Are election-fraud activists being psy-oped by this administration?

[CoffeeCat]

I'm sorry if this point has been discussed before, but I am curious about this.

In another thread, many are discussing the newly released Gitmo prisoners who are now revealing that they were tortured. Someone suggested that our govt purposely released them, when they didn't have to--so their stories of torture would be disseminated and would serve to intimidate and silence the general population. In effect, if everyone knows they're torturing at Gitmo--it has a chilling effect on the population as a whole.

I'm really wondering if this administration doesn't engage in a whole lot of this psy-op stuff.

Specifically, I've remained mystified by our own government's obsession with and strong participation in Ukraine. Our government couldn't talk enough about the election fraud in Ukraine! Powell visited there and our govt gave lots of money to fund those who were protesting the fraud! Powell said that the exit polls in Ukraine were proof that the election was fixed.

That's so screwed up, because in Powell's own backyard the exit polls were wrong--but totally ignored--then hidden! Are they playing with us, and engaging in crazymaking--to burn us out on the issue?

This seems all too coincidental to me. It reminds me of the dynamics of abusers who abuse in subtle ways, but deny their abuse. This confuses and dhumanizes people into submission. Powell's hypocrisy is so glaring. However, any wrongdoing is easily explained away, "We love democracy and had to help our friends in the Ukraine obtain justice...are you saying we were wrong for helping people get free elections?"

After all--what better way to shut up or nullify a few thousand who suspect U.S election fraud--than to leverage someone else's election-fraud into a major issue. Because BushCo validated the Ukraine fraud and funded their movement--their fraud appeared strong and valid--which, in effect--dwarfed the US fraud concerns down to the rantings of a few sore losers.

Also, Powell, Cheney and Bush made pointed comments about the horrible Ukraine election fraud. BushCo defined themselves, through Ukraine's election, as proponents of free elections and democracy. Seems like tried to mark their territory on the issue before someone marked them.

Undoubtedly, many elections have been fixed in other countries. The U.S. never intervened, as they did in the Ukraine.

You have to ask "why?"

[LibertyorDeath]

1. I like the way you think and yes they are engaging in

psy-opes they have the MSM onboard so that's one major psy-ope right there. That "someone" in the other thread is very perceptive to figure this out.

"the newly released Gitmo prisoners who are now revealing that they were tortured. Someone suggested that our govt purposely released them, when they didn't have to--so their stories of torture would be disseminated and would serve to intimidate and silence the general population. In effect, if everyone knows they're torturing at Gitmo--it has a chilling effect on the population as a whole."

[EFerrari]

2. I think you make a good point

If they can ratchet up the cognitive dissonance, people may tend to choose the less painful option, going with the MSM.

Who wants to feel that nuts or be seen as "out of the mainstream". These guys are playing for keeps imo.

[Old Mouse]

3. It is extremely likely psyops are being done against Bush enemies

But I do not think the release of information on torture is to silence dissent, although it is effective in that measure.

I think it's part of a longer, broader campaign to make the concept of torture, the single greatest tool against freedom, morally acceptable to the American public.

[necso]

4. It would not surprise me if there were

psy-ops aimed at covering up "election-related irregularities" (vote suppression, vote tampering, vote count tampering -- and perhaps "crimes" is a better word than "irregularities"). In fact, I expect that there are (and have been).

But you have to ask yourself, what forms would these psy-ops take? Certainly, these psy-ops would look to discredit the whole idea, preempt and otherwise defeat investigation of these "irregularities", keep these investigations from uncovering the various whats, hows, whos and whens, and discredit those who investigate or who take up the "findings" of the investigations. But one cannot rule out a serious effort to direct the investigations into areas that will prove to be unproductive (or unconvincing). -- Misdirection is a most powerful psy-war technique and it is particularly useful when you can't just make the "problem" go away.

Personally, I would like to know if Daschle's loss was on the up-and-up. We sure could have used that Senate seat.

[Hekate]

5. I thought Bush on the Ukraine vote was brilliant

He positioned himself immediately as the man in favor of honest elections and transparent process -- and none of our top Democrats spoke out for what seemed like an eternity! (Made me want to grab John Kerry by his lapels and shake him.) Members of the Congressional Black Caucus spoke up and said what was on my mind: that if honest elections are good enough for the Ukrainians they ought to be good enough for Americans.

Anyway, Bush speaking out so quickly reminded me of what Bill Clinton said about seeing him speak for the first time: Clinton decided right then that whatever else he is, Bush is a very talented politician.

As for psyops, I guess I don't think of it quite in those terms. I have, however, noticed the way everything I care about has been marginalized and diminished, and I've noticed the way the neocon mouthpieces attempt to portray those who believe as I do as conspiracy nuts etc.

Hekate

[hootinholler]

6. Is the Pope Polish?

Make no mistake, the corporatistas are very skilled at psy-ops (which is the new age term for propaganda). They are also skilled in the ways cults manage thier followers, perhaps taking a few pages from moonie.

-Hoot

[electropop]

8. Rev Moon is buddies with many Repukes

and especially with Grover Norquist, de facto Minister of Propaganda. See David Brock's "Blinded By The Right."

[hootinholler]

9. Hell, he was coronated God in the Dobson building.

I couldn't believe that didn't make the national news!

Again, I learned about it here.

-Hoot

[electropop]

10. I did hear about that on Air America.

Sadly, I think a couple of Dems showed up too. How insane can they get?

