"Why are they so afraid of this guy?..."

[RaulVB]

I overheard that imbecil Scarborough tonight saying that HIMSELF about the Republicans on Congress. GET THIS:

""*" IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE, WHATEVER HE IS, THAT IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!"

Internal revolt folks, CIVIL WAR COMING within the regime, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HATES THE REGIME AND THE RATS ARE LEAVING THE SHIP ALREADY!

Oh boy, please, let's help the democrats to UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN WIPE OUT THE REPUBLICANS FROM AMERICAN POLITICS!

Is so close, guys.

[purduejake]

1. Wishful thinking...

but the neocons run the election system at this point and it is unlikely to change.

[RaulVB]

2. The necons are pursuing a RADICAL, SUICIDAL AGENDA

The Republican Party will be destroyed by "*" and WE MUST HELP THE OTHERS to bail out if they want. There are guys that are afraid of crossing paths with the regime, that's all.

Few more disasters and you'll see!

[euler]

7. Ahhhhh....

....the crystal ball argument - nice.

[MarkusQ]

19. As a Republican, I agree 100%

Most of the other Republicans I run into don't like Bush. Just this afternoon I was in a sandwich shop and the guys behind the counter were arguing politics (they're both Republicans, as are the majority of the people around here). I asked what the issue was, and one of them pointed his thumb at the other and said "He's turning liberal on us."

The second guy laughed and said "Just because I don't like Bush..."

I interrupted and said "Heck, I don't like Bush. I'm a conservative."

1st guy: "What do you mean by that? Bush is a conservative."

I said: "Well he spends like a liberal. He runs his mouth off like a liberal. He sure isn't 'conservative' about getting our boys into trouble without any idea how to get them out. Goldwater, now he was a conservative. Ronny was a conservative. Bush is just a hot headed Texan that like spending other people's money."

2nd guy: "That's what I was saying."

1st guy: "Ok, I guess you got a point there. But he's still our President."

Me: "And you'll keep saying that until he gets a blow job."

They both laughed and I walked out. People loved RR. They accepted GHWB. But "W"? I'm just not seeing his "political capital" on the street.

--MarkusQ

[RaulVB]

20. Exactly, thanks for your comments

The guy is a radical fanatic, period.

Republicans (real ones) just don't know how to handle him.

[floridadem30]

21. thanks for the info it is nice to know what all people think and

not just democrats. I try to understand others perspectives so maybe I can help them to understand mine.

[Amaryllis]

23. I don't get the conservative label. No one has ever been less fiscally

conservative, and he is about as radical as they come.

BTW, have you read these articles by Chuck Herrin?
http://www.chuckherrin.com/ConservativeEmpathy.htm
Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives: Why the Democrats Are Still Whining About the Election (and Why Maybe We Should Be, Too)

http://www.chuckherrin.com/LiberalEmpathy.htm
Empathy Training for Liberals: A Primer on the Conservative Mind, From the Inside of One.

He is extremely insightful and frames the whole issue in a way that brings us together as Americans, rather than us vs. them, one political partya against another.
NeoCons call "Check" on Democracy - Mate in Four?

From "Empathy Training for Compassionate Conservatives":

"Since the only thing that holds our Representatives accountable to us is the power of our votes, if that disappears, so does their accountability. Why do you think that Karl Rove is predicting a Republican Dynasty for the next 40 years? Because he may have figured out how to freeze the pendulum of power, and he thinks that we are either a) too stupid to see the massive consolidation of power into the hands of a mighty few, or b) too weak and divided to do anything about it. The incredible power of our American nation is contained solely within the American people’s votes, and by not returning that power to us they are able to quite literally Rule the World. The world has never seen a group as powerful as those in control right now, and to think that they are operating with nearly total impunity should frighten all of us to the very core of our beings.

This power is not rightfully theirs, however. It is ours, and they are supposed to borrow it for 2, 4, or 6 years (depending on their office) so that they can represent us and our interests. When that time is up, the system is designed to return that power to us, and then WE decide whether to give it back to that same person or give it to someone else who we think will do a better job. But here’s the new twist; what happens if they simply decide not to give that power back? Who are they accountable to then? In that case, they are accountable to no one but themselves, and what the American Public wants does not matter anymore. Our interests are irrelevant, and they are free to do what they want with our power, our money, our Armed Forces, and our lives.

