ABC News shows protestors trying to break down fence

[redacted]

at "Freedom Plaza"

[NVMojo]

1. it's so hard to contain the rage .....

[HEAVYHEART]

2. YES!

:bounce:

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. A riot will give them an excuse they need to

take your rights away, the few that remain

[MadisonProgressive]

4. Yeah, well just let them try to take them away!!

(he mutters as he farts, scratches his balls, and takes another guzzle of beer)

[meganmonkey]

14. LOL

:)

[tx_dem41]

5. Non-violence, people!

Its the way Gandhi toppled the entire British empire.

People need to learn to conduct and participate in an effective protest. If this report is true...very sad and non-productive for our cause.

[Jackpine Radical]

8. Nonviolence as a strategy is predicated on the assumption

that your opponent has some vestige of a conscience. Think of the Chinese tank driver at Tienanminh Square, who STOPPED! Think of the British, who wouldn't (usually) fire on unarmed masses.

Now think about Bush.

[tx_dem41]

11. Actually, its predicated on the exact opposite....

Think of the Amritsar Massacre of 1919 and Bull Connor releasing the dogs and fire hoses on school children in Birmingham. These are the images that topple empires. Nonviolence!

[Jackpine Radical]

30. Well, yeah, but

it has to PLAY to an audience with a conscience.

The average American doesn't seem to qualify any more. Abu Ghraib is a frat party, Gitmo is a summer camp, & Gonzales gets away with advocating an official torture policy.

[redacted]

9. "If this report is true"

What? Are you suggesting that what I just saw on ABC moments ago wasn't actually happening, or that I just made this up?

[tx_dem41]

12. Peace...

You took it the wrong way (and I worded it awkwardly). We are together on this one. Sorry I stated it the wrong way.

[Der Blaue Engel]

13. What I saw

was that someone who may actually have been from the police side broke down part of the barrier. It looked as though the cops were trying to yank someone out. Don't know who they were targeting, but they had hoses and were spraying and shoving people back.

It's almost always the police who start the violence.

[tx_dem41]

15. Thank you for your report. n/t

[Der Blaue Engel]

21. Looks like I was mistaken

This thread says that wasn't a water hose, it was PEPPER SPRAY.

:scared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2980146

[redacted]

6. "Words about freedom in speech don't match SWAT team images"

being broadcast around the world, said Tavis as the camera panned.

[CottonBear]

7. Tavis Smiley? n/t

[redacted]

10. Tavis Smiley?

I'd assume so. Jennings called the commentator making the remarks "Tavis."

[demodonkey]

16. Eggs (protesters) and "Chemical Agent" (police) flying! ABC

[Quakerfriend]

17. What's happening?? Tell us more,please!

[redacted]

18. Looks like a bonfire and pepper spray

on ABC at the protest site. I hope they don't do anything stupid.

George Will: "A military operation more befitting of a banana republic. . ."

[jsascj]

19. SOB

getting out of the car.
I HATE him

[redacted]

20. "Not a very nice feeling on the streets"

Peter Jenning's words. ABC commentators also talking now about tanks in the streets and the WWF announcer barking at the crowd, and how this looks very bad. . .

[EFerrari]

24. Tanks?! n/t

[ynksnewyork2]

22. you belong

in jail if you start vandalizing stuff and being violent. It's just not cool.

[Chi]

23. Don't blame them.....

They are just following the example set by our President.
They police looked liked they were gonna get violent, the crowd just preempted them.
8)

[tx_dem41]

26. Its a shame and a sad comment...

That you feel Democrats should (and are justified) in following *'s examples. I'm starting to think some of us actually admire the guy when I hear such things.

[Chi]

27. Uh huh

I'm starting to feel some of us admire him as well.
And that is truly very sad.
Admiring anyone who advocates torture is pathetic and naive.

[tx_dem41]

29. Or someone who commits violence preemptively....

...as you stated (advocated?) in your earlier post.

[Chi]

31. Preemptive violence has it's place......

My first post was sarcasm.

But here are two questions.....
If you had the power to order a preemptive on the Japanese naval forces
the week before Pearl Harbor, and you also had the intell. to convince you it was imminent, would you order the attack?

If you knew Thomas Jefferson in 1775, would you advocate not taking up arms against the British?

In my opinion these are events in history that necessitated the use of force, unlike the incompetence and arrogance of the current administration in their handling of Iraq.

(is that Oswald on your posts?)

[tx_dem41]

32. Goodness, I hope not.

I assumed it was Kerouac.

As for your two examples, I do think the term "imminent" is important when considering Pearl Harbor. So we have no argument there.

As for the TJ in 1775 scenario, I don't think the analogy fits. The American Revolution should be considered as we defending against an invading force. Any taking up of arms was not an invasion, but a defense of our soil...IMO.

[Chi]

33. Thats too damn funny...

Thats too damn funny..I thought a poet was Oswald, heh.
(I had to look up 'Kerouac' in order find that out)
It still looks like Oswald though, considering your screen name (and city) you might wanna be sure ;)

Thnx for answering the questions, it gave me a much better feel of where you are/were coming from. I had you pegged for something your not, which should explain my first post, sorry.
(as for the first poster, the jury is still out)

I do not normally advocate violence, but would support it in defense of my rights. Or more specificly...if a group of people found a way to steal the Presidency OTUS, I would advocate any means that were necessary in order to reveal their designs and actions.

From the little I know of him, I think Hemingway would agree.

[anaxarchos]

25. You mean like invading Iraq...

..and blowing up half the country? I never thought about it like that.
Very uncool.

[zann725]

28. Trying to GAIN their Freedom at Freedom Plaza? How ironic indeed.

In a Democracy, the problem IS???