I had a personal realization about JFKerry today. I will not abandon him

[BigBearJohn]

John Kerry has been in government for over 20 years.
IMHO, He knows what is REALLY happening behind the scenes in Washington.
I'm sure he knew what could and could not be done about the election.
As a prosecutor he knew firsthand how the system works.
I am not going to second guess him. My gut tells me he is an honorable man.
I will, however, watch what he does in the next two years.

I can't see Hillary winning in 2008
I can't see John Edwards winning in 2008
I can't see Obama winning in 2008
I can't see Dean winning in 2008
I can't see Westmoreland winning in 2008
(I could see a chance of Boxer winning with a real hard push)
(I just hope it's not Hillary running against Rice)

After 4 more years of * disasters, Kerry can come back in '08
and say, "Sorry folks, it was just as I predicted. Now move over and
let me get something done!"

And to all of those who say we shouldn't think about who is going to
run for President until we have fixed the voting process, I say to them,
why can't we do both? After we DO fix the voting process, we are still
going to need to have a candidate.

[MeDeMax]

1. please share the realization with us

I know I volunteered for the right guy, my trust in him is not shaken by the outcome of the election.

But if you don't mind sharing, I want to hear your personal realization.

thnx,

-max.

[BigBearJohn]

18. What I wrote IS the realization, but allow me to refine it just a bit...

It's just this:

John Kerry knows what HE is doing. He IS a politician. You all say the word "politician" like it's a foul word.
What would you rather have? A "true" politician or a true hayseed? (Oops. That's a rhetorical question.)
You have a bunch of people here assuming THEY knew what Kerry should be doing or should have done.
Why can't we give the man some credit for HIS experience.
WE don't know in detail what is really going on BEHIND the scenes.
Kerry's accomplishments in life prove to me the man is a fighter AND a problem solver.
YOU may not agree with his methods, but YOU are not walking in his shoes.
Granted, he is not perfect, but in my opinion, he carries himself like a real man... presidential to the core.
I know I would be humbled if I were given the opportunity to meet him in person.
If I met *, I would have a hard time restraining myself from laughing in his face.

Politician, defined:
"a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in
conducting the business of a government"

[MeDeMax]

24. amen brother

"I know I would be humbled if I were given the opportunity to meet him in person"

indeed, I was quite humbled just watching the PBS documentary "The Choice 2004" comparing Kerry & his opponent.

Election or no election, his record is exemplory.

His long time 'pub opponent Gov William Weld can't say enough nice things about him.

[bush_is_wacko]

63. I saw that too. I actually was in tears at many moments!

I had forgotten, up until I saw that, that there ARE real patriots STILL in DC! The DNC should buy some time to run that on the History channel or something!

[MeDeMax]

70. documentary link, last word

You can read/view the documentary any time, it was a frontline production:

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice2004/>


Kerry is no ordinary politician, he is a decorated soldier and a great statesman of world calibre, history will remember him as such.

Whether or not he will also be remembered as an American president remains to be seen...

Being who he is, I am not surprised that he didn't get into a scrappy street fight with the bullies. The bullies won this round, eventually their past will catch up with them.

my last words on this thread.

[LittleClarkie]

110. Speaking of tears and documentaries

"Going Upriver" had me bawling. Not because of Kerry per se, but because I could see the parallells to our own war. The pictures of soldiers posing smiling with dead bodies, the pain after.

They showed quite a bit of Kerry's testimony in the piece, and even though I'd heard and seen his famous line several times before that, I started crying again when he said "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake."

I was already a supporter, but that damn film kicked me into "Band of Brothers" mode. I may calm the hell down at some point, but whenever I see someone unfairly bashing the man it makes me nuts. (as opposed to criticism -- there is a difference.)

I may even support someone else in 2008 (who knows. It's too damned far away and so much can happen). If the field remains unchanged from what we think will be there from today's vantage point, then I will be supporting Kerry in whatever endeavors he attempts. Positive action at this point is quite welcome, thank you.

Even if I can't have him as president (the thought of which upsets me no end) I will not abandon him. I still have his back, and the back of the rest of the party as long as they don't go all Zellish on me.

Can we agree now that Zell is NOT a real Dem so I don't have to have his freakin' back?

[SharonRB]

75. I was lucky enough to shake his hand

on the campaign trail. When he was here in Michigan on August 1, I was right up front and shook his hand as he went through the front of the crowd after he spoke. It was a wonderful experience. I saw him another time shortly before the election, but I wasn't fortunate enough to be near the front that time.

[bunny planet]

27. Totally agree with you, thanks for your posts.

[ginnyinWI]

73. yes, my thoughts exactly!

When you become a follower of a leader, it's because you trust them. Not blindly--you always watch for consistency, that they remain true--but you give them credit for knowing more than you do, and trust that they will make the right choices for everyone's sake.

I'm glad JK is a seasoned politician--because he's that and more--he's an activist, an intellectual, a diplomat, and a true statesman. He is a good politician, too--has made some smart, shrewd moves. He is still human, though, and subject to making mistakes from time to time as well--but he's still my leader, my shadow president!

[Amaryllis]

91. I have thought the same thing. See this:

This is not a guy who quits easily. I often wonder what goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about, and therefore withhold judgment (most of the time, not always) on his actions. I do believe he is an honorable man. This article says volumes about his character:

Follow the Money
How John Kerry busted the terrorists' favorite bank.

By David Sirota and Jonathan Baskin

Two decades ago, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) was a highly respected financial titan. In 1987, when its subsidiary helped finance a deal involving Texas oilman George W. Bush, the bank appeared to be a reputable institution, with attractive branch offices, a traveler's check business, and a solid reputation for financing international trade. It had high-powered allies in Washington and boasted relationships with respected figures around the world.
All that changed in early 1988, when John Kerry, then a young senator from Massachusetts, decided to probe the finances of Latin American drug cartels. Over the next three years, Kerry fought against intense opposition from vested interests at home and abroad, from senior members of his own party; and from the Reagan and Bush administrations, none of whom were eager to see him succeed.

By the end, Kerry had helped dismantle a massive criminal enterprise and exposed the infrastructure of BCCI and its affiliated institutions, a web that law enforcement officials today acknowledge would become a model for international terrorist financing. As Kerry's investigation revealed in the late 1980s and early 1990s, BCCI was interested in more than just enriching its clients--it had a fundamentally anti-Western mission. Among the stated goals of its Pakistani founder were to "fight the evil influence of the West," and finance Muslim terrorist organizations. In retrospect, Kerry's investigation had uncovered an institution at the fulcrum of America's first great post-Cold War security challenge.

