details.

[KoKo]

2. I know what you mean. It's very quiet out there.

Bev Harris has seemingly "imploded" and is DOA here on DU and I guess we are waiting to hear how the lawsuits wind their way through Ohio.

Apparently NM is contentious but Democratic Gov. Richardson has sort of closed down much in the way of recounts unless an appeal can be made to the Feds...and Florida seems dead even though there was a FOIA request.

I guess we had a great success in WA...if the Repugs don't overturn that with more shenanigans.

But..it's kind of quiet. Maybe that's good...I don't know. :shrug:

[dmac]

15. I thought NM was definitely a dead issue because they

scrubbed the voting machines, right? I know it was appealed but lost round 2 and I thought the scrubbing has already occurred. Does anyone know if this is right?

[skids]

3. Can't help with this year...

But future elections will be different. USCountVotes.org is preparing to start mirroring election sites. If you'd like to help them out, visit their website and sign up on a few of the mailing lists where you think you fit best.

[KaliTracy]

4. there is at least one on Ohio that is more comprehensive than I can

honestly understand http://www.jqjacobs.net/bush/xls/ohio.html

[troubleinwinter]

5. Bev Harris supposedly sent FOIA to 3,000 counties.

As far as I've been able to determine, zero resulting information has been posted at all. Not even a note about how many counties have vs. have not complied.

There may be other places that folks can lead you, but BBV.org does NOT seem to be it.

[Kelvin Mace]

6. I will be asking for folks in NC to help out soon

The Select Committee on Electronic Voting is going to recommend that the General Assembly outlaw voting machines that do not produce a paper ballots at the time a vote is cast. Once this happens, the BBV yakuza will start lobbying hard to keep it from becoming law and will try to gut other provisions (civil and criminal penalties for vendor misconduct, bonding requirement, must have an office in state to do business).

I will be asking for all NC citizens to lean on their legislators to keep the bill intact.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

[troubleinwinter]

10. A LOT of rugged fights ahead. Going to take hard lobbying and lots

of work on OUR side.

[lostnfound]

8. Yep, and if you see that some organization seems to have it handled,

you think "okay, glad someone has got that covered" and you work on something else.

Then you wake up to find that someone never had it covered at all, and you get the sinking feeling..

[berniew1]

7. If found compare it to the evidence of fraud in most states- doc.

in most states: summary of some of the documentation
Florida http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
http://www.flcv.com/dirtytrf.html
http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla.html http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla2.html
Ohio http://www.northnet.org/minstrel/alpage.htm
www.freepress.org departments
http://www.flcv.com/cuyahoga.html
New Mexico http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf
http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html
Pennsylvania http://www.flcv.com/mercerco.html
http://www.flcv.com/philaddt.html
http://www.flcv.com/philadel.html
Texas http://www.flcv.com/texas.html
Lousisiana http://www.flcv.com/neworlea.html
Georgia http://www.flcv.com/claytong.html
New York http://www.flcv.com/NewYork.html
New Jersey http://www.flcv.com/njersey.html
Washington http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html
South Carolina http://www.flcv.com/southcar.html
North Carolina http://www.flcv.com/northcar.html
Virginia http://www.flcv.com/fairfax.html
and default straight Dem Ticket to Bush in
Wisconsin,Indiana,North Carolina,South Carolina,Texas,etc.
(I have files on these also)
and for other states not given here
www.votersunite.org state and messups
www.voteprotect.org maps/state/county use filter for key word
www.freepress.org departments see articles

[lostnfound]

9. I keep expecting an answer like "here's a link to the nationwide database"

and I'm amazed that there doesn't seem to be one.

Thanks for the links, berniew1. I'm going to check them out.

[harmonyguy]

11. Well it ain't quite a nationwide database, but.....

On the night of the election and for numerous days after, I somewhat regularly captured the election reports from the web-sites of many different states and individual counties. States captured included Ohio, Georgia, Pennsylvania, California, Texas, New Mexico, Missouri and Washington, with additional reports for selected individual counties in each of those states plus individual counties in Iowa, Colorado, Wisconsin, Nebraska and a few others.

