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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:47 PM
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fishy 2004 election results in Baltimore, MD
I pressed the touchscreen 5 times for Kerry and GWB lit up each time and on the 6th time the box next to Kerry lit up and stayed lit. My sister who was a pollworker says that it did not count because it was an overvote. I believe that my vote either counted for Bush or was counted as an overvote and did not count. Well here are the fishy numbers for Baltimore City.

Martin O'Malley (Dem) for Mayor 87.74% of popular vote
Barbara Mikulski (Dem) for Senate 86.51% of popular vote
John F. Kerry (Dem) for prez 82.23% of popular vote

George W. Bush (Rep) for prez 16.81% of the votes in Baltimore City
with 33,736 votes in Baltimore City

How did the other Republican challengers do:
Henderson (Rep challenger) for mayor 12.26% of vote
Pipkin (Rep challenger) for Senate 11.74% of vote

Now we have all seen how fanatical the Republicans can be, remember
the convention. Now Why, oh why didn't the same people who voted for
Bush vote for the other Republicans, because it was padded and some of those people were ghost votes.

I got these numbers from the Baltimore sun website.

http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/general/by_county/pres/MD.html?SITE=MDBAEELN&SECTION=POLITICS
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:04 PM
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1. I've documented touchscreen fraud in 15 states, I'll look into Maryland
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 01:08 PM by berniew1
http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

Did you report your case to the election protection hotline??
If not why not??
You might could still do so.

The number I had was 866-OurVote



you could check out the irregularities reported in your state at
www.voteprotect.org

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:11 PM
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2. Thank you
I appreciate it, because I voted in a predominantly minority precinct, I feel that it's essential that all Americans get the right to vote back.
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Angelique Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:09 AM
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8. Not that unusual in the black community this time around..
Baltimore, is basically an ultra liberal community, and there was a soft support for Kerry in my neighborhood and family in Chicago. My mother, a woman that marched with J Jackson - PUSH organization throughout my youth, couldn't stand Kerry..

No matter what I said, she just waved me off. I noticed that a few, not all you understand, of her girlfriends, voted for some 3rd party, and my own husband (who is a rightwing wackjob)tells me his friends are mixed about our own party lately, with some actually voting for chimp..YUCK! Go figure
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:31 PM
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3. I believe there cannot be an overvote on a touchscreen
because of the way they are programmed (this is supposed to be one of their selling points).
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ottozen Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:05 PM
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4. I wonder
if the machine might have given Bush 5 votes?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:10 PM
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5. What a good idea!
You know, in all this time, no one has ever suggested that! So in reality, I voted 5x for Bush and 1x for Kerry, no wonder there were complaints in Maryland that the votes outmatching registration numbers in some areas.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:34 AM
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7. This has been my "hunch" all along.
I don't think the machine(s) were deleting the default votes for Bush, after the voter finally got it to light for Kerry. I think that's how he gained a lot of votes and also how we ended up with "more votes than voters" all over the place.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:19 AM
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6. I looked at the EIRS data for Maryland some; no TS fraud reported but wide
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 12:23 AM by berniew1
spread suppression of minority voters and polling place irregularities in Baltimore, etc.
http://www.flcv.com/maryland.html

I've also added 3 more states with documented dirty tricks and suppression to reduce minority vote
Alabama, Tennessee, Wisconsin

http://www.flcv.com/birmingh.html
http://www.flcv.com/tennesse.html
http://www.flcv.com/wiscondt.html

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:17 AM
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9. Certainly this would be a good way for Bush to pad his vote count when we
wouldn't normally suspect looking for fraud in places where Kerry won big.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:44 PM
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10. If you want to investigate further, get precinct results
You'll be able to see a lot more. If you need help knowing what to do with those results, PM me.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:34 PM
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11. Interesting results.
It's so interesting because we see once again the same pattern of the presidential candidate for D and R inconsistent with major down ballot votes - Kerry gets less, Bush gets more. Across jurisdictions, across states.

More on Maryland...

TrueVote MD, a campaign for verifiable voting http://truevotemd.org

Computer Weekly.com
Wednesday 24 November 2004
Reported US e-vote problems tip of iceberg

http://www.computerweekly.com/print/ArticlePrinterPage.asp?liArtID=135323&liFlavourID=1

Poll observers in just 6% of Maryland voting districts recorded a total of 201 problems with electronic voting machines during the US presidential election, according to a report released yesterday by TrueVoteMD.