Yes, it appears that the pieces are in place to steal a great deal of power, but not from the Democrats. It will be (or has been) stolen from ALL of us, and that is what the American people need to know. The great unknown right now is whether we still have enough power left to get it back, and it is critical for the survival of our Country that we do everything possible with the power that we still have within ourselves to try and do so."

[ginnyinWI]

27. I think that the problem is that he is hiding behind

this huge wall of propaganda in the media, keeping ordinary people from realizing what he's all about. Now if somehow we can get them to lower their shields, people will have a chance to see what a little cowardly chimp they have in the WH.

[sepia_steel]

34. Excuse me, but

"Well he spends like a liberal. He runs his mouth off like a liberal."

I'm a liberal. Bush doesn't come close to being like us. He's screwed up, period. But he doesn't do ANYTHING "like a liberal".
Please don't compare us to Bush. It makes conservatves continue to think this way of us and it's just not true.

I always liked your posts but this is offensive, and honestly, hurtful.

[MarkusQ]

37. Sorry. I'd plead jargon, but I don't want to minimize your point.

The phrase "like a liberal" has a pretty widely accepted meaning around here, and that is what I meant by it: "like a liberal" (as opposed to "like a conservative") is generally taken to mean "liberally, without restraint, and (by implication) without a lot of thinking or making hard choices." This is what I meant, this is what they understood, and this is in fact a valid point of criticism about Bush, as I think many people of both parties would agree.

But the fact that what I said the other day was understood by the people to whom I was speaking doesn't excuse the fact that I was using a stereotype, any more than if I had used a racist or sexist slur to get my point across.

Thanks for pointing that out. And I'll try to be more carefull in the future.

--MarkusQ

[pacalo]

49. Markus, I appreciate hearing your view, but I'd like to put in my $.02...

Liberals may seem to spend money "without restraint" because they have everyone's interests at heart: the disadvantaged, the poor, the elderly, education, equitable health care benefits, the environment (looking out for future generations), etc. There are so many facets to maintaining a decent quality of life for all Americans. That does take money, but isn't making our lives better part of our congresspeople's job description?

The spending of this administration is totally, totally different. WhatsHisFace spends like there's no tomorrow (well, actually, they are waiting for the Rapture, which is supposed to happen any time now; Lord knows, WhatsHisFace is putting an exceptional effort into trying to make the world come to an end), but more importantly, his spending benefits no one other than his corporate friends and the wealthy. He has made it clear that he does not care about the common people, the elderly, the disadvantaged, education, health care, the environment, etc. His wild, uncontrollable (& unchecked) spending is unconscionable.

When you compare the spending between the liberals & WhatsHisFace, you can see there's a big difference. You can also see why we don't believe he has an inside track to God. If Jesus were alive today, I know on which side he would be.

WhatsHisFace is not a conservative. He is part of the new sect of "conservatives", which we call neo-conservatives -- "neo" is a prefix which means "new". They're a different breed, and I realize that there are conservatives who aren't taking to the neo-conservative movement, as Raul's top post suggests.

I see that you're fairly new, so I welcome you to DU. :hi:

[ClassWarrior]

41. Awesome Markus. Good to see you.

:hi:

NGU.

[driver8]

53. If the Repubs don't like Bush, why the hell is he president?

I guess they don't hate him that much, do they?

What is this "runs his mouth like a liberal" bullshit? The only people I hear running their mouths these days are the idiots in power -- and they are running them a lot.

In regards to "spending like a liberal"...no one will ever come close to wasting money the way that these chickenhawks have. We will be in the hole for many years to come because of them.

Watch the "liberal" generalizations, please.

[MarkusQ]

58. I honestly don't know. Fraud perhaps?

And as for the use of the term "liberal," I'm intending to be more careful in the future. In the context of the conversation I was quoting it was clearly understood the way I'd intended it to be, but (as I noted above) that doesn't mean it isn't a lazy use of a pejoritive stereotype. (My favorite alternative at this point is "He spends like it's his money instead of mine" but that could be taken two ways. The main advantage to the "spends like a liberal" line is that it is instantly understood. "He sure spends liberally" maybe?)