More than a decade later, Kerry is his party's nominee for president, and terrorist financing is anything but a back-burner issue. The Bush campaign has settled on a new strategy for attacking Kerry: Portray him as a do-nothing senator who's weak on fighting terrorism. "After 19 years in the Senate, he's had thousands of votes, but few signature achievements," President Bush charged recently at a campaign rally in Pittsburgh; spin that's been echoed by Bush's surrogates, conservative pundits, and mainstream reporters alike, and by a steady barrage of campaign ads suggesting that the one thing Kerry did do in Congress was prove he knew nothing about terrorism. Ridiculing the senator for not mentioning al Qaeda in his 1997 book on terrorism, one ad asks: "How can John Kerry win a war if he doesn't know the enemy?"

More:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html

[Kelvin Mace]

2. Sorry,

JF Kerry is dead to me.

Any one who gives up so easy, then expects everyone to keep fighting for him will never see a dime of my money or any support.

[angrydemocrat]

40. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/young/image/image8.jpg

[Corey_Baker08]

3. John Kerry for President 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We, the Democratic Party, and myself as a first time voter in 2008
need John Kerry to be our nominee for the 2008 Election. Think about
it, in the Democratic Primaries we were praying for somebody to take
on Georege Bush and defeat him,we found more than our nominee, we
found our President. John Kerry then became a very strong voice for
Democrats all across this country. He represented us when times were
rough and fought for us when times were bad.

He was our leader commited to lead us and the rest of this country
into the promise land, and he did. No one even thought he could make
this a close race for Presidency, but he did. He fought for us until
the very end, representing our vision for a better, safer, stronger
more secure America. We may never know if this Election was fairly
won, be we do know that it was equally fought up until the very last
vote.

When John Kerry saw it fit to concede his race for Presidency on
Novemeber 3, 2004, he defiantely made a controversial decision. He
was called a trader for not appealing to Election fraud, but look at
him now. He had a plan from the very first second he saw Ohio fall.
Hes now fighting for us and for Election reform so that my first
vote will actually count. Hes continuing the effort to make health
care a right, not a privelgae to all Americans. He's defending our
country by refusing to allow a war monger become the next Secratary
of State, John Kerry is fighting for us.

John
Kerry
President
2008

[empathy]

4. I like John

And it isnt just about believing he can win.

I was more of a Dean supporter, just because I connected with him more when he spoke-- I believed him. But over the course of the 2004 election, and the weeks since, I have come to view Senator Kerry as a strong fighter, and an honorable politician. \he is, still, to me, a politician at heart, which is unfortunate (perhaps necessary?), but I like him and I have come to have some faith in his actions.

Whether it is good PR work on his behalf, or whether he truly is basically my type of good guy, I may never know. However, based solely upon what I have felt from him, I too now fully support John Kerry.

[zann725]

44. Welcome Newbie 'empathy!' Thanks for your support of JK!

n/t

[empathy]

53. thanks

for the welcome :-)

[Skip Intro]

5. I'm all for Kerry. Proud of his '04 campaign, happy to support him in '08.

I really don't know who would be a better - more "electable" - candidate.

I agree some candidates aren't "electable" from this p.o.v. anyway.

(you DID leave off Clark, who I like, but who did seem a little rough in the campaign, imho)

Although, Boxer vs. Rice would be Excellent!

We'd either win in a landslide (hope its ok to use that term now) or the pukes would steal it - and chaos would ensue.

I'm curious who'd be Kerry's best running mate.

--------------------
on edit: I thnk there is some value in actually picking the same candidate twice. It would say to drowsy America that we indeed believed in this person before, because he/she was best for the job, and we STILL believe in this person. Kind of a "told you so, are you ready to save the country NOW?" kind of thing.

Continuity.

We could have said that about Gore in '04. We can say it about Kerry in '08.

Let's not be so eager to replace our candidate, and find one who "fits" better.

Let's stand stand our ground.

[rox63]

7. Hmm...Gore/Kerry 08?

Both have had elections stolen from them. Both are probably extremely pissed off by that fact. That can make a person into a rightiously fierce opponent. Look at the fire Gore had during the speeches he made over the 2004 election season. He was one rightiously pissed dude. And maybe that's what it takes.

[bowens43]

10. Good idea , let's pick TWO people who couldn't even beat

the idiot. Yeah , that's a winner.

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[bunny planet]

28. snooze to you!

[johnaries]

30. No, we'd be picking 2 people who already BEAT him!

Gore/Kerry 08, or Kerry/Gore 08. Either way, I think it's a GREAT idea!

[Farah]

80. emphasis on that: ALREADY beat him ;-P

[saracat]

130. Those two both beat the idiot!

[sweetladybug]

14. rox63, we must think alike, Gore/Kerry 08 sounds GREAT to me too!

:-)

[Stevepol]

6. I agree with most of what you say BigBearJohn, BUT

I wish Kerry had really decided to get behind the people trying to help him, supported them more openly. AND I wish he had acquainted himself during the campaign with the almost dead certainty that the voting machines would decide the election in Bush's favor assure and that the only way to win would be to go for quick recounts. If he had demanded them, they would have happened as they did w/ Gore. Of course, very few of the people around him knew or even know today about the fact of fraud in GA in 02 and thru-out the country in that election. AND the certainty of fraud in this election around the country.

But still, I agree with you that Kerry is the most presidential guy around at the moment. And I believe he still wants to be president. He also knows a great deal, as you say, about the political process and about what needs to be done to make his presence felt. Maybe in the next few years, he will gradually come to realize the true extent of the corruption and corporate control of everything. Once he truly realizes that, he will be a force to be reckoned with I think. Being a lawyer and having that kind of insight, he'll know that the only way to unseat this gang presently in charge is thru massive numbers of lawsuits and thru mobilizing public sentiment by MAKING IT KNOWN THAT ELECTIONS HAVE TO BE FAIR IN THE FUTURE. Maybe he cd declare that he will never run again and will recommend that no Democrat even run again unless the vote-couting procedure is made fair and honest.

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[bowens43]

9. Kerry blew it.

He had his shot and made some horrible decisions that cost him the election. Running on his war record was a dumb ass , bonehead mistake.

