"Long Waits, Bad Equipment Worse than Election Fraud" - WI Poll watcher...

[meganmonkey]

Here's a pretty good article about what really happened in Wisconsin re: the supposed 10,000 fraudulent voters in Milwaukee

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0130-02.htm

One has to admire the Republican success in promoting a nonexistent issue to the news media. But the media really should spend more time covering the real election problems instead of fraudulent Republican claims.

This happens to be a subject on which I have some direct knowledge. On Nov. 2, I was an Election Day observer for the nonpartisan Election Protection Coalition.

--snip--

Do you remember that all-nighter pulled at City Hall to process voter registrations? When Mayor Tom Barrett found out the City Election Commission was desperately behind in processing registrations the day before the election, the mayor, members of his family and city employees worked all night to process registrations.

Well, I hate to break it to the mayor and everyone else who worked so hard, but most of their work was ignored, at least at Palmer Street.

--snip---

[New Earth]

1. once again

it's all the voters' fault. :eyes:

sorry, NOT FOOLED!

[papau]

2. Sadr City had "long waits" - "too lfew polling areas" - GOP election rules

:-)

[Zan_of_Texas]

3. The issue of registrations making it to official poll books is valid.

A study in Cleveland showed 1 in 20 registrations did NOT make it.

DESCRIPTION OF THE CLEVELAND STUDY ON REGISTRATION ERRORS

http://www.caseohio.org/CaseOhio/Registration_Problems_Study.htm

(note- apparently the study was completed after the registration deadline of October 4, 2004, but before the November 2 election)

A new study projects that 10,000 votes may be compromised in Cuyahoga County, Ohio and some 35,000 votes statewide because of clerical and voter errors.....

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However, do not let anyone lure you into a fake fight on whether the registration/voting machine allocation/voter suppression/voter intimidation stuff is worse or better than electronic fraud.

IF EITHER ONE HAPPENS TO YOU, OR ANYONE, YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE IS COMPROMISED. For democracy to work, EVERYONE's VOTE has to be protected from outright thuggishness, from junk voting machines that don't work, and from secret electronic piracy of votes.

[meganmonkey]

4. I don't think that's what they meant...I had to read it twice

I think they meant the "fraud" supposedly perpetrated by the voters who were trying to register/vote illegally, as accused by the Repukes in WI, NOT as a comparison to the bigger issue of election fraud we discuss here.

[marions ghost]

5. having TROUBLE with the way this article opens....

delete

[meganmonkey]

6. He is talking specifically about the WI situation

where Republicans have been making charges of fraud by democratic voters who were not registered. It has been making big news. Here are three recent related threads...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=308949

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=306177

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=307739

He is NOT referring to the bigger issue of fraud with the voting machines etc... This article is limited to one specific charge of fraud made by Repugs against Dems in Wisconsin.

[marions ghost]

7. Right, I get the point...

OK after reading your posts meganmonkey I SEE that if you are talking about "VOTER FRAUD"--then it makes sense from the liberal perspective.

Is this a case of a bad misappropriation of these terms, as Faye has so diligently been reminding us of the dangers of?? If so, it is VERY misleading and I want to call the writer on it. He clearly says "VOTE FRAUD" not "VOTER FRAUD."

But you see how confusing it is, if you interpret it as the "wider"
meaning of the term vote fraud. Not knowing the local background can be a problem...

[meganmonkey]

8. Yup - I agree that it should be Election Fraud no matter what

unfortunately, not all writers read DU to see our logic and decisions. They should though! :)

[marions ghost]

10. yeah I guess

for MOST people "vote fraud" and "voter fraud" -- BOTH mean the voter was the cheater.

I will try to drum that into my brain...

[New Earth]

9. this is one of the situations i was talking about.

this case IS voter fraud - well, if it's true. but see, what they do is keep using the term 'voter fraud' (or 'vote fraud) over and over and over so that people end up (even unintentionally) using 'voter fraud' as the broad general term.

it's a fucking mind game, for real, and i'm here to fight them on it :D

[marions ghost]

11. yes I swear, after this major misinterpretation

...I will never use "vote fraud" again, ever
ONLY "election fraud"
and "voter fraud" for ONLY if the voter does it
Yeah...I finally get it:think:

[Wilms]

12. Thanks for the post.

I've been trying to learn more about WI.

This freshens my perspective.