[Fly by night]

7. "A few thousand" -- they should be so lucky

Your quote " ... what better way to shut up or nullify a few thousand who suspect U.S election fraud ..." suggests that you're not paying close attention to the rapidly growing belief that the election was stolen among the American people. Right after the election, 20% of Americans believed the election was stolen. Several weeks ago, an Annenberg survey indicated that this number was up to 30% -- a 50% increase in two months that occurred in spite of the silence and/or dismissive attitude of the corporate media.

More and more Americans are becoming aware of the evidence for the election theft every day and the empty stands at the inaugural and the smirking chimp's daily insane policy announcements that have no support among the American people and scant support in his own party also reflect that we have someone running the country who was not chosen by the people. The only psy-ops that might be effective is if "we" convince ourselves that there is only a small group who understands and accepts the facts of the election theft and if we keep talking only to ourselves. Get up from the computer, get out in the real world, look around at the number of people who share our views or would if we took the time to explain the facts to them and then get moving with them to take our country back.

A few thousand? Try 80 to 100 million -- for starters.

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights. There's a hell of a lot more of us than "we" think, and that's all good if we keep that number growing and moving in the same direction -- toward an overthrow of the simian coup. We're not the planet of the apes -- it just looks that way in the White House. But we can return all the monkeys to the zoo if we don't accept any defeatist attitudes, most especially when they come from within our own midst. Unfortunately, it takes more bravery to talk to our neighbors and friends -- let alone strangers -- than it does to type at each other on sympathetic forums. THIS revolution will take more than blog soldiers, but they (we) are a good recruitment station. So after I start a thread on this topic, I will model the correct behavior I am recommending by getting off my ass and carrying the "election theft" message outside my cabin where there is very fertile ground everywhere to allow it to grow. Try it -- you'll like it. We've planted the seeds here in the Orange State and we haven't stopped planting yet. It's still early in this revolution and we aren't at a point where we need to fear fear itself. What I fear most is self-imposed inertia built on fatalism.

Those who are infected with this faint heart disease can go to the rear and cut bait, or they can hide and watch. The rest of us have work to do, and we need room around us for more new, brave, aware, angry recruits. So if "we're" waiting on me before "we" enter this fight with both fists, a focused mind and mouth and an angry heart, "we're" backing up.

[FloridaCrat]

11. 80 to 100 Million of US. Cool.

Your words had a huge effect on me today . Thank you. I quoted you liberally, in my letter to the Miami Herald and Dianne Rheem, asking them to cover the story: Prominent Statisticians debunk Mitofsky. again.

and again.

we aren't going away.

never giving up.

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

[New Earth]

12. sort of

i've had similar thoughts about this. i think the whole situation in Ukraine was used by * Admin and the media to get the sleeping sheep of the rest of the country to see that since there were problems highlighted over there, we didn't have any here. It was another digusting reverse psychology kind of maneuver (like saying 'voter fraud' instead of election fraud).

It was more like them saying "hey look, Ukraine had problems with their election, so let's show the country how concerned we are, and we aren't going to tolerate election fraud......" to make it seem that there was no fraud here in the U.S.
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[Peace Patriot]

13. They have psy-opped YOU!

"...what better way to shut up or nullify a few thousand who suspect U.S election fraud..." --TwoSparkles

a few thousand?

[McCamy Taylor]

14. More likely Powel went "Rogue" was pointing at Ukraine exit polls

because it was the closest he could get to pointing at the exit polls at home. He was already preparing to leave. Karl Rove must have been livid. The last thing he wanted was exit poll/vote tally discrepancy and "do-overs" in the press. He must have been scared shitless.

NOte that the later news coverage of Ukraine stopped mentioning the exit polls. MSM knows which side its bread is buttered on--or at least it did. They held onto those exit polls as if their lives depended upon it, and then, a few days after the coronation, Powell's son left the FCC and the administration announced that the MSM would not get their relaxation of federal media ownership rules after all. Which means that they might as well have let Kerry win the way the voters intended.

[marions ghost]

15. media squelch

look how well "conspiracy theorists" sold?
when I saw Nightline/Ted Koppel on Jan 19 open their show with that term, a show billed as "the case for a stolen election," I knew the guillotine was in full swing. The sins of omission on that show were as bad as what they did say. Easy to put anyone who questions the election in an invisible pen, when you have control of the media. Even intelligent people will participate in the marginalization of a group when "trusted" media spokespeople present only one perspective. :mad:

echo chamber:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Echo_chamber

[Zan_of_Texas]

16. I think they are just blatantly inconsistent.

They called for recount after recount in the WA governor's race, but called the Ohio recounters name after name in the Senate "debate" on January 6th.

It's like calling the Democrats big deficit spenders, and then going on a deficit-spending rampage the likes of which have never been seen before. Standard Republican Operating Procedure. Inconsistency is not in their lexicon.

I think the left has been fooled by the whole Ukraine biz. I think the US CIA etc. goes into a place like that and does all kinds of undercover shenanigans, like it always does with a state that has geopolitical strategic location or assets. The US government wanted the loser, so made a fuss. Why I should cheer for the candidate wanted by the CIA I don't know.

In places like Ukraine, the Big Boys like Russia, US, and even China on occasion slug it out, but undercover (like Afghanistan previously). They call 'em proxy wars -- the Big Boys don't have the battles on their own turf, the inflict them on the people of the afflicted nation.