[politicasista]

11. Love Deanics and Clarkies

:mad: :mad:

[merh]

36. Psssssssssssssstttttttttt

Kerry won and they stole it.

[angrydemocrat]

41. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/young/image/image11.jpg

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. I think that over the years Kerry has proven himself to be a very

effective senator. He has recently proven himself to be a not as effective presidential candidate. I say let him stay where is strength is -- in the Senate.

How about Clark/Boxer '08?

[corbett]

15. Kerry/Boxer Would Be Dream Ticket

Bicoastal with plenty of grit!

[New Earth]

16. sounds good to me

that's what i'm hoping for :)

[Horse with no Name]

35. We could even pick the cabinet

I nominate
LLoyd Doggett AG
John Edwards SOS

[corbett]

56. Don't Know About Doggett

Could you elaborate on him?

[Horse with no Name]

58. Please let me--this guy is Grade A

This guy is the "real deal". He survived the attempt at the Republicans to redistrict him out of office.
He is clean as a whistle and what an honorable man! I met him and this guy rocks!Personally I think the guy is Presidential material.

Biography of Lloyd Doggett

*Born, raised, and educated in Austin, Texas
*B.B.A. in business, first in his class, The University of Texas at Austin, 1967; President of University of Texas Student Body
*Law Degree, Juris Doctor with Honors, University of Texas, 1970; *Associate Editor, Texas Law Review
*President, Texas Consumers Association

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SERVICE
*Elected to Congress from Texas, November 1994
*Member, House Committee on Ways and Means, Health Subcommittee, and Select Revenue Measures Subcommittee
*Co-founder, House Information Technology Roundtable
*Member, Congressional Task Force on Tobacco and Health
*Ranked for past 6 years as a top deficit hawk by the non-partisan Concord Coalition for his commitment to ensuring fiscal responsibility and maintaining a balanced federal budget
*Consistently ranked as a top treasury guardian by the independent government watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense, with #1 ranking among House Members in 2002 and 2003
*"Elected Public Official of the Year" by the CenTex Chapter of the American Society for Public Administration (2004)
*"Public Interest Champion" by the U.S. Public Interest Research Group (2003)
*"Best Elected Official" award by the Austin Chronicle’s annual reader survey (2004). This is the second year in a row Rep. Doggett has received a "Best of Austin" award.
*"Friend of the National Parks" by the National Parks Conservation Association for 3 consecutive Congressional sessions (1996-2002)
*"Friend of the Earth Award" from Friends of the Earth (2002)
*"Award of Appreciation for Outstanding Achievement" from the Sierra Club of Austin for "consistent and tireless dedication to the preservation of the environment" (2000)
*Recognized by SafePlace for 20 years of commitment to reducing domestic violence (1997)
*Freshman All-Star "by a landslide" in Washingtonian magazine's 1996 Congressional rankings

JUDICIAL SERVICE
*Justice, Texas Supreme Court, 1989-1994
*Chair, Supreme Court Task Force on Judicial Ethics, 1992-1994
*Outstanding Judge in Texas, Mexican-American Bar of Texas, 1993
*Adjunct Professor, University of Texas School of Law, 1989-1994
*James Madison Award, Freedom of Information Foundation of Texas, 1990
*First Amendment Award, National Society of Professional Journalists, 1990

TEXAS SENATE SERVICE
*Started serving in the Texas State Senate, 1973, at age 26 and served until 1985
*Senate author of 124 state laws, and Senate sponsor of 63 House bills enacted into law, including
- Texas Commission on Human Rights to prohibit discrimination in employment;
- Outlawing "Cop Killer" bullets and strengthening Crime Victim Compensation Fund;
- Generic Drug Law to allow the purchase of less expensive "generic drugs";
- Standards for Medicare supplemental insurance policies; and
- Texas Sunset Act, requiring periodic review to modify or abolish ineffective state laws and bureaucracies
*Outstanding Young Texan, named by Texas Jaycees
*Arthur B. Witty Award for outstanding achievement in human rights, Austin NAACP
*Honored by Austin Rape Crisis Center (now SafePlace), Planned Parenthood of Austin; Austin chapter, American Institute of Architects; Austin Council on Alcoholism; and Disabled American Veterans

PERSONAL
*Married in 1969 to Libby Belk Doggett, Ph.D., Executive Director, The Trust for Early Education (current); Adjunct Professor, Georgetown University Center for Child & Human Development (current); Director of HeadsUp! Reading, National Head Start Association (2000-2002); Special Assistant, U.S. Department of Education (1996-2000); Executive Director of The Arc of Texas (1990-1995)
*Two daughters -- Lisa, husband Don & Cathy. Lisa and Don are physicians; Cathy is a teacher
*Member of the First United Methodist Church

[corbett]

72. Just What I Needed - Thanks!

He'd be a SUPERB addition to a Kerry cabinet.

[SharonRB]

77. Edwards does not have the experience

to be SOS. I'd rather see Kerry/Boxer and maybe Gore as SOS. Or, here's a really unique idea I was pitching for 2004 -- I'd love to see Bill as SOS. I don't know if he'd consider it, but I think he'd be fabulous with all of his presidential experience and the relationships he has already forged around the world. I know it's never been done, but I think it would work. Then I'd see Clark as Secretary of Defense.

I don't think we'd see a Kerry/Gore (or the reverse) ticket. I can't see either of them wanting to be VP. They both want the brass ring this time.

[seito]

60. I like the sound of that

:)

[sepia_steel]

97. That's what I'm hoping for, too.

The two people who dare to vote their conscience and speak out loud what is obvious to everyone.

[tubbacheez]

17. Without transparent and verifiable elections, it won't matter WHO we run.

We could run a Superman/Jesus ticket in '08 for all the Bushbots care.

If their GOP-leaning pals get to record, count, and verify all our votes in secret, nobody we run can win.




WHO we run is important, yes. But HOW we run is also very important. And that includes getting back on level terrain.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Yes, but who better than someone who knows that it happened

to ensure it won't happen again? Although, I am still a Clark fan.

[tubbacheez]

31. Conyers, Boxer, Tubbs-Jones also know...

If we raise awareness to the proper level, lots of Democrats will know what happened... including but in no way limited to John Kerry.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying we avoid Kerry. I thought he was an ok candidate in 2004. Personally, I liked Dean's speeches a little better, and I liked Kucinich's energy a little better.