Poll watchers trained by the voting integrity activist group reported 42 cases of crashed e-voting machines, 37 cases of access card or encoder problems, and 30 screen malfunctions. More than 400 TrueVoteMD poll watchers observed the elections at 108 of the state's 1,787 voting districts.

Linda Schade, co-founder of TrueVoteMD, said poll watchers had seen problems that were "easily observable" rather than problems that might have happened inside the e-voting machines. She said that while the problems observed in the districts where the poll watchers were stationed might not be typical of all districts, they were probably a "small fraction" of the actual problems experienced with e-voting machines in Maryland.

"One of our greatest resources is the widespread common sense of Maryland voters, and also their passion to defend our democracy from a clear threat: non-transparent elections, unverifiable elections using error-prone secret software with gaping security holes and with a history of election failures," Schade said. "They are in complete agreement about one thing - that blind faith has no place in the voting booth."


MORE
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:25 PM
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12. more data from Baltimore
Take a look at voter turnout in Baltimore City, MD, myth breaker:

166,758 democrats voted on election day in Baltimore City, 1,866 provisional votes were cast by Dems and there were 7,796 absentee votes by Dems which is 71.41 of all registered Dems (247,035)

17,442 Republicans voted on election day in Baltimore City, 203 provisional votes cast by Republicans and 1,385 absentee votes for a total of 19,030 votes by Republicans, this is only 64.78 percent of the total of ALL REPUBLICANS registered to vote in Baltimore City
(29,375 total Republicans in Baltimore City, I am no math whiz but it looks to me that almost 1/3 of the Republican did not vote in Baltimore City on Nov. 2, 2004.)

The percentage of turnout for Republicans was LOWER than the Democrats, now even if every SINGLE Republican voted for Bush,
he would have still needed 14,706 votes from Democrats to get the
total he had. George W. Bush (Rep) for prez 16.81% of the votes in Baltimore City with 33,736 votes in Baltimore City






http://www.elections.state.md.us/SBE_Election/turnout/turnout2.html
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 06:22 PM
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13. more Baltimore results
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 06:25 PM by MissWaverly
data is from the Baltimore County election summary

in Baltimore county (Diebold machines), it gets more interesting.
Bush 166,051 (46.98%) with 1,089 blank votes for prez
Kerry 182,474 (51.62%)
Mikulski (dem senator) 217,688 (62.72%)
C.J. Pipkin (rep challenger for sen) 124,092 (35.75%)
blank votes for senate race 7,498
US congress (2)
C.A. Ruppersberger (Dem) 96,723 (65.77%)
Jane Brooks (Rep) 46,236 (31.44%)
with blank votes of 7,447
Now you see that Bush consistently receives a higher percentage of the votes than the Republican challengers and in Baltimore County,
not only are candidates not riding Bush's coattails, people are only voting republican at the top of the ticket and not bothering to vote at all further down on the ballot!

I have the pdf file summary from the Baltimore County Board of Elections if any number crunchers would like it.
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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:29 PM
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14. keep pushing bush, and he gets all those votes!!
My thoughts too, for all those who had to keep pushing the Kerry button and getting bush, that all those votes would go to bush. Maybe that partially explains more votes than voters?

My own mother in clearwater, FL called me cuz she pushed Kerry five times and got bush. a poll worker helped her and got bush twice. THEN she recalibrated the machine! I told her to call the news, and she was on the five oclock news.
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KerryReallyWon Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:37 PM
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15. It was also documented b y the attorney I was working with at my poll plac
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 07:53 PM
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16. thanks for the update
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 08:07 PM by MissWaverly
Considering the tendency of this administration to say, it wasn't our fault, it was the other guy. I think that a lot of these votes came from dems voting 1 for Kerry and 5 for Bush, so that if this was caught it would be blamed on somebody like your mother or me, (I waited 2 hours to vote by the way!) I hope all this comes out so that this never happens again!

The site for the Baltimore county statistics is:

http://resources.co.ba.md.us/Documents/Elections/results_041205_final.pdf
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