--MarkusQ

[EFerrari]

54. Faux Texan. n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

57. Agreed, and it's nice to see a Republican that thinks for him/herself

I am a died in the wool liberal and even I liked Reagan. He was a unique individual and his ties to Hollywood kept him from being completely ridiculous with regards to his Republican ideals. I didn't vote for him, mind you, but I wasn't disgusted to call him my president either. I think what really pushed him over the edge with regards to his Alzheimer's was GHWB's election. The Reagan family has been very noticeably un-supported of THIS administration. I felt so sorry for Nancy, that her husband had to be buried under the command of the most shameful Republican administration in history. I don't think it was very befitting of Reagan. I've heard from people in California that the Governator is running things similar to the way Reagan did. Quite a few liberals, at least up to this point, are supporting him.

[understandinglife]

3. Incorrect. We are going to remove the neocons from office...

...indict and convict Bush and others and eliminate any form of electronic voting from our American franchise of democracy.

Be part of the steamroller or part of the pavement.

The license plate on the steamroller now reads:

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7

[pocoloco]

6. LOL

Trust me! Kerry is gonna win in a landslide!

[understandinglife]

8. He did. (n/t)

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7

[LittleClarkie]

10. Indeed

Karen Hughes was RIGHT!

[understandinglife]

12. In_DEED and...

...where is Ms Hughes these days?

She's gonna make a most interesting witness.

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7

[tritsofme]

13. What has been said

about Denial being more than just a river in Egypt?

[RaulVB]

14. Hey, go back to watch "FOX News" (n/t)

[tritsofme]

16. Right

I'll just join your crowd in believing that no Democrat can legitimately lose an election and its all a big conspiracy, and that every media outlet is in on it and they are all covering each other's tracks.

Some of the stuff here recently resembles the RW talking frantically about the Clintons putting a hit on Vince Foster back in the 90s.

Is that a black helicopter I see in the distance?

Too many chemtrails being sprayed down us?

[RaulVB]

18. You just heard it on "Fox News", right? (n/t)

[purduejake]

22. I don't know of anybody who said...

every dem who looses is a victim of conspiracies. When you have widespread and BLATANT voter suppression, right wing psychos writing the voting software and refusing to show their work, and votes that are not counted, we will bitch about it and try to fix it. I assume you're not black or live in a "better" neighborhood where you got to vote.

[hootinholler]

33. Yeah, right is right.

I'll just join your crowd in believing that no Democrat can legitimately lose an election and its all a big conspiracy, and that every media outlet is in on it and they are all covering each other's tracks.

There are a lot of pieces to be fit together, but in the big picture they fit nicely enough to pursue serious investigation. So, well, DUH! Yes, I'll say it. It *is* a conspiracy. Have you not read the white papers by PNAC? Use the wayback machine to read the early stuff. They were planning the mid-East options in '98, and their charter is signed by Cheney fer Christ-sakes.

Throw in that they had a ready made base ready to re-emerge and be exploited (or at least leveraged) after the Scandalous Speaker incident and recently recovered from Jim N Tammy-Faye in black-cheek, yes, I can see how it comes together. Especially after observing the church-state intensification and a quick perusal of what Purdue Juris Doctors have to say on that issue. It's immaterial who is using whom here. You have to admit that their goals are conjoined with regard to the Middle East.

And you're capable of telling me that these 2 aren't in cahoots? With a straight face? You ain't gettin nowheres near my poker table.

But how to ensure victory? Hey look at the B Bros... and you know what? We can run W and pull a Dailey with his ass in Fla. The evidence in Fla. 2K was impressive. The evidence that I have seen from Ohio 2K4 is on a scale that makes Long and Dailey combined look like chump change. They only need to suppress 11 votes per precinct to carry the margin observed. They only had to flip 5.

Conspiracy? You bet your sweet ass I'm a turtle.

The bitch of it all is the cost. Forget the money.

For a moment, focus on a national reputation not merely sullied, but, shredded. Why? Because the people from the most recent immigrant to those whose ancestors paid for this grand experiment in blood two and a quarter centuries ago, can't get a fair election.

We have at least 3 major obstacles to surmount. The first is the vote. It must be held sacred, I mean capital punishment sacred. The second are the Dominionists. And the third would be Corporate Politikin and the Corporate ministry of propaganda.

Too many chemtrails being sprayed down us?

Nah, I prefer mine au-naturale. Oh, and by the way, welcome aboard to The Bush Opposition. Here, have a paper clip.