But I thought Kerry was a very reasonable and electable candidate too. If he winds up gaining the most Democratic momentum behind him, sure, let's run him again.



I'm just saying that transparent elections are a must. Otherwise, no candidate of ours stands a chance.

[zann725]

45. And I think it's just as important that we begin Impeachment charges...

or further push Election Fraud charges (via Judiciary Comm.).

I truly do NOT see Shrub (& Co.) serving their full four years.

[Democrat Dragon]

20. Sorry but,

I would only vote for Kerry in the primaries if whatever "secret plan" he is doing works. I understand he TRIED. If he manages to stop Bush's evil plans or impeach him, then he can regain my respect. I understand that Kerry had good intentions when he conceeded. But he could have done more.

I only support someone if they prove themselves worthy.

[BigBearJohn]

21. How much time do you give them to prove themselves?

[Democrat Dragon]

25. I'll give Johnny four years

I'm HOPING he's up to somehting but I'm not counting on it either.

[BigBearJohn]

22. a wee bit of a clarification

John Kerry knows what HE is doing. He IS a politician. You all say the word "politician" like it's a foul word.
What would you rather have? A "true" politician or a true hayseed? (Oops. That's a rhetorical question.)
You have a bunch of people here assuming THEY knew what Kerry should be doing or should have done.
Why can't we give the man some credit for HIS experience.
WE don't know in detail what is really going on BEHIND the scenes.
Kerry's accomplishments in life prove to me the man is a fighter AND a problem solver.
YOU may not agree with his methods, but YOU are not walking in his shoes.
Granted, he is not perfect, but in my opinion, he carries himself like a real man... presidential to the core.
I know I would be humbled if I were given the opportunity to meet him in person.
If I met *, I would have a hard time restraining myself from laughing in his face.

Politician, defined:
"a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in
conducting the business of a government"

[vinessa4freedom]

79. Amen, and can I kiss you

Yes, yes, yes. Kerry is a better human being than most, that's why he's a better politician than most. Beautiful Sentiments BigBear John. And you have my gratitude for posting this.

[mousie]

23. I wish everyone else would realize too!

What a great post... I hoped it would make some of those who have turned on Kerry think about things a bit! John Kerry is still the great candidate you all thought he was. Please don't turn your backs on him now. He IS here for us and truly acting as if he's our President anyway. READ:

"I'm sure he knew what could and could not be done about the election.
As a prosecutor he knew firsthand how the system works.
I am not going to second guess him. My gut tells me he is an honorable man."

I wholeheartedly agree, BigBearJohn!

[DearAbby]

26. Kerry & Gore '08 Sounds good to me.

I don't know why people are so down on Kerry...would you have him run out on Nov. 3 and Yell Fraud with no verifiable proof? Sure would make mincemeat of him. He ran the best campaign without media backing, or exposure. How was the man supposed to get the Party Message out?

Dispite all that, Kerry-Edwards also WON this past election. So it was a successful Campaign. Problem was that no one else knows or cares. No one knows or cares there was election fraud, they are being told to go back to sleep.

We have to get rid of those machines, and take back the media-be the media. And get the message out.

I also feel that Kerry is a very honorable man, The young man that sat in that chair in front of congress in the early 70s, is the same man. I cant point it out, all I know it is a gut feeling, listening to him. He has my back. I have his back. I am going to do what he asks to help him. It's that plain to me.

[jsascj]

33. YES!!!

A true man of courage...in both volunteering to go to Vietnam AND sitting "in that chair in front of congress in the early 70's" took courage that Dumbya simply could not imagine!

I admire Kerry, I like him, I trust him and will always be willing to vote for him.

He is truly an officer and a gentleman.

[ginnyinWI]

74. it took more bravery than a lot of people realize,

to go to that inaugural last Thursday, and sit and smile and kid around with other Dems. Not easy, but then he's been fighting all his life, and is tough.

No retreat, no surrender.

[mousie]

90. exactly...

shows his true character! I know he does give his absolute best to everything he does, and I just hope others who have turned on him now will come to realize that and not second guess him on why he handled things as he did.

[mousie]

89. well said...

I too have that same gut feeling about Kerry... he IS an honorable man! I'm glad some still feel the same way about him as before. I don't know WHAT we can do about the MSM though... that worries me. Someone said to me that whoever controls the media wins the elections... This is not how things are "supposed" to be in our country, but how do we change it?? We've lost so much of our so-called freedom in this country.

[BigBearJohn]

29. Your one comment gave me CHILLS and crystalized something for me

"He IS here for us and truly acting as if he's our President anyway."

As I was watching the Rice hearings, I had the SAME feeling as you.
I felt like he was acting as if he was our President. He didn't have
the title, but he had the presence. oooof... goosebumps.

[Blue_In_AK]

32. Thank you, Big Bear John.

[dandrhesse]

38. I agree, Kerry looks Presidential , mature, in control, and respectful

even when he disagrees. He really looked in his element at the hearings for Rice. Here is another point to ponder BigBearJohn,

what would you do if you knew going in that there was a high probability that the election could be rigged? You also knew that the Sec. of State and AG in some states were in full cooperation? Don't you think it would be a great idea to create the biggest grassroots movement in history to lead your ground game and also encourage every person you can find to vote? So when you lost people would say to themselves, wait a minute, this guy had crowds of 40-50K at rallies on a regular basis and he lost?

Then the worst case scenario happens however it was accomplished the totals say your opponent won. So what do you do next? You take it and concede and let the winners egos inflate as large as they can go. When people get arrogant they get sloppy.

Just remember there is more than one way to skin a cat.

[BigBearJohn]

48. Holy Shit! I can't believe you said that!!!!!!!! You are AMAZING.

Thank you so much for such a wonderful, positive, creative and, in my mind, feasible slant on this.
We need more people like you around here.
Hip Hip Hooray for Dandrhesse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[dandrhesse]

65. Thanks for the chuckle and the compliment

the smilies made me laugh and not much on this site makes me laugh these days - thanks

JFK is an honorable man who is both intelligent and persistent. Picking your fights wisely is a sign of maturity and wisdom. JFK is the man for our country for this time and this task.

All his previous life experience has prepared him for this monumental challenge and I believe he will rise to the occasion.

It takes considerable courage and integrity to be willing to be cast as a coward, turn coat and quitter by those that opposed you and even some of your supporters in order to pick your moment and succeed.