To give you an idea of the number of readings for these locations, have a look at the Ohio Secretary of State data which is currently online at www.bpac.info - ( the link to the archive is in the upper right corner of their home page.) HUGE thanks to IndyOp for hosting this !!

While still working on analysing specific locations, I have been unable to fully catalog WHAT I've got and how many datapoints I have for each location. To put it into perspective the New Mexico precinct by precinct data ended up being just over 18,000 individual files. (massive enough for you?) The quality, quantity and depth of the data varies significantly for each site, but by the end each datapoint was running just over 80Mb.

If there are specific locations for which you need data, let me know and I'll see what I've got. And before someone says everything, everything ain't going to happen until I get time - in the meantime - I'm glad to handle specific requests.

If I can be of help - shout.
HG

[Melissa G]

12. kick for hg

[harmonyguy]

13. Ouch ! Thanks - I needed that. n/t

[harmonyguy]

14. Sorely needed kick... nt

[Blue22]

16. I just transferred Ohio vote reports to Excel Sheet

Harmony, Thanks for the info. I just downloaded and transferred all of the Ohio reports to a single Excel spreadsheet and am cleaning them up (e.g., standardizing the order of the ballot names withing each county for each reporting time period). I will be finished by the weekend. This will make a nice database for trend analysis in Excel. I didn't know if you had already formatted the data like this. If you or anyone else would like a copy let me know.

Question: Do you have any chronology of how Ohio SOS was loading this data in case we need to explain an anomaly?

[harmonyguy]

17. Oops, been there, done that.

Actually, Ohio was the first state I loaded into Excel. Having to re-sort the names was a pain at first but thank heaven for macros in Excel. Used conditional formatting to highlight the points where the vote counts dropped instead of increased, and to indicate points where the data changed from the prior readings.

I'm not sure I understand your question on a chronology? I have no indications of when they loaded the data, only indications of when I read it, if that answers it. The times are all CST, and some may vary as much as 10-20 minutes from the stated time, simply because of the volume of files (1700 files per datapoint) I was capturing.

It was an interesting exercise, and VERY revealing.
HG

[Blue22]

23. Any way to obtain the Excel version of the poll reports?

OK. I suspected as much. No problem. It was very therapeutic. Is there anyway to obtain a copy of the Excel sheet for Ohio so I can skip the standardization step? Any types of analysis that you'd like to share so I could either avoid them or replicate them? By chronology, I meant was there any standard routine to loading the site, e.g. first 99 percent of precincts reporting signified Tuesday votes, and final 1% always referred to hand counted/absentee/residual or whatever.

[super simian]

18. Volunteer training in the SF Valley

I went to a volunteer training session in Northridge before the election and we were told that the Democratic Party had a centralized computer system where all irregularities would be reported nationwide. However I have not heard anything about this centralized computer system since the election, except what Kerry told us about his team of lawyers, that they had not uncovered sufficient evidence, etc. On Daily Kos I repeatedly asked about this database after the election, but never got any replies. If there was such a database, and they did not uncover sufficient evidence of fraud to question the results of this election, then we should truly be getting out our tinfoil hats and wearing them to work every day.

[harmonyguy]

19. Not the party, I don't think....

I'm not aware of the party having anything like that but I believe that there were a number of other organizations that compiled data on incidents. One of them is at https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapNation

Hope that helps.
HG

[super simian]

20. But I distinctly remember...

... the attorney who was leading the session, and how reassuring the story about this databse was to me. Was it a deception, or whatever happened to this database? :shrug:

[harmonyguy]

21. If it was a local lawyer...

...you might want to try to get hold of him and see to what he was referring.

Otherwise it might be worthwhile starting a new thread with the question.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
HG:(

[super simian]

22. That is a great suggestion...

...and I will follow it up with an inquiry to Democratic headquarters in the SF Valley. I will get back to you if I can get any response.