-Hoot

[greenmutha]

35. GREAT post, hoot!

:toast: Here's to ya!

[hootinholler]

36. I try, thanks. N/T

[kitkat65]

40. From the PNAC website

"The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world."

I really dig the part about "advocacy journalism"

[zann725]

47. ...DID win in a landslide!

n/t

[pacalo]

50. He sure did!

And this corrupt parasite knows it...

[merh]

4. I have been predicting this since the MSM gave him the win.

The GOP has some moderates in congress that hate the weed and the neo-cons. They are like Buchanan, they are conservatives, but they despise what the weed and his admin and policies are doing to our nation.

This is another reason why we have to keep election fraud alive and make ALLLL THHHHHEEE MMMAANNNNYYY ways they stole the election public. We have to keep the heat on and keep investigating the fraud.

The repukes that hate the weed and his ways need to know that HE DID NOT WIN and is not as popular as he and admin would have the nation believe. They need to know that they are vulnerable if they attach themselves to his coat tail. They need to know he has no MANDATE and no political capital. He needs to be seen as a risk to them.

As Buchanan stated on Scarborough tonight (and I hope to God he is right) the admin cannot afford to invade Syria and Iran because they have to keep the 2006 elections in mind and cannot affort to alienate any more of the citizens. The weed and his band of rethugs may believe they can invade because they have the art of election theft so down pat that they will just steal the 2006 elections. We cannot let that happen. Election fraud has to be kept on the front burner.

We must NEVER GIVE UP!

[RaulVB]

5. We need to talk with guys like Lincoln Chaffee (Rhode Island Sen.)

He is a decent guy with LOTS of problems and doubts, just ABOUT TO BECOME INDEPENDENT.

We need to "help him" to decide.

[rdmccur]

9. With you

[merh]

11. We need to include him in our emails - put him on the blaster list!

We have to let the dems know they have to stand up and we have to give the moderate repukes the true mandate - The Weed is poison ivy and they shouldn't touch it, they need to stay clear of it.

What are they hiding? :shrug:
What are they afraid of? :freak:

[understandinglife]

15. Yeap, I'd include Warner and McCain in all the correspondence...

...as well.

They are just not going to want to be called as witnesses, are they.

And, let's start asking all of them:

Was it Condi, or Karl, or Wolfie, or Gordon, or Dick, or....who outed Ms Plame? Push that button hard.

And, how can you vote for Condi when she let shrub clear shrub in Aug '01 when he should have been at the WH working his butt off trying to stop Osama?

I think we'll have numerous Republicans on our team by Spring '05.

BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION; 24/7

[Bill Bored]

17. This sounds good, but remember, there seemed to be plenty of

Republicans for Kerry and it was still a close election, even if you believe the unweighted exit polls.

In any event, if this is true about the Republicans, it should not be that difficult to get verified voting in place. There are only a few senators and congressmen who can block it. Committee chairmen: Lott and Ney, Majority Leaders and whips: Hastert, Frist and McConnell and the Exterminator himself: Tom DeLay.

These are the ones who must be held accountable. Mail them, fax them, make their lives as miserable as possible legally and peacefully, until they do the right thing.

Remember there were 5 bills since May 2003 that were killed by these few. And of course Shrub himself could veto anything they eventually pass. But we'll cross that bridge when we get there I guess.

And one other thing bares mentioning: Buchanan endorsed Bush in 2004! The editorials in the American Conservative magazine that endorsed Kerry and the others were NOT his. He endorsed Shrub, so don't look to Pat for any support. Be the media and break his balls too!

[Amaryllis]

25. many do not believe the election was close; there is much evidence that

many states that were blue were also manipulated (such as CA) and votes were siphoned off to increase the popular vote so he would appear to have a mandate.

[Bill Bored]

29. You don't think Kerry 51/Bush 48 was a close election? n/t

[TexasLawyer]

43. MANY Dem votes were stolen here in Texas

Huge number of undervotes for presidential election, in cases where Dem's voted a straight-party ticket. I have heard from so many people that voted straight party Dem and Bush appeared as their choice for president. Many other cases have been described on verifiedvoting.com. I am going to start taking affidavits from people, so that this can be further documented. Election fraud was not necessary for Bush to win Texas (I think) but it definitely built the Bush "mandate."