[mousie]

122. Yep!!! :) n/t

[buzzard]

34. As a Canadian I cannot vote for john Kerry but everything I have seen of

him has led me to believe that he is a man of honour. I remember reading about his involvement in the Iran Contra affair and thought here is a man with true integrity, although he may not be a cheerleader I believe he is very smart and knows when and how to wage a fight. I personally would support him as a candidate for 2008, his introspective views on what is happening in America and his thoughtful actions make me believe he would be the right person to lead your country.

[berniew1]

37. He hasn't shown much leadership lately, but he's in difficult position

and has a lot of people and forces pushing and pulling on him. He's been getting a lot of advise from party insiders/"experts" to not expose himself to the kind of bashing the the GOP/media did to Gore in 2000- even though history has documented Gore clearly won the Florida election in a fair count- by a lot.

[Catamount]

39. Kerry and Boxer = 2 Winners

Let's unite behind them now and TELL them NOW!

[politicasista]

43. I like this ticket

I don't care what anyone says.

[Clark2008]

51. I'm in Tennessee, too

Be honest with yourself.

This will get about an inch in the South. Be honest.

Pick someone who could win.

BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF. DON'T PICK SOMEONE WHO CAN'T HELP THE SOUTH CHANGE!

[Fly by night]

61. When we prove the 2004 election was stolen, a Snoopy/Yellow Dog ticket...

... would carry the South. If there's anything that my middle Tennessee neighbors are, they are patriotic and conservative when it comes to how they want their government chosen and run. They also "walk the walk" when it comes to their spiritual beliefs. So far, we have made a lot of traction locally by pointing out that the smirking chimp is not patriotic (in his personal non-service to country and in his reckless foreign policy), not conservative (when it comes to his fiscal policy and his rape of the Bill of Rights), and he is not "walking the walk" on any spiritual path they would recognize (being a serial lier, a mass murderer ("who would Jesus bomb?"), a suck-ass to the rich and privileged and a despoiler of God's green earth). Despite the rigged vote to the contrary, many bedrock conservatives here voted against the Chimpenator in 2004 for all of these reasons.

When (not if) we prove that the 2004 election was stolen, that one fact will demonstrate that Duh-bya and his handlers are neither patriotic, conservative nor morally sound -- and the South will be the first region to reject him and anyone standing near him in a heartbeat. They will also reject out-of-hand their faux religious leaders who will be transformed overnight in their congregations' minds into what they really are -- money-changers in the temple. The truly righteous indignation that will flow from the South, the Southwest and the Midwest will bury the Republi-Nazis forever; and transform religious practice to boot.

Three things have to happen for this to take place:

1) We need to keep the lines of communication open with our conservative neighbors and re-take the "values" playing field by framing it as I have alluded above. This will continue to be easier and easier as more soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan speak the truth to their friends and family about the "fog of war" and the illegitimacy and futility of all we are doing over there (basically making the world safer and more profitable for oil barons and heroin merchants).

2) We need to prove the election theft and prosecute its perpetrators vigorously. As far as my experience goes, the evidence we already have on hand has been effective in persuading many skeptical people that -- indeed -- the election was stolen. And Mitofsky's recent report only helps our cause, it does not hurt it. This body of evidence is obviously convincing many more Americans every day, given the 50% increase in the past six weeks in the proportion of Americans who believe the election was stolen. That's a pretty steep learning curve and we need to keep accelerating it by continuing to expose the evidence and then acting on it in every court in the land (including the court of public opinion). We need to win this case, convincingly.

3) We need to get rid of the voting machines and/or create a paper trail (verified by each voter and certified by the people with a routine random re-count after every election). That will be tough but that's why we're here -- to do the heavy lifting. This struggle is also likely to get weird, but as a great American cultural philosopher once said, "... when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

Here in middle Tennessee, we're doing the heavy lifting by creating our own slate of state-level election reforms and working to get those reforms passed in this legislature. We are also working hard to sponsor a national conference here in Nashville on the 2004 election theft and the need for election reform (and I hope to have some good news on that score this week -- stay tuned.)

So don't surrender the South -- we are where true change occurs. Remember that Nashville was where the first real successes in destroying segregation as an accepted cultural tradition in our region occurred. Remember that women finally won the right to vote in this country because one young Tennessee representative broke the tie in our state legislature and caused that constitutional amendment finally to be ratified. Why should we stop leading the charge for what's right, for what's patriotic, for what's democratic, for what's moral now? There is no reason. So don't feed the lingering prejudices against the South by saying that a progressive ticket can't win here. With our growing mass of heavy-lifting pros in the Orange State, anything is possible.

If you don't believe it, hide and watch. Or better yet, turn pro and start lifting with us, all y'all.

[bush_is_wacko]

64. I have already utilized 1 and 2 to effectively de-activate a pub friend's

rhetoric. After I answered EVERY single one of his statements with THE TRUTH, he has actively begun researching the information I have given him. He has, as of yet, not come up with a response to a single thing. THE TRUTH SHALL, INDEED, SET US ALL FREE! (from the radical agenda of the right wing extremists)

[jsascj]

92. You are right about this,.

I think they need to have a southerner on the ticket.

[Catamount]

42. Kerry/ Boxer with...

John Edwards as Attorney General
Hillary as S/of State - She has the connections
Conyers for the Supreme court?

Just a few thoughts

[BigBearJohn]

49. Oh God!!!! I got chills up and down and all around!

What a

GREAT

idea!!!
I'm still shaking. Boy! Does this idea agree with me.

Kerry/Boxer 2008
John Edwards - Attorney General
Conyers for leader of the SENATE or SPEAKER of the House
Secretary of State -- Hillary

Please, God, let it be so!!!

[Clark2008]

52. Edwards sucks and always did

My god, people, get over the media pinning.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Elliot Spitzer for Attorney General. Someone with more brains than looks!
Hillary should be retired and Conyers is a blessing.

[benny05]

66. JRE is cool...and

one of the shining stars; in many respects, the reason many voted for Kerry. I've met many folks since the election who said they couldn't vote for Kerry but JRE had been at the top of the ticket, they would have voted for him. I guess you haven't had the pleasure of meeting JRE as I did twice.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think any of the candidates that ran last year for the Dem nomination suck. They all had good intentions. I think if JRE had had a little more money to keep running and if the primaries hadn't been so stacked against anyone, we would be seeing President Edwards and a better team in the White House as opposed to those goons that are in there now.

