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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:06 PM Original message |
Paper Trail will Perpetuate E-Voting Manipulation |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Using paper and pen in the first place and counting those |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ain't goin' to Happen |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Using Paper Ballots is cheaper than using computers. |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. you may like the hand count solution better |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. yes I have to agree |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. How are checking paper receipts more difficult than hand counting paper? |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 08:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm Not talking about paper Ballots- Those are in the Past |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 09:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It's possible to have paper receipts and examine the machines you know |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Identify ONE Electronic Voting Machine in the U.S. which was examined |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 09:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. but why does promoting paper receipts prohibit that? |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I am glad there is no paper reciept in Florida. |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. this really is a lost cause |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Im not fighting... |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. This isn't meant to in-fight |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I agree with much of that |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I'm not advocating no paper receipts |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. in some states, legislatures are a huge obstacle |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Not sure, but Paper Trail may be part of HAVA |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. no, it's not part of HAVA n/t |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Read Andy's Post |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Just happen to have a pdf handy on this question |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Andy, Could you explain this a bit more |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Read my sig line. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. JYD, no need to growl. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 08:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. So if we can't get paper ballots, then what should we be asking for as far |
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brindis_desala (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. Not True if the Democrats are united paper ballots are a given |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. Paper Trails and Paper Reciepts.... |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 10:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. What is the difference? |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The 19th century... |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 11:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. true |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. Kill the machines |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. P aper B allots H and C ounted........... n/t |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-28-05 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
19. kick |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
22. use computer to print, human to count |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
23. yes, but there is a solution |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 06:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Remember the problem isn't the paper ballot: IT'S THE AUDITING!!! |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Amen Brother |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. No, kill the machines |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Canada counts 2 elections by hand... |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Hand counting can be done |
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harmonyguy (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Not to be picky or anything, but.... |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
25. They don't call it VV (verified voting) for nothing nt |
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torque (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
36. Don't forget who owns this country |
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rhite5 (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
39. Believing the Electronic Machines are here to stay = giving up. Period! |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 09:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Yes |
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qwghlmian (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 09:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Good - except for one thing |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Lesser evil |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Re: your subject line |
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JunkYardDogg (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. It's Reality vs. OUR Ideal Vision (Goal) |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. Kick n/t |
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