So many people post PROOF OF FRAUD here -

[cyberpj]

how can there be so much PROOF OF FRAUD freely posted online here that is not being sent to the people doing the investigating?

Isn't proof proof? No matter who's looking at it? If it's obvious to the posters and readers here, is there no one who can understand it out there?

Is is just that no one is actually looking for it now or is it that we're not sending the right charts, graphs and information to the right people?

I just don't understand how there can be all the proof here but no one does anything about it.

Sorry - I'm having a really bad day.....:cry:

[meganmonkey]

1. First off, cheer up!

Second, rest assured that the stuff is getting where it needs to get. And remember that investigations of this magnitude take a long time and a lot of patience.

We have some great people on our side, and there ARE things being done.
For starters, the GAO investigation, Conyers, Arnebeck & Fitrakis are working their asses off gathering evidence. There is still at least one (maybe 2?) lawsuit still pending.

Watergate took a while to really break. And we don't have anyone at the Post reporting on this. So we need to let it take its course and keep plugging away.

Remember, too, that if everyone gives up and decides that it will never change, if everyone stops encouraging the leaders who are working on this, then nothing will change.

I, for one, would rather try and fail than not try at all.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!

:hug:

[cyberpj]

3. Thanks....... I needed that.

It's so good that we're all here for each other so that one can be strong when another gets wobbly. Usually I'm a strong one, giving just the advice you gave. Today I really needed you.

I think all the TV coverage of preparation for the coronation on top of the timely release of today's aricles on the exit polls just overwhelmed me.

Picking self up.
Dusting self off.
Turning off news channels.

THANK YOU MEGANMONKEY! :hi:

[meganmonkey]

5. No problem, cyberpj!

I'm glad I could help! And I have wobbly days too, so I completely understand. It is a tough struggle to be the underdogs all the time, but we need to stick together, and I truly believe it will be worth it in the long run.

:hi:

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Do yourself a favor

Turn off the TV Turn off the crap! :-)

[signmike]

7. "Rather try and fail than not try..."

One of the greatest movie moments of all time to me is when Randall Patrick McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) in "One Flew Over The Cucko's Nest" damn near busts a gut trying to lift that enormous water therapy machine and loses all the bets, then says "I tried, Goddamnit, at least I did that."


Then again...he was the crazy guy.:crazy:

[meganmonkey]

10. Well, I've been called crazy more than once!

;)

[papau]

2. Stat Proof is deemed no proof - as with cigs and cancer for 45 yrs - then

all incident videos and Kerry recorded as Bush proof are call "isolated" incidents.

And election folks acting wierd and destroying evidence is called "normal procedure - getting ready for next election".

Then Diebold and other employees running around changing numbers and code are also called "isolated" incidents where we do not know what exactly they did.



In election theft there can be no proof unless we publish the program and have confessions - at least per our media.

[euler]

4. Those damn exit polls

When someone on the outside,(for example, MSM), checks into all the allegations of fraud, they see that a large number of the allegations are based on analysis of exit polls. Yet, MSM has been sanctioning exit polls for years, and the large media outlets have their exit poll experts on staff, or at the very least, they have experts at their disposal. It's very likely that MSM consulted their experts, and the experts probably told them that the exit poll analysis being done is simply bunk (Yes, I'm including the output from Freeman, Simon, Baiman and others). With the huge amount of exit poll bunk being posted here, it's not surprising they would not see or even ignore other evidence, that would have been more prominent had we not gotten side tracked with exit polls.

We keep shooting ourselves in the foot. That's my theory as to why we are ignored.

[cyberpj]

6. But when it came to The Ukraine - Exit polls ruled!

I don't remember anyone spending any time at all on long, drawn-out analysis or explanations... The Ukraine election was believed to be a fraud because of the exit polling.

I know, I know...
It just served US purposes then.

I think I'm most disappointed that so many Americans are so stupored.

[qwghlmian]

8. If the only "proof" of Ukrainian fraud was

the exit polls, there would have been no re-vote etc.

What caused the wide-spread revolt after the Ukraine election was documented, blatant, massive fraud. The exit polls were an indication, maybe, but certainly not "proof". Videos of people beating up voters and election workers, documentation of acid poured into ballot boxes, of massive multiple voting, and of giving people disappearing ink pens to fill out the ballots - that was proof.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/28/wukra28.xml

[cyberpj]

9. Thankyou. Guess I'm pretty stupored myself about that one. eom.

[marions ghost]

11. yes in America voter intimidation, suppression,

and vote-rigging can't be so obvious--which is why it takes more T.I.M.E. And money. And investigations.

Ukraine --makes u wish for paper ballots and boxes where acid could be poured. In USA BBV -- only electronic traces that only "experts" can find. And people who run the systems clueless or complicit. Don't need disappearing pens here--not with e-vote counting, even where paper ballots exist. "evidence" will look different here.

[papau]

13. Good Grief - did we pay the "actors" in those videos! - and US videos were

not even looked at as their were of isolated incidentes and di not matter.

There was no wide-spread revolt - the wtong set of oil barons had won - the Russian ones - and our side did indeed have a majority.

As usual the oil guys on our side played the ethnic card and told folks that the non-Russian folks in the Ukraine were they were being made to lose because (read the "western" oil candidate) candidate that lost was a non-Russian.

You had bad guys against bad guys - granted the Russian side appeared to have poison the other guy - but I wonder if that was fake.

The only good result was the fact that the majority did in the end prevail.

But it was not a documented, blatant, massive fraud that got the revote (albeit that there was documented, blatant, massive fraud) - when the same happens in the US, all you hear is "isolated incidents"

[Bill Bored]

12. Same reason why people bitch here and don't write to their reps.

Of course I assume some do both!