I am pleased that Boxer is standing up for us, and I wouldn't mind seeing a JRE/Boxer ticket.

[Catamount]

69. I thought Edwards was supposed to be a great

attorney for the people?
Isn't he one of the reasons the repugs are talking about tork reform?
Holding the corps responsible?
I don't know much about Spitzer, fill me in!:)

[benny05]

71. W did Tort Reform

When he was governor of Texas, so JRE hasn't anything to do with it. This is all about money in general to not give the defendant what s/he deserves, notably one of Halliburton's subsidiaries that has filed chapter 11 because it has to pay asbestos victims to the tune of 311 million so far.

There are plenty of rethugs who are former trial lawyers, including Orrin Hatch, so I expect any legislation about it will be sluggish. The Trial Lawyers Association of America has a strong lobbyst in DC.

[jsascj]

93. NO!

But for attorneys like Edwards, people would still be having their insides sucked out by faulty hot-tub drains (one of his cases, BTW), baby seats would still be more dangerous than using nothing at all and any number of other dangers that major companies dismiss. God forbid they should spend a few extra pennies (literally, in some cases) to correct their dangerous errors. No, attorneys like Edwards ARE attorneys for the people. Don't confuse him and others like him with all the cheapo ambulance chasers you see advertised on TV. But for some of these attorneys, life would be much more dangerous for all of us.

The reason for the tort reform is to keep Dumbya's big money buddies from having to pay for their mistakes and/or negligence. The reason for tort reform is to keep the insurance companies from having to cut into their already obscenely enormous profit margin.

[Quakerfriend]

105. Yeah, Eliot's my pick for AG as well!

Thank you for this wonderful and uplifting thread!

The poise and candor John Kerry showed at the Inauguration was absolutely incredible! Watching him I got the sense that he is certain that he's got millions of people in this great country of ours that know the TRUTH about Bush co.! More and more people every day figuring it all out. And, that we've got his back!

[MadisonProgressive]

54. How about Bill Clinton for Supremem Court?

It would be so much fun to watch the RW conniptions.

[bush_is_wacko]

76. My mom met him once

I'm afraid she would kill me if she knew I said this on here but she said after she met him she realized that women of all stations and beliefs would be hard pressed not to remove their panties for him. He is apparently very charming!

Clinton would indeed lighten the mood at that position, but didn't he lose his license.

[SharonRB]

84. I thought he lost his license, too.

And I saw him up close in '96 when he came through town -- he is quite disarming and charming in person. I hope your mother never sees that you posted that!

[bush_is_wacko]

100. I won't tell her if you don't! Funny thing is he looks a lot like my Dad

so I think my mom may be biased! My dad is however a bit older than Clinton!

[MadisonProgressive]

95. It was only suspended for 5 years - in Arkansas

[SharonRB]

83. Hmmmm

Interesting, but I'd like to see him as SOS, as I stated earlier.

[Horse with no Name]

59. Doggett for AG

The guy is golden

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=300287&mesg_id=300880

[SharonRB]

81. Now, that makes more sense

I like the idea of Kerry/Boxer, and I can see Edwards as AG, but definitely not SOS as someone above mentioned. I'm not sure about Hillary as SOS, but I would love to see Bill -- see my earlier post about this.

And, I see Clark as Secretary of Defense.

[kerstin]

46. Would I vote for JK again in 08?

In a blue state minute.

[juajen]

47. Gee, choices are going to be just as difficult in "08 as in "04

I do genuinely love Kerry. I think he would be a terrific pres; but, I love Wesley lots too. Then you put in Hillary, and I am really conflicted. I'll just support 'em all. Gosh, I left out John Edwards. I hope he is not through with politics. It's even more difficult when you consider what great spouses they all have.

edited: for spelling

[Clark2008]

50. Hmmm

I can't see Hillary winning in 2008
I can't see John Edwards winning in 2008
I can't see Obama winning in 2008
I can't see Dean winning in 2008
I can't see Westmoreland winning in 2008
(I could see a chance of Boxer winning with a real hard push)
(I just hope it's not Hillary running against Rice)

Neither can I.

CLARK - get the politicians OUTTA politics.

Sorry for your "revelation." I shant vote for Kerry again. Hell, I only voted for him this time because he wasn't Shrub - and that took some doing since he picked milquetoast for VP.

[roseBudd]

55. I agree the only better prospects would be Redford, Hanks or Penn

Michael Moore is right. Sheeple will flock to a star. My pick would be Penn.

Before 04 people said they did not know who Kerry is. Now they do and he now has a platform and will continue to get media attention. And the Swift Boat liars are out of ammo.

[bush_is_wacko]

57. Yep, and I'm thinking Kerry and Boxer sounds like a winning ticket.

Especially when people see what the two of them can accomplish during this administration by peaceful resistance!

[Fly by night]

62. When we prove the 2004 election theft and insure against future thefts,

winning will be easy. See my post #61 above.

[Patchuli]

78. kick! nt

[Klimmer]

67. Kerry is on the job!

In this discussion some very interesting ideas. All I can say is, we will support and we will remember the heroes who fought during these hard times and when we get back into the White House, all of these heroes will have a position in our dream administration. Can you just imagine it? An administration that actually has the will and the well being of the people at heart. An open, an honest, and a truly caring administration that has the respect of the world---that tells the truth, the does the right thing always. Perhaps the planet can be saved after all.

I believe John Kerry will be our President one day. He is MY President now. I have an incredible respect for the man. I have said it before and I will say it again, how can anyone who really understands and who knows John Kerry not admire the man? He truly is Presidential:

Cares for the environment > into outdoor sports/recreation (goes hand in hand with caring for the environment) > close ties with the Kennedy family > ivy league education > volunteered for Vietnam (believed in his government and thought it was the right thing to do) > realized he was lied to, and caring about truth and the lives of his fellow soldiers fought the Nixon Admin. and became an outspoken central figure in the Anti-Vietnam movement > became a successful prosecutor > became a successful Senator > investigated and fought the Reagan/Bush admin. over Iran/Contra/CIA/drug criminal activity (called a "conspiracy theorist" yet the CIA later validates his investigation and claims) > brought down BCCI, the bank of terrorists, which angered many in government including the Bush Crime Family > runs for President > actually wins the Presidential election of 2004, but has it stolen by the Bush Crime Family and Carl Rove et al. > as an honorable statesman and gentleman concedes knowing it was stolen to avoid being called a "sore-loser"; even the Rethugs respect and say admiring things about his concession > helps, nudges, and pushes along election fraud investigations at key moments without overtly doing so to stay above the fray, maintaining his statesman like conduct > calls for and supports national election reform > supports Congressman Conyers Congressional Judiciary Special Report on election fraud in Ohio > supports the Ohio Electoral College historical challenge in written word and abides by the wishes of fellow democrats not to be there in person on Jan. 6th (the right call, it's about national election reform and not JFK) > takes an important trip to the Middle East and Europe, meeting with our soldiers forced to fight in a unjust, immoral, and corrupt war; met with many important dignitaries and gets a heroes welcome and learns first hand about the situation (something Shrub can never do) > Kerry learns the world wanted him as President > comes back from abroad and roasts the lying Dr. Condo Rice, along with Senator Boxer in Senate hearings (that are not over yet) before she takes over as SOS and then votes against her nomination > he shows incredible courage and guts and stands up to all the booing Repugs/Rethugs at the coronation of "his Fraudulency" on Jan. 20th > he is sponsoring national health care for children, national election reform, calling for the removal of Defense Secretary Rumsfeld > John Kerry is on the job!

I salute you John Kerry. I've got your back.

I am looking forward to the fight, and we have great officers and generals to fight along side with in this war. We are all needed. I'm supporting them are you?
:kick:

[SharonRB]

85. Unless things change dramatically in the next

two years, I'm right there with ya. I still believe JK has our backs and that help is still on the way. It just took a little detour in Ohio and Florida.

[BigBearJohn]

86. Thanks for writing this. It is a beautiful piece of writing. Love it.

[ClintCooper2003]

68. Those are all good points. It's going to be a tough race though, because

it will be John McCain as the Republican candidate in 2008.

[BigBearJohn]

87. I think McCain's age will work against him in 2008

[ClintCooper2003]

125. I doubt it, look at Reagan. McCain will get the nod for selling his soul

to the devil.

[jsascj]

94. What about Jebya?

I'll bet he'll be it in 2008.


And I'll bet he'll "win".

[Algorem]

82. at end of Meet the Pumpkinhead today said big Kerry interview next week

on Meet the Pumpkinhead,announced Pumpkinhead

[pacalo]

111. "Meet the Pumpkinhead"! Perfect!

[Blue_In_AK]

88. ** fears John Kerry

I believe that John Kerry is the one Democrat the neocons fear the most. Otherwise, why are they still booing him, moving to have him excommunicated, tried for treason, and all the other b******* they've come up with since the election. If they thought they had defeated him fair and square and that ** had such a huge mandate, why would they go to all this trouble? They KNOW he's really the president.

[sepia_steel]

96. I'm totally behind you.

Boxer as Vice!

Kerry is human, but I don't believe he has 'screwed up'. He is still my President. The Kerry-haters don't bother me at all.

[politicasista]

98. Convince Jesse Jackson that

He probably doesn't want Kerry to run again after his early concession.:cry:

[LittleClarkie]

109. I honor his fighting in Ohio, but in some ways Jesse can kiss my grits

I wasn't happy to hear he dissed Kerry for not showing up to a rally he was holding a mere 30 miles away, when an appearance hadn't been set up with Kerry's people and Kerry was already at a rally with Stephanie Tubbs that day.

It's too easy to put a target on a rich white guy's back and take potshots. I wish he'd aim his rant cannon at the real enemy.

[mirrera]

99. Kerry IS presidential

but, I think we need to understand how SCARED the congress and the Senate must be. Take a look at who was outspoken in the 107th and 108th congress. Take a look at who is no longer there in the 109th. Look at who got the Anthrax letters...look at the timing of when they arrived. Look at where that Anthrax came from...US government labs... this is really like the fall of the Roman Senate.

They ALL know! The real Democrats, not the moles like Zell. They all know, but if they fight it wrong they end up discredited by the media, or their plane crashes. Kerry knows way more then we do. Time will tell.

The two weak areas of Fascism are the vote, and information systems. Taking back our vote from these corporations is as much of a life threatening endeavor at this point as being a soldier.

The media is locked up except for the internet, and they monitor that, and will soon find a reason to protect us from the web.

This is like Germany in the 30s, don't let anyone say different!
A friend sent an email today with a quote that pertains to what Rumsfeld is trying to spin about the torture:

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees.": Rudolf Hess, the SS commandant at Auschwitz.

We need to wake everyone up to the glaring ommissions!

Everyone needs to see the film "Control Room" and read "Crossing the Rubicon"

Taking back the Vote is our ONLY hope. The corporate/crime families will not go easily, but if we have the ability to vote them out, and they don't go, they will be forced to show their true colors before the world. They are counting on our hypnosis.

Kerry knows...he just doesn't, or didn't know the "how". A lot of us didn't. We thought it was about the counting i.e. Florida...I just learned about the machines, and the voting companies THIS YEAR!!!

Sorry this is so disjointed, but I am at the stage where all these thoughts won't be orderly.

[BigBearJohn]

101. You are one very WISE woman. I see so much truth in your words.

I think you should start your own thread on what you just wrote.
It chills me to the bone.
Your words about the Internet are so true. The BIG BOYS know that
the INTERNET IS our tool. Once they take it away, we are FUCKED totally.

Your quote about Rudolf Hess, the SS commandant is chilling and creepy.
I am going to send it to all my friends.

I hope you start your own threat. What an amazing post.

[BigBearJohn]

102. If the Corporations take away the internet - I have another solution

I think we should all work on developing a backup collection
of BBS's across the country. Remember those? Before I ever got
onto the internet, they had Bulletin Boards that people could call
up with their modems. Some BBS's had between 10 and 30 modems.
You could call and load messages, and download messages, and some
of the more advanced ones gave you the ability to chat. It could
be a backup alternative to get us all talking and organized if the
need should arise.

[bush_is_wacko]

103. Wow! I don't know diddle about computers but a back up system would be

good! I think we need to get our local groups together and make sure at least a few of them have other National contacts. Let me know how to come up with the system you suggest. I don't know crap, but my husband is in networking and he has a few other friend's that are too. they could figure out something for me I hope!

[mirrera]

104. Thank you

For saying I should start a thread, but my threads sink like stones. I have never heard about the BBS thing. God I wish I had gotten geeky earlier! I started on computers in 98 and I am a MAC head but my knowledge is very recent. I will have to google that. That is exactly the kind of thing we are going to need. It really is that serious. Read Crossing the Rubicon, it is not me that is wise...You know when you read something, and it strikes you as that true your hair shifts? I got truly scared reading this book, put it down, and then realized scared is what we need to be, and I picked it up again. I am still reading it.