[Catamount]

60. They are all next in line, so yes turn them,

but don't trust them.

[Amaryllis]

24. Raul, I am a little confused. Scarborough was referring to Bush

as the guy they are afraid of ? And to the repubs in congress as the ones who are afraid?

[RaulVB]

26. Yes, EXACT words

I don't know what got to him tonight.

[s-cubed]

28. The worm turns?

[Carolab]

32. Did you see Meet The Press week before last?

When that journalist, I think his name is Hunt, said with real exuberance, "You have to wonder, what have these neocons gotten us into?" It was great.

[Oversea Visitor]

46. Hmm

must be the Boxer virus. Very deadly, scare the shit out of everyone.

[liberalla]

30. It's good to hear this!

I've felt this way for a long time. Even before the election, there were a LOT of Republicans that didn't like bUSH. I felt they would be battling amongst themselves if he was reselected. The moderates don't like what he is doing and how they are now on the "wrong" side of his radical republican issues.

Let the Republiscum CIVIL WAR begin!!!

[Ryder911]

31. Give Bush a rope long enough, and he'll hang himself with it!

There is such a huge idealogical difference between Conservatives and Neo-Conservatives, I've been wondering when we would start seeing some dissent within the Republican Party? Hopefully it is already starting to happen.

There was a great article about this in the NY Times Magazine a few months ago. If you have some time, it's a great read:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?ex=1255665600&en=890a96189e162076&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland>

[leanin_green]

39. The only thing is. . .

they have already shown they will do anything to retain power.

I'm sure you've all heard about the terror alert that came from San Diego this last week? I was waiting for this. I predicted not long ago that this same kind of threat(dirty bomb)would be used by this administration to suspend the Constitution and implement Marshall Law. If they feel threatened enough, even by those in their own party, they will use this same scenario to create a police state. I believe this is a practice run. Now that they have planted the story they can utilize the presence of these "terrorists" in the country as they see fit.

If what you say about them losing many of their own is true, be on the look out for an escalation on this story from San Diego.

[Al-CIAda]

44. Do not forget the newly passed 'doomsday plan' and secret gov't.

[hootinholler]

45. Please enlighten me, I didn't get the memo. N/T

-Hoot

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. It's about spending! I've heard JS talk about it . He hates deficits

Thinks that is the repugs downfall.

[Democrat Dragon]

42. Bush is neither liberal, libertarian, nor conservative....

He's a Neo-conservative NAZI!

[lthuedk]

48. We need the military to turn against Bush.

[pacalo]

52. WhatsHisFace is putting quite an effort into achieving that result!

I'd love to hear more of what the military thinks of him. I've heard that Kerry was warmly received by the troops in Iraq. And what did Kerry do when he got back to the states? He's now working to get Rumsfeld dismissed. The troops (&, hopefully, the top brass) must have put quite a bug in Kerry's ear during his visit.

[nashville_brook]

51. it's the emerging meme -- * is a radical -- nothing conservative

about the Theo-cons!

[EFerrari]

55. I think we sort of constantly miss a major point about the Bush base.

It is not Republican. It is multinational and corporate.

Maybe you youngins don't remember but I remember true conservatives. I disagreed with them but I never worried that they'd okay torturing people or arrest people without cause and hold them for years without charges.

And by extension, the Republican party can't get rid of the vote fraud, any more than the Dems can. Because they don't own it. The multinational Mafia does.

We have to be careful about this or we waste time and alienate people who we disagree with but who aren't the real enemy of democracy.

(Okay, putting my helmet on. lol Beth)

[davidgmills]

56. This is the real nightmare

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of corporate and governmental power." Benito Mussolini

The fascist's dream: a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations.

Election fraud (corporate performed) is just the tip of the iceberg.

I am like you. I never worried about Republicans becoming global warmongers, torturers, or pervasively incarcerating people without charges or lawyers.

But corporate rights are almost always opposite individual rights. Upholding individual rights almost always curbs corporate power. Every day, more and more individual rights are being swept aside by the advance of corporate rights.

Mom-and-pop capitalism and corporatism are not one and the same. I believe our founding fathers had a vison of the former not the latter.

[EFerrari]

59. This goes off topic, but it would be useful to think about how

corporation law and coroporate aims has exploited the values of both parties. Giving corporations personhood, for example, might be a starting place. Know your enemy.