[Quakerfriend]

106. Mirrera, you said it all up above!

Once you know this stuff it is very hard to stop thinking about it.

I felt that way after reading "Worse than Watergate" and "The Price of Loyalty"

[mirrera]

108. Price of Loyalty is on my reading list

After Powerdown...ignorance is bliss but bliss is so boring...

[glitch]

112. You turn a neat phrase - I enjoyed your post above as well.

"ignorance is bliss but bliss is so boring..." very true words.

[BigBearJohn]

118. a little humor

[merh]

126. A belated welcome to DU!

:hi:

Thank you for this post. It is true that we have no idea what our dems know and/or are doing. We are on the outskirts of it and we see the danger to our nation that the BFEE has created and continually presents. Imagine what they know and how frustrated they are.

Folks forgot that one of John Kerry's closest friends was the moderate repug, John Heinz. Heinz worked with him on the BCCI, despite his party's leaders trying to discourage the investigation. Heinz was seen as the moderate who was the peace maker, willing to vote against the party in the interests of the nation. Heinz was killed in a plane crash. Hmmm, seems BFEE likes plane crashes.

Kerry knows so much more than we do.

[kerrygoddess]

107. The Shadow President

While others in his shoes have retreated from the public eye, John Kerry still has a job to do in the Senate. He could shrink back from the fray and work quietly for a time until the heat dies down from what has been perhaps the most divisive election in history, but John Kerry has decided to leap into the fire and take a stand.

In a story in tomorrow’s N.Y. Times, Sheryl Gay Stolberg suggests that Kerry is setting “himself up as a kind of shadow president, a leader to the nearly 58 million Americans who voted for him.” I have heard this echoed around the internet for the past few weeks by the loyal Kerry supporters who believe that Kerry will rise above the fray and take hold of the Democratic Party in this fight against the Bush administration.

Who better to lead the way? A few names have been bantered about, but Kerry has the vehicle already set in motion. With his position in the Senate and 2.7 million subscribers to johnkerry.com, there is no telling what Kerry could do with the infrastructure already set in place. It is common sense that he will have more advantage than others will in the Party at this point and we have already seen that his email list has been producing results each time he sends an email to supporters.

John Giesser, the Democratic strategist Kerry hired to create his new PAC says, “He wants to give voice to the millions who want to be involved in the grassroots, who care deeply about the country, who know we can do better.” The new PAC will be used to raise money to promote Democratic causes, issues, and candidates. On Monday, Kerry will introduce a bill to expand government health-care benefits to cover all children.

We will continue to keep our eye on what our Shadow President is doing and we expect great things from him in the future. We will also be keeping a close watch on other Democratic leaders who have shown their stuff in recent weeks.

It is imperative that we all work together to make a difference. It is time for the unity to begin and the divisiveness within the Party to cease. We do not all have to agree on every little thing, but we do need to step up to the plate and support those who have the power to make things happen. John Kerry has that power. He showed his grace under pressure on Thursday. We could all take a lesson from his refusal to disappear behind the scenes.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=255

[pacalo]

113. Thank you for this!

I subscribe to the NYTimes online, but Stolberg's article wasn't included, so I appreciate your posting this. :)

[Vektor]

114. Well put...

...and agreed.

[noel711]

115. Since th '60's,

I've been disaffected, removed from politics. It had become a joke.
Until John Kerry. I felt a connection with him (maybe a generational thing, we'd been thru many smiliar things). I love John Kerry as a person and a politician with a real grasp on reality. Lordy, I know he has issues, he's not perfect, but he has IT. Yes, I'd vote for him again. But remember folks, true leadership isn't about winning, it's about influence, it's about speaking out about important issues, it's about being visible for justice, peace and the forgotten ones.

I hesitate about putting out a celebrity for office; they are usually "straw men," like Bush, with nothing upstairs, and a puppet whose strings are pulled by corporate interests. And please don't point to Ahnold... he's a loose cannon. Unless you're talking about Martin Sheen. Probably because I had a serious crush on him, but I could see him in the oval office... probably because he auditions for the part every Wednesday evening. Although, frankly, the show has tanked because the original creator has left.

[Vektor]

119. I feel exactly the same...

And Kerry is what inspired me to take an interest in politics, and to get involved too. He indeed has "IT"!!

:-)

[Im with Rosey]

116. I don't think it will take 4 years

I have actually decided to think in terms of * digging his own grave, my Pres. Kerry throwing on the dirt at EVERY opportunity. I think it is just a matter of time before the horrendous truth of * starts being exposed, with Kerry right there doing the right thing. I also think the jury is out as to who puts up the most resistance to * through all this, whoever fights the hardest gets my approval for running mate. Boxer clearly has taken up the fight, I'm so proud that she is my Sen., but I think her actions might embolden other dems to start doing what we challenge them to do. I just hope NOTHING gets past them without a fight.:evilgrin:

[BigBearJohn]

117. Funny you should say that -- I was thinking the same thing.

[demo dutch]

120. I like Kerry, I hope he runs a better campaign though!

[LittleClarkie]

121. No Shrum no Cahill and no holding the candidate back when his gut says go!

To bad he couldn't hire his gut.

Or how about the same crew who's helped him win his Senate seat again and again.

I guess we can't have Carville, since he'll for sure be working for Hillary.

[StephanieMarie]

123. We need a governor, not a senator.

Senators have too much baggage. History favors governors.

[count_alucard]

124. John Kerry is as big a fraud as the Diebold machines

but I see that he can still fool many.

Howard Dean will be destroyed by the media again and Jeb or Giuliani or McCain will be president in 2008.

[New Earth]

128. you forgot coward

Kerry's a coward too, isn't he? :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[saracat]

131. Perhaps this little visit will end soon?

[NationalEnquirer]

127. I would simply prefer someone else.

I dont know whom, but look at Clinton, came out of nowhere really.
Lets face it thought, I don't think there is ONE DUer out there who would NOT support Kerry if he were the Party's nominee in 2008, who the heck are we kidding...

[earth mom]

129. Kerry is starting to win me over again too. eom

[saracat]

132. Beautiful post!

I agree. I think the Kerry naysayers are going to be surprised!